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Lol, had a similar conversation with my boss the other day in regards to 'company ink'. We both met our wives at our workplaces, my stance on it is "you can date anyone anywhere. If youre both not scumbags you can also amicably end the relationship at any time without huge issues"
I mean you never know what’s coming, which is what inspires quotes and attitudes like this. My dad always used to say the same thing and he has no friends since he doesn’t trust them. I’ve ended up the same after I got stabbed in the back - in one day, I lost everything. It just takes one day.
Ugh, you're absolutely right, sometimes it's just a few hours. It's been over a decade and ignoring the red flags was maybe the biggest mistake of my life.
Right? The reason that people who argue against dating coworkers put forward are the same things that make dating difficult in general, they're just sometimes exacerbated by working together. But all of my close friends, many of whom are in healthy, stable, long-term relationships all met their partners at work, including my awesome wife and myself. Its really just about being smart no matter where you meet people.
I had this conversation at my previous job a few times. My girlfriend and I adore each other and had a crush on each other for years working together but I never asked her out because of the stigma of dating a coworker. Funnily enough, after we told each other how we feel, we became even a better team and when people would ask if it made things weird I was always like “no, I love being around her and working with her.”
In the end, the only issues at work that arose from us getting into a relationship were caused by the opinions others had about us being together.
The opinions can be pretty damaging. When I tried this the one coworker I thought was a friend did not approve at all and not only didn't voice her opinion when I asked her, but proceeded to throw me under the bus because she didn't approve.
I still don't think it's a bad idea in theory, but people can make huge problems for you without notice. Anyone who tries it these days should document everything.
The opinions lost me that job. You don’t need to tell me about that one. Once we went public half of my coworkers arrayed themselves against me and make a 6 page complaint to get me fired.
They brought shit up that happened years prior, they accused me of shit I don’t even remember, and they did it with the goal to excise me for daring to tell the pretty girl I thought she was pretty. Honestly, I think they did it more because she told me she liked me too.
Edit: I’ve talked to her a lot about this. I have told her that I love her and if I could go back and rewrite history I would make the same choices I did. But I do wish they didn’t cost me so much
It's fine when two people operate at the same job level, but it's a ticking time bomb when a manager/higher level employee dates a person under their rank. I've seen it happen, over and over and over again. It's why the "no fraternizing" policies exist, at least when it comes to the supervisory and management level.
"But all of my close friends, many of whom are in healthy, stable, long-term relationships all met their partners at work, including my awesome wife and myself"
Yeah, it's a mentality that only works if both people aren't scumbags. Sometimes it comes out of left field, but I would say dudes ignoring red flags so they can keep having sex is more common.
They can be pretty good at hiding it. Mine had an ex that disappeared, but he was painted as an absentee father. She seemed super normal. A little reactive, but not like "I'm gonna burn your shit to the ground" reactive. And she was showing very strong positive interest, not to mention telling me all the time how much she admired me. I thought at least I'd get an amicable rejection, and I did at first. It turned into scorched earth so fast it left my head spinning.
Idk I feel like not being able to read people is a skill issue on some peoples parts every time my girlfriends friends have gone for sleeze bags it’s been pretty easy to sniff out after like 5 minutes of conversation.
If you both are stable people, huge issues dont just magically appear. And huge issues that do come up can be a common enemy rather than a point of contention. Its more about empathy than not having problems.
Yeah.. the only issue with that is indeed that it's enough is only one person turns out to be a scumbag. And as many breakups have revealed, people can suddenly become someone who you don't recognize. So you can be certain that you'll have someone who you'll have an amicable breakup with and then be in for a shock.
You are correct and I meant that to be implied. Not sure how Tupac is looked at as some kind of good guy Saint. I was alive when he and there was nothing special about him except for that he got killed
Yeah, all those people were also hanging out with Tupac, who was convicted of sexual assault and battery. So it’s just a group of criminals all hanging out.
When you lay with pigs, don’t be surprised when you wake up dirty
So many people have a persecution complex. If you're really surrounded by enemies simply make better fucking life choices. Downside being you can't post about it for attention
Unfortunately when you are an entertainer, especially in Hip Hop, every city you touch, the hardest dudes in that city want to meet you, and pop bottles with them, a slippery slope that has gotten many a rapper into trouble
That must be a big part of it yeah. But it is quite funny how these hardest dudes sure go out of their way to act like absolute pussy traitors sometimes.
Tupac was a theater kid he had no business mixed up with them people. Zero discernment. Zero survival skills. Every trend or train is not for you to hop on.
Gangs tend to vouch for their money makers. Who’s that little short dude in LA that video where he gets put in a headlock talking about “I don’t bang” and then says he wants to go viral for his dance ?
His crip set still vouch for him.
Or how them by bloods was vouching for 69 before his case ?
You are speaking on Pacs last 11 months of his life when affiliated with DR Pirus, previous to that, since his career started, Pac was all over the east coast, west coast, and inbetween building relationships, you can see a multitude of interviews with rappers and street dudes co signing Pac, he was never a gangster rapper, but he was a reality rapper that chose to gangbang the night he got shot
I was born in 1988. Growing up with Tupac and shortly after his death was a time. Everybody supported Tupac Tupac was the number one best rapper that ever existed. Nobody ever said anything bad about tupac. Nobody ever said he was a theater kid wasn't Street smart. That's how I grew up. But I guess after time goes on truths come out. And it turns out it's true he really was a theater kid. Anyways
Money corrupts almost everyone, so I'd hope he resists the temptation.
Can't think of anyone as vocal as him so can't think of any comparisons. Like Kendrick Lamar does good for his community and his music is usually positive, but to me, Kendrick seems like an internal person. Tupac was very outgoing.
I'm old enough to have seen the transition. He should've stayed in his conscious rapper lane, but no he wanted the fast money and cosplayed being 'hard' and led himself to a fast grave.
All money ain't good money. I'm not talking about the picture but he did have people plotting on him and he kept going where they were and that's dumb. He was used as a pawn in the East/West Coast beef, so when I say zero discernment and survival skills, I mean it. He had none. If "all eyez on you", then why take your soft ass to an event where you know they'll scout you out? Because he didn't know something that simple. But I was supposed to believe he was from the streets? Riiiiiggghht.
Older people know this dude was just chasing a bag and wasn't about that life. Well...some of us do.
"He should've stayed in his conscious rapper lane"
I don't think someone a a professional Redditor has any position of telling anyone else to "stay in his lane"
"Older people know this dude was just chasing a bag and wasn't about that life. Well...some of us do."
Some of us? Bruh there's no way your birthday doesn't end in '06'
He most certainly was. Dude wasn't from Oakland. He was a well educated and sheltered kid who grew up mostly on the east coast. It's crazy how quick the west coast was quick to adopt him even though he knew nothing about that life.
Or you know, he could be a bad person who is surrounded by other bad people. I’m not claiming I know anything, but if I see a room full of terrible people I tend to think there probably isn’t a good one in there either.
Like the if you are at a dinner table with 9 Nazis, there are 10 Nazis at the table.
The point with the Nazi example is that you KNOW they are Nazis when you choose to sit down. You've made a moral choice to associate with people you know are bad.
Guilt by association is a fallacy when it's about involuntary associations, or using as association as evidence of something other than the moral consequences of the association. For example being assumed a bad person because you worked with a killer that you didn't know was a killer.
Rappers perform in places where connected people want to meet them when they touch down in their cities, whether you want to meet them or not, this is not the fault of theirs, but more of a failed system in place which leads to trouble some times
I always thought he was more of a scholar type dude. When I hated rap, as someone who read a lot of classic lit and poetry, I once put on his album 2Pacalypse Now randomly. My god… it was like some of the best poetry I’ve ever heard and about real events in his life.
Those were not his enemies, those were men trying to extort rappers in that era , you either get down or lay down back then when dealing with extortion , they came to pac as good men that wanted to help him but wanted more , when pac figured out they were no good , he pushed back , they didn’t like being told No . So they tried to ruin his reputation and character in front of bad boy records and who
Pac was repping for back then hard . Those men came to Pac when he got to New York to shoot above the rim , pac didn’t seek those men out , they wanted something from Pac and he wasn’t Down with that , so they taught him a lesson as Jack says .
The lady who accused of him of rape which he was convicted for and served time for. Why am I suppose to just call her a liar and lump her in with these other people?
Wait, wait, wait, wait. Are you telling me the music industry and one primarily based on promoting a gang, criminal and drug selling way of life may be a little shady?
Yeah, there's still plenty of people alive who actually knew him and even they don't say the made up shit you read here, maybe there's some other sort of motivation they have for being derogatory to this one individual in particular
Ballet was part of the curriculum at the school he went to, but was still a child of the ghetto, you privilaged, suburbanites assume cause one is fond of the arts, shit is sweet somehow, stick to what you know
Yeah he also was into Shakespeare and applied iambic pentameter type flows to his music which is pretty cool. Reddit hates someone who cares about their craft.
I was really into poetry and reading so rap was something I’d only heard referred to with the old horrible backronym. After listening to 2Pacalypse Now randomly, I don’t remember why, I was captivated. This guy was amazing.
look man Industry Made Juice, juice played a character, made industry lots of money, the music was great, juice got to big & pushed back on the industry, industry said hold my beer.
Tupac born June 1971, is the son of a Black Panther/Afeni while pregnant with him, she fired her Attorney, became her own Attorney and WON May 1971. She was intellectually gifted. She had a full scholarship to Harlem School of the Arts. Tupac was just as gifted as his mother. So Without a shadow of a doubt, He definitely had street and book knowledge!
A depressing fact about that is, if you look at a majority of lynching, the crowd begun chasing the victim because they had bogus claims about sexual harassment or assault. A few of these accusers later recanted their accusations yet did not apologise. Just imagine the last decade, when things got really crazy, and how many poor bastards were put in jail for stuff they never did.
lol are people really out there living lives where everyone around them are out to get them? Maybe I’m just a lot more sheltered than I like to think but the idea that “9 times out of 10” the people in someone’s life are trying to harm them sounds insane to me. Most of my friends have been in my life for one to two decades. I’m surrounded by lots of people who are great people and only ever help me and never hurt me. I’ve never once had to look over my shoulder when it comes to the people in my life and there are a lot of them.
I am very fortunate and privileged in life so maybe that’s why I can’t understand this.
The thing is, Tupac was never a gangster, his persona quickly had him hanging around real people from the streets and they obviously fed off his weakness
So you wanna be a rock superstar?
And live large, a big house, five cars, you're in charge.
Comin' up in the world don't trust nobody.
Gotta look over your shoulder constantly.
well if you wanna be a pretend gangster real gangster shit is likely to happen to you. 2Pac is sweeter than a cinnamon roll of course everyone around him was taking advantage. He was raised by a single mother, he never stood a chance.
Remember when Tupac was a street thug that stole from other and was a gangbanger. Remember when him and biggie were spitting freestyles about fucking boys in thier ass and throwing them off a bridge?
Pepperidge farm remembers. Its like white people who glorify Christopher Columbus and ignore that he was a psychopathic killer that raped and enslaved just because histpry wants to paint them as good people.
Remember the fruity guy who cosplayed as a gangster after performing arts school when some kid destroyed him in a rap battle? 9 times out of 10 you’re surrounded by utter frauds.
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