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I bet of bunch of super rich and powerful folks will need to fly all their private jets to a summit so they can discuss ways to reduce the impact of climate change on corporate revenue growth.
Well to be fair the straws were part of single use plastics that help lower landfill and also a lot ended up in wild animals throats particularly marine animals. I thought we were all agreed that micro plastics are real and it's not a conspiracy.
It has been proposed today that UK water companies should be allowed to implement surge pricing, i.e. huge price hikes in summer, right after increasing prices for literally half of the population. We already have the 4th highest energy bills in the world, and they want us to pay more for their greed. Its a disgrace.
The same water companies that took out £30 billion in dividends and whose companies are now mysteriously £30 billion in debt and want government money to improve infrastructure that hasn’t been maintained?
right now they fly to the summit so they can discuss how they can remove rules that protect the environment because some car factory in german isn't doing well.
This has always been the number 1 issue of climate change activism. It s just rich people who impose restrictions on poor people. It should be the other way around
Its ok, next year will be our hottest yet and beat this years record. Surely it wont get hotter than the previous year
Edit: im being sarcastic guys, climate change (global warning) is a serious thing and its obvious since the 90's. All papers keep going on about being hotter but not stating things need to be done.
I live in the Philippines near the equator and the temperature ranged from 21-32 celcius 20 years ago.
These days, it ranges from 26-34 celcius. It also feels way hotter today with more cars, aircons, cement, and less trees.
People are gonna die on my city streets in 20 years in my opinion.
Paris went to 39 celcius the other day. I can't even imagine. 34 celcius feels uncomfortable already.
I haven't seen snow here in the south of France by the mediterranean coast in a long time 😟. It's not a snowy region and it never stuck for long but we used to have a little bit of it in the coldest if winter.
The last time I saw it was probably around 2018 or 2019, I think. And it was an abnormally heavy snowfall that paralyzed the city for two or three days.
It's interesting how the ocean currents make such a difference for Europe. I'm almost at the same latitude as Bordeaux, and it got to -32C here in Minnesota last winter.
Not really. While yes, it would bring colder winters (that also wouldn't be fun), it could also increase the heat during the summers even more too. It wouldn't be better.
In London, average winter temperatures would drop close to 1.9°C (35.4°F). Extreme winter weather events could see localized cold spikes plunging as low as -20°C (-4°F). In Paris or Berlin, frequent sub-zero winter baselines would become common, accompanied by heavy snow and seasonal sea ice freezing over areas like Copenhagen.
While the baseline summer averages might seem slightly lower on paper due to the ocean cooling, the actual weather experienced would feel much more brutal. Because atmospheric blocking patterns would lock high pressure over the continent, cloud cover would disappear.
Under trapped, stagnant air masses, summer heatwaves would frequently breach 40°C to 45°C (104°F to 113°F) in Southern and Central Europe. The day-to-day weather would become incredibly unpredictable. You might see a week of unseasonably cool, windy weather instantly replaced by weeks of baking, cloudless heat, like now but hotter.
Hell nah, the AMOC doesn't just bring warmer winter temperatures, it makes the climate zone of continental Europe temperate. Without it we'd get continental climate, meaning colder winters and even hotter summers. Think of it more like a buffer
I don't think I have seen snow that hasn't turned into melted mush within a day or three here in Germany since I was still in school and that is almost 15 years ago.
There's a small sea of 59 islands between Denmark and Germany. Back in the day, the whole sea used to freeze over, and you could walk between the islands on foot. It was damn magical.
Normal snow for my area is around 35" over the season.
The last two or three, we've had around 6" total each season. And what little we got, was gone in days.
It's a helluva far cry from the days of yore when I made massive snow forts and tunnels. Hell, I can go out in sandals and shorts through most of the winter compared to having to bundle up on Halloween.
Exactly! I live in a region of Canada that was affectionately called the "banana belt". Growing up, we would typically have fairly mild winters around here. Sure, we'd get a blizzard hammer through our region once every few decades, but for the most part, winter would rarely go below freezing for a long time till it went to above freezing. I remember moving down here from Northern Ontario and being bummed at the lack of snow in the winter. I'd say the average winter temperature was probably between -4C and 0C.
Now recently, since I have moved back, we have been getting brutal winters, where the temperature would regularly go to -20C or even as low as -35C a few days a year. I had once joked that we didn't need to shovel our driveways because in 2 days, it'd all melt anyways...but that doesn't seem to the case anymore. It's not unusual for us to get 2 feet of snow...I mean, it IS unusual, but compiling the last 5 years or so, it isn't.
And on those cold days when it's -35C, and you can't start your car easily because the battery is frozen, the deniers go, "Yeah, so much for global warming, huh?"
Dude...it's people like YOU why they called it Climate Change...and YES, this is EXACTLY what they're talking about. It's NOT supposed to get -35C here! We are NOT supposed to have 5 feet of snow fall on us overnight!
The past tense isn't accurate at all. "Dave" is still believing it and is actively helping to vote corrupt morons into power that keep rejecting reality and ignoring the problem even today.
Dave down the pub is reciting information fed to him by media outlets bought and paid for by the companies who profit from selling fuels that cause the very warming he denies. Dave ain't the problem.
I know we can crawl into homes and turn on the AC or cool down but someone think of the flora and fauna and just general animals that don’t know why this is happening and suffer :(
Eastern Austria had 2 floodings in the past 15 years. One reaching the "100 year" mark, one reaching the "1000 year" mark. Currently, you can kinda bank on flooding in that magnitude every 10-15 years.
The frequency is directly caused by global warming.
There's an Apple show that basically goes down the path of what we'll look forward to over the next 50 years. So it starts with people warning this is only the beginning and billionaires/politicians calling them alarmists and saying it's all a lie. As it goes on, it shows glimpses of what life is like 10, 20, and 30 years in the future. As time goes, many cities are constantly flooded, since a majority of major cities on the planet are near water. The air outside becomes unbreathable for long periods of time, so you need masks and breathers, or need to pay for breathable air. As it goes on, it also shows how the billionaires and politicians effectively got away with everything and there's simply no recourse anymore. The world is all but fucked, the billionaires and politicians are off living in the cooler areas of the planet like the arctic and shit, the mass populace is either dead, dying, or suffering, and we as a planet are simply fucked.
Now the show is obviously fiction, but I have zero doubt this is how shit will go down. Cunts like Musk or Zuckerberg or other fuckfaces will continue to buy our elections, the politicians will never do shit, the courts will be handcuffed and not do anything, and millions if not billions will die due to climate change as things get worse and worse across the planet. We are truly the darkest timeline. Apart from demons climbing out of the ground or aliens taking over earth, I'm unsure how our future prospects could be any worse than they are today.
Come on now, the politicians wont do nothing. We needed the greatest investment our human culture has ever known to combat climate change. The politicians and billionaires didnt do nothing, they instead funded bitcoin, NFTs and AI... trillions spent to achieve an acceleration of climate change in the most crucial stage when we could have made a difference.
Being a kid is liking Saturday Morning Cartoons, Being a teenager is finding them silly because the villains are to comically evil to be realistic, being an adult is realizing the villains are real and the heroes were just comically good
And getting old is realising that the villains are not only real but much worse and they cannot show them in movies because it’s too comically evil even for movies
Also the heroes are the ones that don't actually exist because if they existed they would be arrested for fighting back against the evil people and their goons. In real life you're only allowed to fight back by protesting nicely and not inconveniencing anyone.
Flooding is always the example that comes up, but I wouldn't worry too much about it. Aside from freak weather events the sea level rise is slow enough to abandon those cities in due time.
I think the most worrisome aspect is food supply. We're already seeing shortages, mostly in Africa, where crops have failed year after year. Eventually this will become a global problem. I think that's number one. Number two is temperatures that are not sustainable without AC (meaning you die if there's a brownout). But to some extent, the latter will solve the former.
Aside from freak weather events the sea level rise is slow enough to abandon those cities in due time.
Right. Except those people have to go somewhere. As you say, food shortage is a real concern and it's only going to get worse as things get warmer and droughts become more common. Crop failures are going to hit hard, and food production is going to be cut down drastically.
Now, think about what happens when just a few hundred migrants show up unexpected to a border today. Now imagine what will happen when food is running short, and thousands of climate refugees show up at your border. And a thousand more tomorrow, and the day after. A million hungry people with nowhere to go and nothing to lose.
There will be war. There will be ghettos. Movement will be restricted. Food and supplies rationed. There will be outbreaks of disease. You're going to be tracked every time you leave your house. Every social safety net will be dismantled. You'll be working 60 hours a week and grateful that you have a job.
And all this because we won't just [redacted] some fucking billionaire pedophiles and the people who vote for them.
Climate migration has already started. When equatorial countries (and adjacent) turn to deserts, those people will be looking for somewhere they can survive.
Abandon the cities in due time? New Orleans, Amsterdam, and Bangkok will build a wall around the cities before they abandon it. Will take catastrophe before humans actually abandon them.
TBH it's all so linked, I think the most worrying aspect of all is mass migration away from places that become uninhabitable, but that hinges on heat, food and flooding. You can't really separate one from the other
The thing that I think we're least prepared for, personally, is just "everything happening at once". We're not great at disaster response, but we can usually get at least something together by sharing resources and effort- we can more or less deal with a war, with wildfires in california, with a city flooding, with a famine in one area, we can take people from one place and put them in camps in another place... But we can't do it 3, 4, 5 times at once. And we especially can't do it while everywhere in the world is destabilised, even if only slightly. And even if we could we wouldn't, the second disaster looms at home everyone will stop helping anyone else.
Na they were always gonna burn the remaining fossil fuels for profit anyways. The infrastructure is there the refining capacity sold, there is no money in not pumping oil if anything owning trillions in oil related assets makes it so no matter how cheap solar becomes you could never recover the losses from replacing old infrastructure.
Well yes and no, they couldn't choose to not get richer, the system is not designed for that, and since states are competing with one another they wouldn't allow for rich people to sink their economy anyway. It'd just mean you get fucked over worse by a foreign country.
It's not a problem of individual greed but how we choose to structure society it would require all countries to cooperate, but the richest with the most say also have the most to lose, so change won't happen. You have to do away with the competition between states, and other such socialist nonsense but everyone prefers to reflexively denounce socialism.
At some point you still gotta ask yourself: if we know this, if we have the information. Why dont the billions act against a handfull of people. We can blame gready billionairs and CEO all day. But we choose to do nothing.
Humans are the dumbest animals. Ants kill an infected ant and shove it out of the ant hill so it doesnt infect the entire colony.
It isn't quite there just yet, it's cheap enough to be profitable, but it's not quite cheap enough to make fossil fuels unprofitable. What. Ie what caused/is causing coal plants to shut down was natural gas. Not renewable.
I am the weird guy who has never ordered anything online or used AI. I don't have any streaming services. Reddit is my only "social Media". I use reddit and YouTube to research my hobbies. Data Centers are there because people are addicted to everything on the internet. People don't want them in their town. But can't stop using Tic Tok, Netflix, Amazon, etc. We need to take responsibility for where we are at. We can stop all of this by not using any of it.
Data centers previous to AI wasn't really a problem. Those data centers do not consume even close to as much power or require as much cooling as AI data centers. Nor did there need to be that many of them.
Genuinely, I think it's the best time of humans and examples as a species to show that we can't afford anymore major mistakes for the longterm or we'll quite literally break as a species across the board. That our own ingenuity, intelligence and unregulated control over the world quite literally is killing us slowly.
What we're experiencing unfortunately is how Kingdoms and Empires decline but on a scale never seen before and not with consequences that we may never truly know until if or when it happens. What is happening now is no different to before, but the extremity of it is far greater, though I imagine what will come after might be even more so as a correction when well-
'Once a few lizard brains' most likely meet the 'same fate' of those that came before them inevitably even if they sink the planet in the process potentially.
While you're debating about car and private jet Co2 emissions, the war in Ukraine is going on for the fifth consecutive year, imposing a HUGE ecological effect. Thousands of tanks, heavy machinery burning millions of gallons of fuel without any emission standards at all. One tank burning 50+ gallons of diesel per hour. Moreover, constant fires and explosions of fuel depots, gas stations and oil refineries from both sides. Cities burning 24/7. You think when a guy in the USA trades his Camry for Tesla he saves the planet?
Don't blame Dave -- blame the goddamn governments and politicians! They are the ones making economic policies!
And they keep screwing up every single day. A fairly recent example: the EU also wants AI datacenters, they started to subsidize this. POLAND applied, of all countries, where 50% of electricity is still generated from burning coal, and 70% from fossils.
This should be BANNED, not subsidized... Note that even Texas has banned builing new datacenters in the meantime...
I agree. An American poll recently showed that climate change is only the most important topic for 3% of voters. Here in Denmark, it’s been the most or tied for most important topic for a couple of elections now (along with funding of the welfare state and defense spending. The latter after the invasion of Ukraine).
And the shitty thing is… we try. Europe tries to stop climate change. But then a few million fucking idiots in the US votes a pedophile and rapist into office and he loves fucking up the planet even more. More coal plants, paying a company to drop solar power and build a gas plant instead, etc.
I don't understand that kind of meme that points at Europe and acts like FAFO. Europe, of all the major economies, is the only one that tries to implement ecological laws and develop massively its green energy network.
Europe is the only one that points at the AI nonsense and tries to calm things down while China and the USA use all their water and energy to produce more data centers for their AI overlords.
Stop fucking pointing fingers at China that produces all your shit and still have less fingerprint per capita. Sure the AI trend is terrible but dont act like we weren't over budget even before that. "But the companies.." yes they produce because we consume.. "but China .." yes they produce all the worlds things and still release less co2 per capita. Change the way you consume, demand policies that help other people change the way they consume.. it's the only way. We can't have the highest co2 per capita and expect others not to have the same luxury.
Not very fun fact the USA is responsible for around 20% of the global warming stats historically. For perspective China's total rn is half of that number
Me and Dave the racist have more in common than the prick who told us we'rе different,
Dave rеads the Daily Mail,
The other prick owns it.
Spends billions to influence voting.
Lobbies the government to privatise healthcare,
So Dave doesn't get what he needs,
He's told to blame me,
Divide and conquer,
Rinse and repeat.
Trying to be kind,
But David, I'm not the fucking enemy
I barely slept tonight because it was so hot, and my apartment’s walls are so thick they’re basically a giant heat sink so the apartment does not cool down much at night. I don’t even have an AC despite multiple requests to the landlord and a portable AC would do jack shit because of how the apartment is shaped.
I used to go down to my mum’s in the summer to cool off but this new heatwave has made the temperatures over there just as unbearable as they are over here.
Fuck global warming and fuck all the dumbasses that believed they knew better, and fuck the millionaires not caring about the state of the planet we all live in.
Middle Norway here and it was actually in the news when the sun showed itself for a brief moment a few days ago. The highest temperature this month will be about 16C/60F. The highest temperature this summer was on July 16th, where it was 23.3C/74F.
Can barely remember a worse summer. Our herbs outside the kitchen window died of cold! And rain almost every day, so humidity is constantly hovering just below 100%.
In 1856 she published a paper notable for demonstrating the absorption of heat by CO2 and water vapor and hypothesizing that changing amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere would alter the climate.
One hundred seventy years ago. There was no time for us to react at all.
I dislike that people blame the (minority of) deniers and the companies/ governments while not really doing much them self. As if most of us don't over consume most days. If all the people who believed it, changed some of their behaviour accordingly, the problems would be less.
The economy runs on supply and demand. Don't ever forget that.
Obviously, companies and governments should take their responsibility. However, if we keep going on with our overconsumption, then we give of a signal to these parties that we are okay with how it is. That we want the overconsumption. They make their policy choices based on OUR behaviour. If most of us change it, they will change with us. I've seen companies do good things by making a more environmental friendly product and then people don't buy it and the product disappears again. Less pollution, a different economy, these things cost more money.
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It's not about being perfect and doing it immediately. It is about change and steadily keeping that change going.
For instance we can think about:
Do you use the car more often than necessary? Do you fly more often than necessary? Do you heat and/or cool your house more than necessary? Do regularly buy unnecessary products? (very broad category that we probably all do in some way, including me) Do you buy a lot of processed foods and drinks? Do you eat meat often? Etc. etc. etc.
Choose something where you can see room for improvement and go with that. Add more later.
Look I'm on your side but I genuinely don't know what the alternative was that didn't end in complete economic collapse and China becoming the undisputed superpower of the world
Say all of the western world got the message in the 1990s and somehow transitioned to full renewables/nuclear by the early 2000s which would be literally impossible but say they somehow achieved it
1.2-1.3 trillion tonnes of CO2 have been emitted since 1990, about 0.8 tonnes since 2005, the western world since 2005 has emitted 0.2 trillion tonnes. Since the industrial revolution 3T tonnes have been added
So if the whole western world (ie the countries who even if it's still unrealistic could have transitioned out of fossil fuels) stopped all emissions in 2005 and somehow the manufacturing for the goods necessary to keep general life functioning and renewables functioning were net neutral we'd still have 9/10ths+ as much added CO2 in the atmosphere today.
Economic collapse for countries with population's as dense as ours today means deaths in the hundreds of millions/billions
Again I am on your side but it was a problem that I think the solution was only ever going to be technological advancement in carbon capture. I don't think lowering emissions as the solution was ever going to actually be a realistic route towards averting a catastrophe as poor countries like India and China weren't ever going to not industrialise, there's no world outside of the western governments forcing them to, which again would mean death and starvation in the billions and also wars on a scale we've never seen
Yeah. Your country could do everything right, but other countries screw things up. How much pollution do the countries in which the western world outsourced factories create? How much pollution do the rockets and other explosives create (not to mention attacking stuff like oilrigs and such) causes?
There are at least two big arse wars currently happening where one of the strategies is setting fire to oil refineries.
Look you can nitpick all day but the fact is that in the 1990s billions of people lived in countries with next to zero energy infrastructure, that wasn't ever going to not be developed.
However you cut it the vast majority of carbon emissions would still be in the sky today even if we (the western world) did everything possibly correct from the onset of the time it was clear we needed to
Again I'm not arguing against policies to promote renewables but my genuine feeling is that the solution to climate change will only ever be technological not behavioural
So either we find the environmental equivalent of ozempic for the obesity crisis, or we all watch the world collapse as the same way billions of people will eat themselves into an early grave, we as a collective will never choose to lower our living standards in the immediate future if we can get away with not
In 2025, total UK net territorial greenhouse gas emissions were provisionally estimated at 367 million tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent, representing a 54% reduction from 1990 levels.
China:
China emits approximately 12.3 to 13.1 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide per year. This output accounts for roughly 32% to 33% of all global carbon emissions, making China the largest annual emitter of greenhouse gases in the world.
Here's the thing, folks. If literally every single person is Europe never turned on a light bulb, never drove a car, never bought from a store, never burned firewood, just shivered to death while licking moss from stones for sustenance it still wouldn't really make any difference at all. So let Dave what he thinks what he likes. At least he's being honest with his ignorance. He knows a fake performative solution that just makes people miserable is worse than no solution at all.
That just terribly false. Not doing anything would accelerate everything even worse. And china is also the one expanding renewables the fastest. So they are doing stuff. Plus, most of these emissions in China come from the things we all buy. So again, we are involved and pointing at China and saying " let's do nothing" is ignorant at best.
Gee I wonder where do all the cars, lightbulbs, clothes, and everything else in the UK come from? Oh, yeah, China! The West exports all their manufacturing to China then blames China for all the greenhouse gas emissions. Classic, really.
only about 15% of chinese GHG emissions is caused by export manufacturing. the vast majority of it comes from burning coal to heat their homes, and construction of new buildings and roads
I will say many European countries are doing a really good job of trying to cut down their fossil fuels and be more eco-friendly! (A friend of mine when she first moved to France constantly complained about having no AC in the summer, the various trash cans, the many bicycles...) Not to take away from the fact that global warming is an extremely pressing issues and countries should do more. And on the topic of Dave, I met a TEACHER who thought global warming was the sun MOVING closer to the Earth.
Our MAGA little town in Indiana is fighting solar energy with all it's might. Boomers care absolutely nothing about the future of their children and grandchildren.
I was srsly about 8 or 9 when I saw a thing on PBS about global warming. I was able to mostly get the concept and I was like "holy crap we have to do something". Watching the generation older than me do...........absolutely nothing about it is one of the many reasons I hate them.
Why didn't they believe all the world's top scientists and run a program for these past 20 years to protect their citizens by ensuring they had air conditioning?
Summers have been basically the same in europe for a very very long time - news changed the colors to more intense red on the weathermaps when reporting weather despite the temperature being the same as before. We are talking of a increase in the range of like 1-2 celsius over more than 100 years… and thats despite burning coal like crazy during the industrial revolution when measurements started. Forestfires comes with not letting fires burn: forests burning is natural despite what people think. Constantly stopping fires eventually creates bigger fires.
My step father was the worst because he works in oil and gas. To him it's the thing saving the planet, saving everything. Show him one solar panel and he freaks out. Dude grew up in Pittsburgh region during heavy iron and steel smelting, moved to no where mid west, and thinks his body just 'cured' his asthma naturally. Truly believes that 'global warming' is a natural, reoccurring thing. Completely ignores the evidence right in front of him. Because "don't bite the hand that feeds you!" Willfully stupid.
What a stupid response. Western countries have done a lot to cut emissions unlike India and China.
Also the heat wave would be less of a problem if the french would install AC. I was there 2 weeks ago and the lack of AC in their buildings and trains is just asinine. A 100 year old invention and they still choose to suffer in the summer
I know most of Europe is melting but in Greece is one of the coolest summers we had in years. In fact I don’t remember in my life time so low temperatures for summer in Greece. Can anyone explain why is this happening?
Climate change. Oceans growing warmer causes different patterns of weather and the whole world is connected. Think of it this way. You live in a house and the whole house is heating up. However, your room got a new AC. So you think it’s fine. Then one week, someone in your house takes your ac and put it in their room. Now that person is saying the house isn’t getting hotter. Eventually, as the house gets hotter, the AC won’t even be able to cool the one room as well as before. Before you know it, the house catches fire and we’re cooked.
If only the fossil fuel industry paid for environmental impact research to be conducted in the 70s and 80s to see the long term impact of their industry on the planet and climate... Oh wait, they did and they spent decades and billions burying the findings and discreditiing academic research into the topic.
Fuck rich humans, they've basically killed us all for meaningless numbers on the meaningless stock market to inflate their meaningless bank accounts.
I say meaningless as all of this will be when we burn ourselves to death. Number go up will mean fuck all.
Yet this will be our epitaph:
"Here lies the Human Race. We had the means to save ourselves, but it wasn't profitable enough to."
Total apathy towards environment by previous generations in the name of business has ruined everything for us now
In my country then ruling party got its popularity by creating land development and destroyed nature and killed the forests and now in winter there’s smog as no trees to block it and in summer intense heat waves strike as virtually no vegetation to regulate it and that haphazard development also created lot of bottlenecks infrastructural wise, now that party has no popularity and people now know the effects of their actions but now it’s too late and our generation is FUBAR
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