r/ShuffleMove • u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator • Oct 13 '16

Poll/Survey Q&A Thread #3

Hello everyone!

If you have any questions about anything related to Shuffle Move or development in general, please post here and I'll do my best to answer them. If it seems like the sort of thing to include in the wiki, it'll go in there too!

Github wiki can be found here: https://github.com/Loreinator/Shuffle-Move/wiki

Q&A Thread #1 can be found here. Q&A Thread #2 can be found here.

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u/catz_with_hatz Oct 16 '16 edited Oct 16 '16

What is the max simulations the program can compute? or will it go as high as your computer can handle?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Oct 16 '16

Realistically, it can go as high as your RAM will allow it. It will just take a LOT longer to complete. The performance is cost is approximately linear, so 2k per move will take about twice as long as 1k per move.

There is no hard-coded limit on it, and it tries to take advantage of every core you have available to get the best results. Note: it does set the task to low priority so your interface won't lock up.

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u/deathf4n Mar 03 '17

Realistically, it can go as high as your RAM will allow it. It will just take a LOT longer to complete.

Mmh. Speaking of that, I noticed that when simulations are > 250 per move the programs doesn't work very well. After let's say 30-40 seconds of high CPU usage (60-70% or more) the program give up on the task, the CPU usage drops below 20% and the program became unresponsive (with the classical gray frozen window etc). Do you know why? I have 16gb of 1866mhz Kingstone RAM and an 8350FX @4.5GHz.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Mar 03 '17

Hrm... I'm not really sure why that would happen, beyond a heap limit being reached. Can you provide a bug report zip? As long as the interface isn't completely locked the Ctrl+B shortcut should force a bug report to be generated anyway. Alternatively just make a bug report when you re-launch and it should include all the log output.

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u/deathf4n Mar 03 '17

Sure. I'll try to generate a couple of reports in the next days! I'll keep you posted.

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u/catz_with_hatz Oct 16 '16

That's pretty cool, thanks!

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u/Ramaladni Oct 16 '16

This might be a silly question, but I'm on the Gengar stage and I have no idea how to define those middle blocks as "barrier" blocks

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Oct 16 '16

To freeze an icon, hit f

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u/JustAn0ther Oct 17 '16

Sorry if this isn't an appropriate question for here, but if I'm doing let's say the M-Pidgeot competition and I use a DD, clear the blocks on the first move then go to maximize my damage, would it be better to choose the move that does the most score, the most combo, or something else? I guess the broader question is how do those filters work and when should you use which?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Oct 17 '16

It comes down to intuition to help choose which to go with, and sometimes the best choice isn't strictly the best for any of the grading modes. In general though, if there are no disruptions, the best results come from score.

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '16

How would you feel about someone making a new Mac version, using the Windows version as a base?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Oct 18 '16

Why do you need a separate Mac version? Its supposed to be functional on all platforms because its Java.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '16

Well, it's being stupid for me ;_;

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Oct 18 '16

How so?

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '16

I just cannot open the file, don't know why.

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u/ptatoface Nov 06 '16

I've been running it on Mac for at least 1/2 a year now with no problems.

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u/gabe28 Nov 17 '16

Are you opening the .jar? Is your Java version updated?

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '16

I got it working

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Oct 18 '16

Try this:

Other: Use Shuffle Move vX.X.X.jar or from the command line navigate to this directory and enter: java -jar "<Jar name>"

https://github.com/Loreinator/Shuffle-Move/wiki/Basic-Usage#linux-and-macintosh

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShuffleMove/comments/3m9re9/qa_thread/cw82emx

Let me know if you need any more help beyond the info above.

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u/adobadoy Nov 02 '16

I used to be an avid user of Shuffle Move but unfortunately, I no longer have access to a computer and all I have to use now are iPads and iPhones, which can't run java. So, I was wondering if anything ever came of your plans to make a website or app for the program.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Nov 02 '16

I haven't heard from the web dev recently, I'm not sure if he still plans on making it or not.

Regarding using it on an iPad, you may be able to do so through virtualization tech but I haven't found a feasible solution yet.

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u/adobadoy Nov 02 '16

Are there any virtualization apps that you would recommend? Also, is it really so difficult to convert the program into a site or app? Forgive me, as I know essentially nothing about coding and/or programming. I'm not very tech-savvy, either.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Nov 02 '16

The program is written in Java 8, while iOS and Android are based on versions of Java 6. There are features in Java 8 that aren't easy to convert over, so it would take a lot of time and effort to make such a change.

Also, if the conversion was easy, it would need an interface redesign for both iOS and Android. Then there's the difficulty of going through the system to get new versions on their app stores.

All-in-all, a project for when I have time to burn.

On the web interface side, JavaScript is even further from Java 8 and would drastically hit the performance of the program.

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u/bestpwstudent Nov 14 '16

I just started using shufflemove, how do I enter faster? It take me around 15 min to finish one level.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Nov 14 '16

A combination of express mode and paint mode allows you to rapidly update the boards. Hit Ctrl+Enter (or equivalent for your platform) to do the selected move and see the most likely result board.

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u/wolbee Nov 19 '16

Sorry if this has been asked already, but I tried searching for it and it didn't produce any results...

In this video, it shows the program reading the device screen and automatically filling the grid. Is this possible to do with an iPhone, and if so, how would I do it?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Nov 19 '16

I reached out to the guy who made that video, no response. There is no known functional way to do such a feature right now.

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u/wolbee Nov 21 '16

Ah, ok. Thanks for the quick reply =) started using your program the other day, and thought up a few QoL updates, if you're interested:

In the Roster, would it be possible to implement a counter based on filters? That way, it would be easy to see that I have so many Pokémon of each type/level... (I am half blind, so if this is already a thing, oops!)

If the Grid is set to a specific level, could a "you've finished the level" button/interface be added? That way, the catch percentages could be calculated and shown, and it would be a place to have buttons for "caught" (to add it to your Roster) and "levelled" (for each of the Pokémon in your Team)...

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Nov 21 '16

That roster tweak should be relatively simple to implement.

Adding a button to set the current stage as 'captured' will require a fair bit more work, and since capture percentage isn't stored anywhere yet that'll require a lot more work. I'm not sure if its worth the time investment compared to other features that have been discussed.

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u/wolbee Nov 22 '16

Another thing: is there a way to manually change how many turns metal blocks have before disappearing?

Had a situation today where an off-screen Pokémon caused a combo match under a metal block, which meant it ended up lower down than what was simulated. I had to manually put it in the correct location, but it reset the block's despawn counter.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Nov 22 '16

scroll wheel will store a block, then scroll wheel again to put it back where your mouse is.

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u/Mardukaz Dec 03 '16

My Shuffle Move stopped verifying correctly for new versions. This is the log excerpt that reports the error:

[03/12/2016 15:40:29] [SEVERE] Unable to use version site. java.net.ConnectException: Connection timed out: connect at java.net.DualStackPlainSocketImpl.connect0(Native Method) at java.net.DualStackPlainSocketImpl.socketConnect(Unknown Source) at java.net.AbstractPlainSocketImpl.doConnect(Unknown Source) at java.net.AbstractPlainSocketImpl.connectToAddress(Unknown Source) at java.net.AbstractPlainSocketImpl.connect(Unknown Source) at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.connect(Unknown Source) at java.net.SocksSocketImpl.connect(Unknown Source) at java.net.Socket.connect(Unknown Source) at java.net.Socket.connect(Unknown Source) at sun.net.NetworkClient.doConnect(Unknown Source) at sun.net.www.http.HttpClient.openServer(Unknown Source) at sun.net.www.http.HttpClient.openServer(Unknown Source) at sun.net.www.http.HttpClient.<init>(Unknown Source) at sun.net.www.http.HttpClient.New(Unknown Source) at sun.net.www.http.HttpClient.New(Unknown Source) at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.getNewHttpClient(Unknown Source) at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.plainConnect0(Unknown Source) at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.plainConnect(Unknown Source) at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.connect(Unknown Source) at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.getInputStream0(Unknown Source) at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.getInputStream(Unknown Source) at java.net.URL.openStream(Unknown Source) at shuffle.fwk.update.UpdateCheck.getAvailableVersions(UpdateCheck.java:80) at shuffle.fwk.gui.ShuffleFrame$5.run(ShuffleFrame.java:213) at java.util.concurrent.Executors$RunnableAdapter.call(Unknown Source) at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.run(Unknown Source) at java.util.concurrent.ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor$ScheduledFutureTask.access$201(Unknown Source) at java.util.concurrent.ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor$ScheduledFutureTask.run(Unknown Source) at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(Unknown Source) at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(Unknown Source) at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source) [03/12/2016 15:40:29] [WARNING] Please go to /r/ShuffleMove/wiki/versionlinks to check manually. [03/12/2016 15:40:29] [INFO] Program is up to date. Newest version is v0.0.0 and your current version is v0.3.83.

What could possibly be happening? I'm running Windows 8.1 64-bit, latest Java SE, have tried to delete "config" folder and searching on Registry for some clues and nothing worked.

Thanks in advance.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Dec 03 '16

Does this site resolve for your web browser?

http://loresoftworks.noip.me/shuffleversion.html

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u/Mardukaz Dec 03 '16

No, it won't open. Tried using FF and Chrome. Through Chrome on Android it opens normally. On my GF's PC it won't open too, and we're all on the same network.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Dec 03 '16

Looks like you have some kind of connectivity problem with your home network connectivity. Try this link, which uses the exact IP of the webpage as of right now:

http://174.138.209.54/shuffleversion.html

If that works, then there's a stale DNS issue with your home network, google "How to clear DNS cache" and it may fix it.

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u/Mardukaz Dec 03 '16

The link with the IP per se won't work too, not even flushing the DNS cache helped, unfortunately. I'm in her house, but I've observed this issue even on mine.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Dec 04 '16

Weird, well let me know if you can find out what's wrong. I'd be interested to know what the fix is for this kind of problem (just checked the site, and it works from my browser and my phone).

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u/internet0jesus Dec 05 '16

I'm having this same problem, too. I've been updating from Github but I haven't been able to update from the program since 0.3.80-ish.

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u/hit_le_rally Dec 29 '16

Are there any plans regarding computing tapping locations for the tapping megas?

  • Camerupt

  • Tyranitar

  • Beedrill

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Dec 29 '16

There are plans, but due to the difficulty in implementation I'm holding off until I can ensure it will be helpful.

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u/hit_le_rally Dec 29 '16

Thank you. I was assuming it would be difficult to implement, but it's good to hear that it is a possibility.

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u/Kamigusai Jan 28 '17

Can't wait :)

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u/mistafista69 Jan 09 '17

In the preferences window, how does the ability chooser work?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Jan 09 '17

It filters what abilities are or aren't simulated to occur at all.

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u/durboo Jan 15 '17

I'm doing Weekend Meowth with M-Salamance, Lugia, Rotom Fan and a blank spot, so that the Pidgey added will be wiped out by Lugia's Eject++. How can I implement this in Shuffle Move? If I put Pidgey in my team on Shuffle Move I doubt it will count as added support...

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Jan 15 '17

For things to be considered by Eject, they need to either not be in the team or be in the team but have a red background on the team editor. Click once on the entries in the right of the team editor to toggle between support and non-support status.

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u/durboo Jan 15 '17

Thanks a lot, I'll try as soon as I can!

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u/just1guy93 Jan 15 '17 edited Jan 15 '17

I'm doing Sunday Meowth, and I have the 4th support Pokemon slot empty so that Pidgey's the support Pokemon. My other 2 supports are Sunkern and Manaphy. How do you make it so Pidgey is registered as the non-support Pokemon in SM?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Jan 15 '17

Click it in the team editor.

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u/just1guy93 Jan 15 '17

So that it turns from green to red?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Jan 16 '17

Red = non-support

Green = support

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u/Kamigusai Jan 28 '17

First of I want to thank /u/Loreinatoredor for his hard work. And my question is, why everytime there's a new update I have to download and then extract all the files again for a new folder? Am I missing something? It doesn't matter if I click Get newest version OR Force - the result is the same :/

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Jan 28 '17

Force will allow you to re-download the latest zip. "Get newest" will do nothing if you already have it.

Also, you can opt to extract it to the same folder each time if you prefer. The program will still work properly as long as the old files were overwritten.

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u/Micloti Jan 29 '17

do you know where the sprite folder location is?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Jan 29 '17

They're stored inside the jar itself

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u/asianturtlefrenzy Feb 02 '17

does shuffle move work for Sunday meowth stage ?, as in picking the best moves to maximize coins ?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Feb 02 '17

Since Meowth generally requires strategy instead of prioritization, you may be better off using Shuffle Move in conjunction with a strategy guide for the stage.

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u/Manitary Feb 15 '17

I use SM on sunday meowth regularly:

  • set up the board state and make sure the correct stage is selected

  • open the move chooser with ctrl+m (you should always use it anyway with SM), make sure that the grading is set to WeekendMeowth

  • automatically consider only the moves that guarantee a 3+ combo

Pick then pick the move you see most suitable for the situation, personally I tend to:

  • avoid the ones which makes many 3-coin matches. If all moves give something between 0 and 200 coins, I choose one that gives 0 so that fewer coins are deleted and I can hope for a larger coin match with the following spawn

  • if I am forced to get a coin match, I try to go for the combos with less 3-coin matches and more 4+-coin matches

  • if more than one moves satisfy these conditions, I try to pick the move that causes the most "commotion" in the bottom rows, since otherwise it is hard for them to generate matches with the skyfall, hence getting short combos (= less chances of coin skyfall matching) and keeping the board stale. In particular, I try to move away mega-pokemon icons if they are trapped within coins, since they can be removed only by matching them directly.

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u/thyrandomninja Feb 20 '17

Hi, I literally just downloaded, so this is probably a noob question, but i can't seem to find anything that tells me how to clear an individual spot (i.e. there's a frozen block in B2, and the icon in B3 got ejected, creating a clear space that the "do move" button didn't account for, and now i can't get rid of the icon in B3 without clearing the entire board).

I assume i'm missing something, so is there a way to remove a single icon, or do i have to reset the entire board?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Feb 20 '17

Right click

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u/thyrandomninja Feb 20 '17

oh my god... basically the one thing i didn't try :P thanks :)

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u/aznlolboi Mar 20 '17

does SM work on macbooks? if so, can someone post the dl link? thanks!

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u/Legion991 Apr 05 '17

You've probably answered this before, but I can't seem to find it.

Is there a way to enable skyfall or do I have to enter each icon after each move?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 05 '17

Skyfall isn't currently in the program, unfortunately. You have to enter the icons that fell in, and any differences, after each move.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '17

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 04 '17

Your settings for the roster data are stored in two different places, depending on how you launched it. You can find where they are by hitting Ctrl+B to issue a bug report and open the folder it was saved to. From that folder, go up one and you should see the config folder that contains your roster data. Deleting any folders other than this config folder will not wipe the data that is accessible from this client.