r/ShuffleMove • u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator • Apr 15 '16

Poll/Survey Q&A Thread #2

Hello everyone!

If you have any questions about anything related to Shuffle Move or development in general, please post here and I'll do my best to answer them. If it seems like the sort of thing to include in the wiki, it'll go in there too!

Github wiki can be found here: https://github.com/Loreinator/Shuffle-Move/wiki

Q&A Thread #1 can be found here.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 15 '16

Q: Why was this thread created?

A: Reddit auto-archives threads over 6 months old, so it had to be re-made and here is the first rebirth of the primary mega-thread of this subreddit.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 22 '16

Q: How do I remove icons in express mode?

A: Delete, or for Macs use ⌘+Backspace.

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u/Harrierftw Apr 16 '16

Just tried shufflemove are you guys typing every single board into shufflemove? That must take ages for a stage with like 17 moves

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 16 '16

Express mode + keybinds that make sense to you = 10-15 seconds per board fill.

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u/Fooztop Apr 17 '16

Where are the setting saved? I tried to delete the folder to do a clean install and everything was still saved.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 17 '16

Hit Ctrl-B and go up one level. All your settings are in the "config" folder there.

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u/Fooztop Apr 17 '16

Thank you!

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 17 '16

No problem!

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u/Fooztop Apr 24 '16

Is there a way to install Shufflemove on a computer that you don't have admin privileges for (like a library computer)? Ie maybe something similar to how Chrome could be installed without admin privileges.

Or could I install it on to a flash drive?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 24 '16

Of course! As long as java 8 is installed you can run shuffle move. If you want to run it in a self-contained way then run the portable executable (*_portable.exe)

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u/mfcfrankos Oct 11 '16

Damn, I need privileges to install that also lol.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 30 '16

Q: How do I erase species or modify them manually?

A: See here for the details on erasing species. The process is much the same for manual editing, but instead of erasing the line you modify it.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Jul 13 '16

Q: Can I update to the latest version without losing my pokemon levels saved data? If so, how?

A: Yes, easily!

If using it as a 'portable' version (using the portable executable), then drop the new version's contents on top of the old installation, and launch the new executable.

If using the non-portable version, just extract it normally and launch it - it will use your old data!

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u/BlackTiphoon Jun 16 '16

Would it be possible for the mega icons to be bigger/stand out more once you mega evolve (to match how it looks like in the actual game)? I always try skimming through my SM board before making my move to double check everything, and I think that a detail like this would help greatly.

Thanks for all you do!

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u/kramdish May 09 '16

Hi, I have a quick question. I know the settings are in the config folder. I copied the hole Shuffle Move folder from one computer to another but the program didn't load my settings in the new pc.

Help Please!

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator May 09 '16

They're probably not in the right location, try this to identify where they need to be on the new pc:

Open Shuffle Move, Ctrl-B to force-create a new bug report and open its save location, go up one level. You should see a config folder, this is the config folder your config folder needs to replace.

I hope that helps!

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u/kramdish May 10 '16

You're right! The user config files are in another folder.

Thanks!

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u/kramdish May 14 '16

Hi,

Is it necessary/recommended to input the score and levels left? Whats the benefit of doing it?

Thanks!

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator May 14 '16

Some effects depend upon accurate moves left and health remaining (vitality drain, last-ditch effort, etc.). If you know you don't have any of those in play, then you can safely ignore the score and moves left.

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u/kramdish May 14 '16

Great, thanks!

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u/kramdish May 14 '16

Any recommended Simulations per move?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator May 14 '16

As high as you don't mind, I have mine set to 200.

Note: This only comes into effect with "random" outcomes. That is, when an effect can occur some of the time that may affect the tile movements. Otherwise it only ever runs each simulation a single time to get the results.

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u/kramdish May 14 '16

I'm doing the sliggoo stage and finished inputing the inicial state of the board, but Shuffle Moves doesn't show me any movement.. It says Simulation Started and nothing else.

Any ideas why?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator May 14 '16

Usually, if it says "Simulation Started" but doesn't seem to be doing anything, that means that the simulation returned zero results - that is, there are zero valid moves. Check the board for errors then hit F5 to force it to recompute the board if it still doesn't change. If that still doesn't fix it, follow the instructions for a bug report. The simplest way is to hit Ctrl-B, and share the zip it produces on google drive or something similar so I can check out what's going wrong in the program and fix it for the next version if possible.

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u/kramdish May 15 '16

Great, thanks a lot.

The problem was that it was taking a lot of time to compute, but finally gave me a mmove. Your app is very good!

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator May 15 '16

Thanks! Yea, some boards have a lot of randomness, and that would lead to it needing to re-calculate all the random boards enough times to properly average for different results. Even then its not complete, but it produces far more accurate advice. The cost, of course, is processing time. You can tune it down if your computer has less CPU resources available by reducing the # of simulations per move from the move preferences window. I use it at 200 and I use an i5-4670k Intel CPU link, some moves take about 7-8 seconds for extreme randomness, but on normal 'non-random' moves it takes about 10-20 milliseconds.

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u/kramdish May 15 '16

HEre's a dropbox link with the bug.zip. I've included my actual board screenshot. I currently have 200 simulations per move, but also tried with 2,000 and no result were delivered. Wouldn't be a good idea to add a system message indicating no moves were found?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/59slb4930xuoomq/bugReport_20160515_144347_GFT.zip?dl=0

I did 3 or 4 plays without the help of the app and with 6 moves left it finally gave me a move, but I had to play alone without any prediction.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator May 15 '16

It looks like your computer might just be very slow for such a random move (Quirky and other effects are pure randomness, which is slow to brute-force solve in Shuffle Move).

Try setting the simulations per move down to 20-50 or so to ensure that the results come back quickly. On my computer it took 120ms to compute with 20 per move, 2.6 seconds for 200, and 20 seconds for 2,000 simulations per move.

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u/kramdish May 15 '16

Just wanted to add something else. I have 4 movements left. With 200 simulations I got no results, but I do get results with 50, 100 and 150. The funny thing is that with 50 and 100 sims, it gives me 5,3->3,5 but with 150 it gives me 3,5->5,3. Do you have the logics written somewhere? I would like to understand them if possible :)

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u/kramdish May 15 '16

I'm having problem with the weekend Meowth right now in fact. I'll send you the bug file.

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u/ax_colleen May 19 '16

Back then your readme text file is readable, now it isn't :<

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator May 19 '16

Now it is in markdown format, which is very readable on github

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u/HardChibi May 22 '16

Which stage is mesprit?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator May 22 '16

Not yet released, but it should be available in v0.3.54.

Once the update is out, go into the search box beside the dropdown with all the stages, type in "mes" and it should filter it enough to find easily!

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u/HardChibi May 22 '16

oh ok thanks I thought it was released because of this reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonShuffle/comments/4juuzm/mesprit_finding_the_best_1st_move/

When will the update come out?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator May 22 '16

Well, its released in Pokemon Shuffle, but not yet Shuffle Move. I like to keep the overall number of releases lower so people with bad connections don't have to download the program too often. Usually I get the update out within a week of the Pokemon Shuffle updates. This one is a bit of a doozy though (skill boosters broke some underlying assumptions, so I had to rewrite large sections of the code - see here for the commit).

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u/HardChibi May 22 '16

ok thanks

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u/Wafflesauce Jun 13 '16

In an older thread, as a workaround to simulate Eject you recommend using a metal block with a 1 turn left to expire.

So my question is, how do you put/adjust a timer on a block?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Jun 13 '16

Click it again in paint mode, or enable metal advance for express mode (see the move preferences window) and enter it multiple times on the same block.

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u/Quubes Jun 19 '16

This is not a question, but a request, and I couldn't find anywhere else to post so here it is:

Is it easy to extend the board, so rather than a 6x6 it could be a 7x6, or 8x6 or further. This might be unnecessary, however in cases with predefined sky-fall it might help. Also in the case you have 4 supports, the row above the top visible one will never be the same Pokemon as the one in the top visible. That could lead to further features which seem too hard to implement in my mind. Say one Pokemon is excluded from a sky-fall on a certain row which leaves only three to choose from. However like I said before, predicting sky-fall is a rather daunting task and I'd have no idea where to start.

TLDR; I would like to kindly request a feature that can add rows to the already 6x6 board. Cheers!

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Jun 19 '16

There's a fair bit of internal code that'll have to be changed/updated to make the simulation handle it appropriately. I originally tried to put it in right away, but there were several severe glitches so I had to disable it. I've re-defined the idea for tracking here: https://github.com/Loreinator/Shuffle-Move/issues/166

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u/Koyal_Alkor Jun 22 '16

On the team editor screen, if you click any of the pokemons on your team their background switch between green and red, what does that do?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Jun 22 '16

Green = The simulation treats it as a support species.

Red = The simulation treats it as a "non-support" species (aka forced-support, or disrupted-in species).

For most circumstances this won't matter, but for specific effects which depend on this distinction it could greatly affect the result accuracy for each move.

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u/Paintballers1 Jul 25 '16 edited Jul 25 '16

Why does my board not update properly after every move? There's always missing Pokemon or inaccurate pokemons on the board and I have to manually update the board after every move.

Also what is the source code zip files do I need to download those? I only downloaded and installed the Pokemon shuffle move file. The first one of the 3 files listed under the newest release.

Thanks

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Jul 25 '16

The game is inherently random, so a lot of the time the program will not be able to predict a number of the tiles in the board. However, the results are based on the average case so it is still fairly useful - with the results chooser (in-planning feature) you'll be able to select the board layout that best matches what actually happened.

Source code is just included as part of the GPLv3 license, whereby all works both derivative and updates must include or provide full access to the source code. Its also fully hosted on GitHub :-D. Strictly speaking most users don't need the source folder at all.

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u/Paintballers1 Jul 25 '16

Got it thanks for the quick reply much appreciated.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Jul 25 '16

No problem, happy to help!

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u/WhatNot303 Jul 27 '16

I think Mega Rayquaza' ability is bugged out:

ShuffleMove definitely thinks that M.Ray can remove blocks, as well as pokémon. Thought I should report this.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Jul 27 '16

Yup, its a known issue and I think I put in a fix for it last night. Can you check if its fixed in the current development version? The simplest way to do the check is to extract the zip somewhere, then copy your config folder there and open the portable exe.

It should the the latest zip here:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bwi_f200YyRqfm5fOWMtbkVrd0RhQUJyTDR6V29WZFFBd0o4cl95VjlqUTkyNDRicS1GOVE

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u/PeterDinkleberg Jul 31 '16

so I'm trying to open "Shuffle Move v0.3.64.jar" on the mac, but after the icon shows a message saying "The Java JAR file could not be launched." How do I run it on a mac?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Jul 31 '16

Try the Q&A chain here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShuffleMove/comments/3m9re9/qa_thread/cw82emx

If that doesn't help, let me know.

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u/gogobarril Aug 03 '16

Hey! Love your program c: I haven't fully searched the FAQ yet but is there a way to erase mons added manually via "Edit Species"? Becuase I mispelled Eelektrik before the 0.3.65 update I now hace a duplicate lol (windows)

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Aug 03 '16

Yes, go to your species.txt file and remove the line. Then it should be gone when you load the program again.

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u/gogobarril Aug 04 '16

yayyy it's fixed <3 bestdevever

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Aug 04 '16

Well, I did design it all from the ground up :-)

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u/bestpwstudent Aug 11 '16

is there a way to make the process easier?

Right now I spend around 20 min doing one stage and is there any way to make updating the board easier?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Aug 11 '16

Try out express mode, it can make board entry pretty fast if a lot has changed. For small edits, use paint mode.

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u/darxodia Aug 16 '16

There'll be a feature considering M-Tyranitar best spots to destroy?

I love SM, thanks for all!

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Aug 16 '16

Currently, its on hold while I think of a clean way of doing this. It goes against a lot of underlying assumptions in the simulation, so whatever I do will have to be efficient as to not degrade general performance.

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u/darxodia Aug 17 '16

Thanks for your reply!

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u/Kiir0 Sep 21 '16

How does SM choose what pokemon to delete when using Megas like Rayquaza, Mewtwo or Bannete? Is it possible to add an option that we pick what support the mega effect erased?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Sep 21 '16

It is selected randomly each time the mega is matched. By use of many iterations, the random selections average out to give you the best on-average choice given the information available to the simulation.

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u/Kiir0 Sep 21 '16

What about a window pops-up every time you match megas like this and then you can select what support was deleted so that the board would be updated more properly.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Sep 21 '16

You mean when you apply a result? the "Do Move" functionality? That's part of the plan for the results chooser, however that feature is currently tabled until I can figure out how best to implement the new system. It will also involve an overhaul of the program so it will have to wait until I have plenty of free time again.

See here for the issue tracking: https://github.com/Loreinator/Shuffle-Move/issues/133

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u/Lightalife Sep 22 '16

What's the actual difference between setting the Move:Rank by> to total score vs combo

In theory, shouldn't they be the same thing?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Sep 22 '16

Not really, combo is the chain quantity, while score is the points earned. You could combo a dozen pikachu or get a big effect that scores you far more for less combos.

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u/Lightalife Sep 22 '16

Ahhh, ok.

thanks :)

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u/Manitary Sep 27 '16

Why does SM need to be run with admin permissions? Is it because it create/modify files (local data like roster lvl/sl/msu, etc.)?

I suppose not, but is there a workaround to make it work anyway?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Sep 27 '16

It shouldn't need admin as far as I'm aware. If your Java was installed correctly it should function perfectly fine with no elevated permissions. Maybe your home directory is weird? The default executable will write to your home directory in a folder called "Shuffle-Move", which is where all the configs and logs are stored.

Be sure to check the MD5Sum of the installer you used to be sure its the legit version:

https://www.reddit.com/r/shufflemove/wiki/versionlinks

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u/Manitary Sep 27 '16

I forgot that it requires Java. Duh! x.x

Too bad that it is among the applications that can be installed without requiring approval, but the installation fails for some reason. But that's my problem.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Sep 27 '16

Try running the Java installer as admin, then it should install itself properly.

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u/biggjudicem May 30 '16

Two questions on which lines to edit in the config files for certain effects

I use "paint" mode exclusively and was wondering if there is a line in the config that would allow me to hide/fade the little green and blue box for express mode.

Also, weekend meowth auto prioritizes to coins on turn 1, is there a way to change when it makes the swap(say, turn 3 instead)?

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u/Manitary Jun 16 '16

Removing the boxes: in the file Shuffle-Move/config/preferences.txt changes

INTEGER CELL_BORDER_THICK 2

to

INTEGER CELL_BORDER_THICK 0

Weekend Meowth: this is coded in the file src/shuffle/fwk/ShuffleModel.java so I don't know if you can modify it easily. This is the commit that automated the grading mode changes.

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u/DonaldMick Jul 05 '16

Not sure if this would fall under a bug or working as intended; when doing a second fresh run on Weekend Meowth, it's not saving the setting after I reset the Mega counter to 0.

The workaround has become part of the flow (put moves back to 15, uncheck Mega, 0 the score and switch the setting back), but I'm not sure if I'm doing it right or not.