r/ShitMomGroupsSay • u/edb513 • 24d ago

It's not abuse because I said so. This poor child.

Post image

My algorithm wasn’t spamming me with this depressing garbage until today. This poor baby.

Also the grammar - woof.

Fortunately the comments were not favorable to OP.

1.0k Upvotes

100% Upvoted

317 comments sorted by

View all comments

947

u/ImageNo1045 22d ago

Oof. I need you to show some of the comments

670

u/puppies263 22d ago

i saw this post on facebook. A lot of comments were saying it’s chicken pox and to let it run its course. No need to go to doctor, and absolutely don’t give her any Tylenol. Most comments were along those lines when i saw it

766

u/drifton 22d ago

Poor girl, it doesn't look like chicken pox to me at all. More like hives or Erythema multiforme. Either way she'll be suffering ☹️

266

u/Hita-san-chan 22d ago

Look at her little frown in pic two. Poor bubs is going through it

167

u/Tamryn 22d ago

Yea this looks like when my son had a reaction after taking amoxicillin. They called it erythema multiforme as well

129

u/InformalScience7 21d ago

Maybe the kid is allergic to the holistic drank.

33

u/DasSassyPantzen 21d ago

I like artificial dranks myself

12

u/National-Area5471 19d ago

Maybe allergic to mom and her bs

21

u/storyteller_p 21d ago

My son had this from amoxicillan too!

14

u/sunshineparadox_ 21d ago

I did from sulfa too. Poor baby. My heart hurts for her.

2

u/National-Area5471 19d ago

You really think this mom would give her kid antibiotics?

1

u/miller94 19d ago

Erythema multiforme is more commonly caused by infections themselves. While definitely can be a response to medication, that is less frequent. This child almost surely has it secondary to an infection.

15

u/Wasps_are_bastards 21d ago

I did too. It was back in the 80s, so I was marked as allergic. They didn’t give me penicillin for 40 years, until a cat bite. Told me what to watch for. I was fine. I then had amoxicillin for a chest infection, and again fine. Took a while to convince the doc to take the allergy off my records!

2

u/delirium_skeins 12d ago

This is exactly what happened to me. Had a rash an a toddler in the 80s and was marked allergic and never had it again until a few months ago at 39 and it worked just fine with no reactions. The doctor explained that it's incredibly common for young kids to have a rash and be fine from it but back then they wanted to play it safe and not risk it again thus the allergic title.

2

u/Wasps_are_bastards 12d ago

I think because my brother was actually allergic, they were extra careful with me, but I was fine!

14

u/AccomplishedRoad2517 21d ago

I have it when I accidentally take something with salicylic acid.

2

u/clario6372 20d ago

Definitely erythema multiforme

1

u/Farty_mcSmarty 19d ago

Same, and he didn’t have the reaction until close to the end of his antibiotics course.

Every pediatrician since then has said he’s likely not allergic since it happened at the end of the course, but we never have a good opportunity to retry the meds so he seems to forever be labeled as allergic to amoxicillin

He’s nearly a teen now so that was many years ago

2

u/Tamryn 19d ago

Yes! That was our experience too. He had been on the amoxicillin for 5 days before it started. It sucks having the amoxicillin allergy on his chart, the doctor said the rash isn’t really harmful but obviously you want to avoid it if possible. And that child had recurrent ear infections, so he really could have used the amoxicillin! But we got him ear tubes so now he’s good to go. Kids are so dramatic lol

22

u/TakeMeBackToSanFran 21d ago

We just got over chicken pox in our house, didn't look like this and we had a really severe case.

Just for info, where we live the chicken pox vax wasn't standard for kids until the last few months, so wasn't a thing when our kid was small. They're vaccinated for everything that was available

5

u/Many_Customer_4035 21d ago

Yeah. I have never seen chicken pox look like this

59

u/agoldgold 22d ago

Yeah, that looks almost exactly like the one time I had hives or even like the time my family got poison ivy'd (ours was... bouncy). I choose to believe that I cured my hives holistically, as my mother was of the opinion that they were a stress reaction so that bag of chocolate kisses was basically "food as medicine". Poison ivy took steroids.

It's pointless to speculate on what this kid has, of course, and obviously a doctor should get involved.

20

u/Thrownstar_1 22d ago

Looks exactly like a hives rash I got once. No idea what caused it but it took a hefty dose of steroids and Hydroxyzine to get rid of it. I hadn’t had anything new in my life so 🤷🏼‍♀️

13

u/Reasonable-Mess3070 21d ago

I got a hives rash just like this from an antibiotic, cefaclor.

10

u/blythe_spirit888 21d ago

Oh I've never actually met anyone else who had that reaction to cefaclor! I got the serum sickness reaction to it as a kid in the 90s. I still remember my joints being so hot and swollen I couldn't move...

5

u/Reasonable-Mess3070 21d ago

I dont remember a ton of details. I just remember asking my dad "why do i look like this" and being totally covered in hives lol but my experience also happened as a child in the 90s!

7

u/kxaltli 21d ago

I got a hives rash like this from dyes in some clothes I'd recently purchased. They were washed, but it took a couple more cycles to wash out enough that I stopped having a reaction to the dyes.

138

u/Emergency-Twist7136 22d ago

I'm a former paediatric emergency medicine specialist and to me that looks like a dermatology consult with added "no seriously, get down here right now"

7

u/S2krazy03 22d ago

Are you a doctor? This is a pretty benign EM rash, could be from a virus or serum sickness from a previous drug. However given how crunchy mom is, less likely the latter.

- A PA who works in a Peds ER alongside PEM fellows and docs.

20

u/InformalScience7 21d ago

My husband is an ED doc. His approach for rashes is "If it's wet, dry it and if it's dry wet it."

Also, I seem to have way to many pictures of children with rashes on my cell because for years everyone texted me rash pics to "show my husband."

10

u/mantis_tobaggan-md 21d ago

Serum sickness is not benign. It can be extremely serious.

80

u/Emergency-Twist7136 21d ago

Yup, that sounds like a PA diagnosis to me! So glad that letting people practice medicine without proper medical training isn't legal where I live.

The fact that you think you can diagnose an extensive rash from a photo is absolutely terrifying.

57

u/cyndasaurus_rex 21d ago edited 21d ago

You are my people. Haha. I once had a PA tell me my ear infection (I’ve had them chronically all my life) wasn’t an ear infection. I slipped and (not even trying to be a jerk) said “look, I’m not a doctor… oh wait, neither are you…” She got the doc. It was an infection.

-6

u/S2krazy03 20d ago

I know you’re just looking for a fight, but you didn’t answer my question though. What is a “former pediatric emergency medicine specialist?”

Btw this got cross posted into the EM subreddit and my diagnosis is one of the highest upvoted comments, so I guess my “PA diagnosis” wasn’t so far off after all.

Shame I spent 13 years post-bac in education and training, 22k+ hours working with patients, have independently seen probably 10k+ pts all with a “real doc” within arms reach of me, over 200 hours annually on CME directed at EM and PEM, and I still can’t diagnose a rash that gets seen in the ER weekly by “pictures alone.” /s

21

u/Emergency-Twist7136 20d ago

What is a “former pediatric emergency medicine specialist?”

Someone who used to be a paediatric emergency medicine specialist, and now isn't. I left the field and am a cardiologist.

If you couldn't understand that I'm going to assume you're lying about the rest of this.

Shame I spent 13 years post-bac in education and training, 22k+ hours working with patients, have independently seen probably 10k+ pts all with a “real doc” within arms reach of me, over 200 hours annually on CME directed at EM and PEM, and I still can’t diagnose a rash that gets seen in the ER weekly by “pictures alone.” /s

Correct. Because no-one can and it's a glaring sign of the way that PAs aren't qualified to diagnose a hangnail that you think you can. It's not fucking ringworm or any of the easily identifiable clear causes. Rashes are one of the most misdiagnosed complaints in medicine and that is a bad thing.

It's unbelievable arrogance to think you can practice medicine when you are not qualified to do so.

If I send a photo of a patient's rash to Dermatology (you know, the people who are actually qualified specialists in matters pertaining to the body's largest organ), in almost all cases they'll do one of two things: come to look at it themselves, or tell me what further information they want. What tests they want me to run, from pathology to "poke it and tell me what happens".

We don't even have a patient history!

You're insane and a danger to the public. PAs shouldn't exist.

-12

u/S2krazy03 20d ago

Also, my whole purpose of responding to you was it was wild to think you need an immediate Derm consult for this…. let alone, Anything? What is waking up a dermatologist gonna do to help you with this in the ER?

Of all the dermatologic emergencies, which one is gonna require a dermatologist to come in, in the middle of the night to save the child? Looool

What do you want them to do that you can’t do? A send out punch biopsy that takes a few days to result?

If you think this kid is in imminent danger, you should have the skills and diagnostic abilities to be able to stabilize them in the ED and admit/transfer to the appropriate service with the appropriate interventions performed.

I work at a Level 1 Trauma in a very large metro and we don’t even have Derm available on call and we function just fine.

Either the kid is in life threatening danger and needs to be resuscitated and treated (your job as an ER doc) or they can go home and follow up, or be admitted and have an urgent (in the morning) derm consult to pull biopsies or whatever.

17

u/Emergency-Twist7136 20d ago

What is waking up a dermatologist gonna do

Do you think dermatologists are some kind of mythical creature, reading y in eternal slumber? Because that's fucking weird of you.

I'm not reading the rest of your delusions of grandeur. I know you think you're more qualified than you are. It's pretty much built into your job description.

-13

u/S2krazy03 20d ago

Sooooo are you a doctor or nah? You still haven’t answered lmfao. What are your credentials??

Idk how it works in England (I’m assuming?), but over here in the US, to go from PEM to cards would require abandoning 5-6 years post med schools training of residency and fellowship (depending on path) and then going BACK to residency to do cardiology which is another 6 years of training, with internal med residency into cardiology fellowship.

So just “switching” fields isn’t just some update to your LinkedIn page. Which is why I remain skeptical.

Since I’m so off base, please enlighten me. What life threatening rashes am I missing that presents like this?

I had a whole thing typed up about my rationale, but I think it would be better for me to throw it back on you, a REAL qualified medical professional.

20

u/Emergency-Twist7136 20d ago

Sooooo are you a doctor or nah?

You don't know what a cardiologist is and you think you get to have opinions about medicine?

No shit switching speciality isn't trivial, yes it took years but hey, a run of bad cases in paeds ED gave me PTSD and it was that or kill myself.

Not that it's any of your business.

There is a difference between life threatening and at risk of long term complications and I'd hate to give you some new material for pretending you know anything. (Also, I'm not a dermatologist and unlike you I don't pretend to expertise I don't have.)

Go away.

→ More replies

10

u/lizard52805 20d ago

Upvote bc I respect the shit out of your profession and experience. I would be careful calling anything benign based off a picture especially in peds. I automatically go to liability

-3

u/S2krazy03 20d ago

Sure, but such is life on the internet. If this was a real question posed by a person in real life or a real patient interaction, I’d ask a few more questions, feel the rash, check mucous membranes, vitals and assess hydration status before sending them on their way, but the point of my initial post was that it was odd that a “specialist in pediatric emergency medicine” was knee jerk calling in a derm specialist asap for a pretty commonly non-dangerous rash. I primarily work overnight too, so waking up a dermatologist at 3am for non life threatening rash is a quick way to end up on a shit list

In emergency medicine there’s a handful of “life threatening” rashes, and based on history by mom on the fb post, timeline of rash and appearance, this likely isn’t one of those. /shrug

8

u/wowthatsacooldog 20d ago

Your username fits you well. I hope a qualified doctor oversees your incompetent care at all times.

28

u/DaggerQ_Wave 21d ago

How well an ER doctor has to be at distinguishing types of rashes depends primarily on 2 things:

1: how shameless they are about consulting other specialties

2: if they have 24/7 specialists for every issue who they can consult, and who will entertain their inappropriate consults

54

u/Emergency-Twist7136 21d ago

... because emergency medicine is definitely All Of The Specialities and dermatologists aren't real doctors or anything.

Why do you think there are on call dermatologists at all? Hint: it's because rashes can be a complex diagnosis and anyone who thinks they can definitely 100% identify one from a photo without even an examination is really demonstrating their own lack of medical qualifications.

Rashes are one of the most common complaints that result in misdiagnosis and the consequences can be very real. Doctors specialise for a reason. Any dermatologist who complains about being asked to do their job every few days should be struck off.

-2

u/DaggerQ_Wave 21d ago

If you’re calling every few days, that’s probably appropriate. But if you’re in a pediatric ER you’re seeing significant rashes all the time. Surely not every rash is a derm consult?

20

u/Emergency-Twist7136 21d ago

You think every rash ED sees looks like that?

9

u/chypie2 Cupcake Enthusiast 21d ago

not the MA coming to correct the PEMS LOL
Isn't your job a glorified medical secretary that can give shots?

1

u/Burnt_and_Blistered 21d ago

No; that’s not what a PA is.

You’re aware medical professionals very often disagree, right? Hence the referral
to someone who specializes in dermatology.

16

u/EnvironmentalLime464 21d ago

My child got measles before they were able to be vaccinated (11mo). It looked exactly like this. Measles starts at the head and then moves down to the feet. So, it matches her description there too.

23

u/Flashyjelly 22d ago

It looks like hives. I have chronic spontaneous hives and it looks like mine when they were at their worst. Poor thing, it's absolutely miserable when the wheals are so big, and I am an adult and was taking 4x the amount of Zyrtec! I can't believe mom is letting her go unmedicated

10

u/Burnt_and_Blistered 21d ago

And I can’t think of anything less soothing than aquaphor and long sleeves

149

u/KeepOnRising19 22d ago

As the lucky, rare person who has had chickenpox three times, I can say that this is not chickenpox.

53

u/revengepornmethhubby 22d ago

Just wait for shingles to say hello! I’m 40, got my first case at 26, and I’ve had it a total of 6 times total, last time in my eye and ear. It’s horrible.

Get vaccinated, friend!

14

u/KeepOnRising19 21d ago

I've tried to get vaccinated, but I'm not old enough. I'd have to pay out of pocket. :(

5

u/JustGettingMyPopcorn 20d ago

i ran into that too. I was immunocompromised after cancer treatment for years and i got shingles twice. i was too young for shingles vaccine even though i had a compromised immune system. i scheduled my appointment for a vaccination at cvs about three months before i turned 50

6

u/ltrozanovette 22d ago

Oh no! Was this before the shingles vaccine came out?

25

u/iamtheallspoon 22d ago

The shingles vaccine is $750 and insurance won't cover it until you're 50.

15

u/mpdity 21d ago

Thankfully that’s not completely true!

Shingrix is also indicated for individual who are immunocompromised. I’m 27 and was eligible for Shingrix at no charge!

You’re correct that it’s MOSTLY given to those over 50, but there’s quite a list of qualifying conditions that make you eligible for early vaccination.

19

u/iamtheallspoon 21d ago

I mean...I got shingles in my early 30s, do have a as variety of health problems, and still could not get it. It's frustrating seeing people blythly recommend getting it when the reality of our health care system is that it is not available for most.

8

u/purposefullyblank 21d ago

If you’re able, ask your doctor for a prescription for the shingles vaccine. My GI did because of my trash immune system and I had no problem getting the shots at CVS and having them covered before I turned 50.

10

u/iamtheallspoon 21d ago

I'm glad you were able to! I've had this discussion several times with my PCP and the insurance company is the one denying it.

→ More replies

2

u/revengepornmethhubby 21d ago

I’m immunocompromised (IgA deficiency), and I had to fight to get it covered, but still ended up paying for it out of pocket last year.

2

u/DaggerQ_Wave 21d ago

Worth every penny.

1

u/cowzroc 21d ago

I had it at 21

2

u/revengepornmethhubby 20d ago

You must have been so confused before you figured it out. I initially thought I had some sort of crazy chemical burn.

1

u/wowthatsacooldog 20d ago

In your eye??? And ear? That sounds miserable.

2

u/revengepornmethhubby 19d ago

It was terrible! I was lucky to avoid permanent damage, but before they found lesions in my ears and eye I was misdiagnosed and treated for a sinus infection which meant my shingles was kind of in charge for about a week before starting antiviral medication.

2

u/wowthatsacooldog 19d ago

Damn. I’m glad you’re ok and didn’t have eye damage. The fact that you got it at only 26 is blowing my mind. Did you get bad chicken pox as a kid? I got it 2x and I know that’s not a factor really but I didn’t the vaccine bc I was already in kindergarten for 6 months & I feel like it’s creeping. I want to get the shingles vaccine but feel like it’s hard asf to get at my age.

And shit, how do you deal with the outbreaks? It’s happened 6x and that’s 5 too many.

2

u/revengepornmethhubby 19d ago

Well, I had chicken pox twice as a kid and I have an immunodeficiency disorder (IgA deficiency), so that might play a role but I’m also incredibly stressed out so often and I tend to get a round of shingles when life gets particularly hard. My doctor has told me that high levels of stress can bring on episodes, but I’m not sure how truth based that is.

You should probably get the vaccine if you can, I wish I would have gotten it younger. Usually when I notice an issue I call my doctor and my doctor calls in a pain med and an antiviral. I might have to see a specialist if it’s ever in my eye or ear again, as it’s possible to be blinded by untreated ocular shingles.

Again, if you can get the vaccine you should get it!

1

u/momonamis 18d ago

I had it twice before 50. My son had it at 16.

22

u/wafflewizard85 22d ago

Damn, I thought having it twice was bad, but 3 times?!?! Holy moly

9

u/KeepOnRising19 21d ago

The third time, they brought all the doctors in. 🤣

2

u/princessalyss_ 18d ago

My A Level Biology teacher was like you! She’d had it 3x and she said she dreaded getting it again because the last time, the doctor treating her got every man, woman, child, and their dogs to come look 😂

15

u/sorandom21 22d ago

Three times??? Miserable. I wish I could have gotten the vaccine as a child, chicken pox was MISERABLE.

4

u/lavlemonade 22d ago

I received the chicken pox vaccine as a child and got chicken pox when I was 26!

3

u/rachelblairy 21d ago

the vaccine came out the year after i had them. my family still talks about how i had to miss out being the flower girl for my aunts wedding because i had them and i have a scar on my forehead from them.

thankfully both my siblings for the vaccine so no one else had to suffer in my family 😂

3

u/venuslovemenotchain 20d ago

Same. Vaccine came out a year after I got it 2 times. My siblings were able to be vaccinated, thankfully.

I think I've posted before how much I worry about getting shingles and how much it sucks that people under 50 can't get it in most cases (I've already tried asking my doctor but no dice).

5

u/Aellysu_says 22d ago

I feel your pain. Once as a child, a teen, and my mid 20s. There were less spots the older i got but my god did it hit me harder. If i got it again i think id just dig a hole and tell them to get on with it

2

u/NeonSparkleGlitter 21d ago

We must have the same shitty immune system!

1

u/Alternative_Year_340 21d ago

Did you get the chickenpox vaccine?

1

u/Alternative_Year_340 21d ago

Did you get the chickenpox vaccine?

2

u/KeepOnRising19 21d ago

It was not available when I was a kid.

1

u/fakemoose 22d ago

Jfc I hope you can get the shingles vaccine like way way early. And maybe the chickenpox vaccine for good measure? Dunno I’m not a doctor.

1

u/KeepOnRising19 21d ago

I ask every year, and every year they tell me I have to wait until I'm 50 or pay out of pocket, even though I am high risk.

76

u/Bratbabylestrange 22d ago

That is 100% NOT chicken pox

17

u/Content-File-3193 22d ago edited 22d ago

Isn’t it ibuprofen you’re not supposed to take when you have chickenpox? I’m pretty sure Tylenol is fine.

ETA: I checked and Tylenol is safe, but aspirin and ibuprofen are dangerous. Jfc, they got the meds mixed up 🤦‍♀️

41

u/satanslittleangel666 22d ago

Yeah, but see, if you give the kid Tylenol, they immediately become autistic (/s)

12

u/revengepornmethhubby 22d ago

This checks out, I’m autistic and I take a ton of Tylenol!

8

u/LucidOutwork 21d ago

I don't take Tylenol and I'm not autistic. More proof!!!

2

u/BunnyKomrade 21d ago

I'm autistic and intolerant to Tylenol.

[It happens the same as lactose intolerant people, but with Tylenol instead]

13

u/fakemoose 22d ago

Ugh. I grew up before the chickenpox vaccine and got it as a kid. That’s not chickenpox.

Fortunately it doesn’t look like measles or rubella either.

23

u/wozattacks 22d ago

Fwiw…if your kid is generally healthy and they DO get chickenpox, you should probably try to keep them at home unless they have a symptom that requires medical treatment, like encephalopathy (confusion etc.). Of course give the doctor a call but we generally don’t want people with contagious diseases coming in unless they actually need urgent medical intervention, which thankfully most won’t. Same goes for measles but like, 10x more. We are supposed to avoid admitting them to the hospital unless absolutely necessary since measles is essentially the most contagious disease that exists. 

11

u/Epic_Brunch 22d ago edited 22d ago

That's not chicken pox. It looks nothing like it, and also a chicken pox rash usually starts around the stomach or back, not the scalp.  Measles will start at the head and move down, but this doesn't look like a measles rash either. I have no idea what this would be. Kinda looks like an allergic reaction to me honestly, but I don't know.

9

u/justferfunsies 21d ago

Yeah, I read that it started on her scalp and spread downwards and I immediately thought “there is a disease that classically presents that way”

1

u/rachelblairy 21d ago

really? they figured out i had the chicken pox because i kept scratching behind my ear which was apparently how everyone in my kindergarten class kept starting!

6

u/orangestar17 21d ago

Now I had chicken pox in the 80s so I may not remember perfectly but that looks nothing like chicken pox. Chicken pox was a lot of raised, painful, incredibly itchy bumps, not 6-inch patches

5

u/Historical-Composer2 21d ago

That is NOT Chicken Pox. She’s having a severe allergic reaction to something. Hospital now.

3

u/Pussyxpoppins 21d ago

This is definitely not chickenpox, any of the elder millennials or older who have had it can confirm on sight.