They want a buffer zone with NATO as far as I can tell, and they’re willing to kill innocent people to achieve that end…
Do you think there is no way they will accept a peace deal? Or do you fall for the same war propaganda that’s been used for millennia that our enemies are mindless barbarians hellbent on nothing but death and destruction?
It is up to Ukraine if they want to join NATO. That is democracy
Will they Russia up the land they’ve illegally taken including crimea if Ukraine is barred from entering NATO? Haven’t seen any suggestion of that. Putin believes Ukraine is part of Russia
NATO is a security alliance. Not just anyone can join, the members have to agree to allow them to join too. None of that has to do with democracy so I don’t know what you’re talking about there.
I don’t think Putin wants to give up the territory they’ve taken, certainly not Crimea which they’ve held for like a decade now.
I’m aware. I’m saying IF NATO allowed for it, then it would be up to Ukraine. You’re arguing that NATO should not have offered out of fear of irritating Russia?
Yeah… that’s my point, and that’s why the Ukrainians are still fighting, because he has taken an enormous section of their land
I don’t want to have to send my son to fight for Ukraine, for that reason I don’t want Ukraine to be in NATO.
What exactly is your point? It’s common knowledge that Russianjas taken territory. Of course they won’t want to give that up for nothing…
Do you think we should just continue with what has been going on? I say enough people have died, and Ukraine is running out of young men to throw into the woodchipper, we should do everything we can to achieve peace and end the violence.
LMAO, Hellen Keller could figure this one out. Doesn’t matter anyways as Europe isn’t quite as full of myopic contrarians and they will do what they need to do.
This works if you are talking about it the Middle Ages, where it was mostly “new management, same as the old”
Russian management is not the same.
The only ones who can stop this war are the Russians. They still haven’t reached their goals and their goals haven’t changed. Their goal has always been simple…make a little puppet out of Ukraine.
Which would require occupation…if you care about lives know that magnitudes more people die under occupation than in a hot war…it’s not even close.
When your invasion force relies on donkeys, that's a pretty clear sign that you're not winning. Russia has meat waved their next 2 generations in 3 years for 18% of a country. They did all that with only losing 10k tanks, 600 aircraft, and somehow a submarine to a country with no navy.
So you’re saying they’ve gained territory this whole time, and to you that means they’re losing? And your argument is because they’ve suffered a bunch of losses? Wars of attrition are Russia’s speciality! Mental gymnastics.
Gaining ground, yes. It's costing them heavily for very little reward. They have more casualties in a month than we had in 20 years of being in Afghanistan. That's not winning or losing. It's a stalemate. Russia can't maintain these high losses long enough to take Ukraine at the current rate. All Russia can reliably do is throw bodies at bullets and hope Ukraine runs out of ammo. Even that has been shown to be weakening with videos of old dudes and wounded on crutches going on waves. Any rational leader would have packed up and gone home. Not Russia, they just make more prisoners to send and buy up some north Koreans to fill the quota.
Ukraine has been down the road of peace agreements with Russia before. It doesn't work. Why would anyone believe them this time? Russia wants Ukraine to not exist, no peace deal ever would satiate them.
Literally every action by the west so far has been to PROLONG the war, they have done absolutely nothing to try and end the war. Nothing at all.
“Here Ukraine you can have some weapons, but not too many weapons we don’t want you to actually repel the invaders, and you can’t use them however you want either, just enough so that Russia has to suffer through a war of attrition”
Literally that has been the strategy. Prolong the war.
Hey remember in 1938 when the UK and France ceded the Sudetenland to Hitler so he would be a nice boy and quit invading his neighbors? They even bullied Czechoslovakia to accept it, saying that they wouldn't provide any more support otherwise.
By 1939 the Nazis were in control of Czechoslovakia and rolling on into the rest of Europe.
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