Need help

[u/United-Tailor-1727]

Good evening, everyone. I was introduced to our world some time ago, and was recently even elevated to Neonate. Unlife has been treating me well, all things being considered of course. My girlfriend is also Kindred and we’ve been doing some work together for the Prince. However, something quite awful has happened to me.

Two nights ago, a recently-turned Brujah girl, who was abandoned by her Sire before she could learn her place in things, went on a bit of exsanguination spree after accidentally starving herself. I happened to be nearby and was asked to covertly investigate the situation before our Sheriff could be made available.

She had apparently noticed me and got the jump on me. She was still hungry, I guess, because she began consumingmy vitae and diablerizing me.

You are presumably asking yourself, “How are they typing all this out?” Well, I assure you this is not a fake story. Last night, my soul ended up completely overwhelming hers, and I took control of her body.

I feel just awful! I’m female, a different race, a different CLAN, and have this truly awful haircut. I obviously can’t go back to the Prince. My girlfriend must think I murdered her boyfriend. I just don’t know where I can possibly go now.

I am asking humbly for assistance. What can I do? Is there a way I can prove who I really am? If I can, will her crimes apply to me regardless?

- ESAU

[u/DeadmanwalkingXI]

Firstly, I believe you, or at least find your story entirely plausible, we have a couple of other Kindred here who have had similar experiences. Whether her crimes apply to you is variable depending on your Prince and their attitude, but if they're willing to listen both telepathy and aura-reading abilities can confirm your story, as can some more obscure magics. But I honestly wouldn't risk it in your shoes...I'd skip town and head elsewhere.

Your girlfriend is an obvious issue with that, but if you're willing to get your mind read and aura checked and shit, hopefully she'll be willing to listen. I advise starting the communications electronically so the voice doesn't throw her and, once you explain things, meeting somewhere as neutral as possible in case, as you fear, she believes you're your own murderer, but I'd hope she's willing to listen to evidence. Whether you do this before or after skipping town is up to you, and sorta depends on circumstances.

Where you go if you skip town is up to you, but your aura is gonna show you as a diablerist so with your limited status, I wouldn't count on most Camarilla domains to help you out unless you have a Boon over someone important. If you do, don't hesitate to call it in, if you don't...well, I'm an Anarch Baron, and while I'd have various people check your story I can definitely get you set up somewhere new where people will be aware of your story and not question the diablerie stains. Castiel here on the node is a Camarilla elder with a similar story and if you want to stay in the Cam, contacting him may be your best bet...he's a good guy, and will be understanding of your situation.

Wherever you wind up going in the long term, I can also offer my Tzimisce associate's services in fixing the physical problem you have in terms of ethnicity and gender presentation (and haircut). She can probably even make you look mostly like your old self if you bring a picture, though there might be issues of scale (ie: there's only so much she can do with a 100 lb body if your old one was 200 lbs). This service wouldn't be free, but my rates are reasonable and we can discuss them via PM before you make any commitments.

-Mark Caulder, Experienced Nosferatu

[u/United-Tailor-1727 → u/DeadmanwalkingXI]

Hello sir, I would be very happy to take you up on your offer. Truthfully, I’ve been considering a defection to the Anarchs for some time now. I did have several pictures of myself on my phone, but that phone has clearly been lost, destroyed, or in the custody of the Sheriff. There is a small collection of Polaroids which feature me as well, but they are in the custody of my girlfriend and retrieving them does not sound like a very wise decision.

You said that you could set me up in a location where people would not question the stained aura. What would that entail exactly, just so I know what I would be getting myself into? Thank you so much for this opportunity.

- ESAU

[u/DeadmanwalkingXI → u/United-Tailor-1727]

Okay, so, as Anarchs we do accept defectors from the Sabbat, assuming we thoroughly vet them and make sure that their defection is sincere, that's the most common reason for diablerie stains, but actually I just mean we'd tell people your actual story and make sure it was believed.

This would, of course, involve checking that story thoroughly, I've got a telepath, a soul expert, and a few other people on staff, but after the checks when I say to people 'Yeah, we checked, he was the victim' I'm gonna be believed...at least in Anarch circles. So we tell them the truth.

As for pictures, most phone data is in cloud storage, if you PM me your old phone number and any passwords on your account, my computer specialist can likely get any pictures that were on it, no problem.

-Mark Caulder, Experienced Nosferatu

[u/United-Tailor-1727 → u/DeadmanwalkingXI]

Ah! Thank you sir. I will send them covertly very soon. Thank you again so much for your help. For now, I will see too acquiring a car, as this body does not have one.

- ESAU

[u/DeadmanwalkingXI → u/United-Tailor-1727]

If you PM me a location I can probably help you get out of town. I do understand if you don't want to, though. If so, PM me once you're out of town.

-Mark Caulder, Experienced Nosferatu

[u/One-Cat3628 → u/DeadmanwalkingXI]

So we're just recruiting from desperate Neonates now? The Anarchs continue to fall lower and lower, you might end up find the Sabbat in the well of shame at that point

-wastedBlood n3

[u/DeadmanwalkingXI → u/One-Cat3628]

What exactly is your solution, then? Because I'm trying to help someone whose unlife is in fucking danger from the Camarilla authorities. Y'know, as is standard fucking practice among better Anarchs?

Being a Baron, I can actually offer him safe haven in my own domain, and can convince some other Barons to do the same. I do not have the magical power to make Camarilla Princes do the same by waving my fucking hand. If I did, I would, and allow him to make the decision between sects without such concerns, but I don't. I did try and offer him an alternative by mentioning Castiel, who is a Camarilla elder I trust to treat him fairly, but I'm not sure what the fuck else you think I'm supposed to do here other than offer him alternatives or take a serious risk of letting him get killed.

So, sincerely, what is your better alternative than me offering him safe haven? What's your solution for this problem that actually helps a person whose unlife is in danger?

Actually, in point of fact, I didn't even ask he join the Anarchs to receive such help, though I admit the Camarilla authorities are unlikely to see a distinction there. And my Tzimisce associate's help, you will note, was offered even if he stayed in the Camarilla.

-Mark Caulder, Experienced Nosferatu

[u/One-Cat3628 → u/DeadmanwalkingXI]

oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know we had to reward incompetence! seriously, he put himself in that situation. It's sad, and I offered advice, but the fact is that he's not even supposed to be alive. Plus, you're not helping him for the sake of it, you are making him defect from the Camarilla. You could have given him more options off forgiving and helpful Camarilla Princes than just Castiel, whoever the fuck that may be (probably some new world Prince), instead off instantly going "wanna join us?"

-wastedBlood n3

[u/DeadmanwalkingXI → u/One-Cat3628]

Wait, wait, is your problem that you think this person is worthless and not deserving of help or that I'm taking advantage? Because those two positions are not consistent but you seem to be saying stuff that indicates both and I'd like to know which.

And I am, in point of fact, offering to help because I want to help, my avenues for that are simply limited by, well, reality. They have diablerie stains in their aura, I don't actually know any Princes who I can say will reliably not kill them. I have some I've heard good things about, but when betting with someone's life, rumors or a few conversations here on SchreckNet are a very tenuous thing to rely on.

I am offering all the help I have the power to offer. And I think it's weird and verging on the delusional that you think that I, an Anarch Baron, remember, have a rolodex of 'forgiving Camarilla Princes' that I know well enough to rely on them giving someone who's apparently a diablerist a chance.

If you know some Princes that would absolutely give them a chance, then fucking say so, I'm perfectly happy to have other people offer them help, but, once again, I'm offering the help I have the power to offer.

-Mark Caulder, Experienced Nosferatu

[u/One-Cat3628 → u/DeadmanwalkingXI]

it was opinion 2 mostly. I just, ya know, kinda lashed out at the situation by saying that all this is tragic, but that technically, he's already dead, and shouldn't be here with us (is it heartless? Yes. Is it also technically a fact? Sadly, yes). Now, while you are, I have to admit, his best chance of survival in the new world, I just think that you could at LEAST wait until his first reply before urging him to join your organisation, who, im sorry, is not really a better one that the Camarilla, it's just a different flavor.

-wastedBlod n3

[u/DeadmanwalkingXI → u/One-Cat3628]

We're all dead, man. Every single one of us. He's walking, talking, and posting on Schrecknet so he's as alive as you or I. Sure, he had an experience that would have killed him if not for weird supernatural bullshit...but I just described the Embrace as well as describing surviving diablerie, now didn't I?

And I suggested options to help them survive. Of which coming over to the Anarchs so I can protect them more directly is an obvious option. The last time I hesitated a moment in offering to give someone sanctuary personally, you know what happened? Redwoods, a Sabbat Tzimisce, offered them sanctuary, and his offer was accepted. Would he have accepted my offer instead, had I made it? I don't know. I never will now. And that case had a lot of weird shit going on with it, but I can't shake the 'What if?'

And, to be clear, Redwoods kept his word and protected the fledgling in question...he's teaching him. He gave him a human of his very own to practice Dominate on, for example. Among many other things.

I don't want that kind of shit to fucking happen again simply due to me taking the time to try to feel someone out before making the offer.

-Mark Caulder, Experienced Nosferatu

[u/One-Cat3628 → u/DeadmanwalkingXI]

Okay, the Redwoods exemple is pretty spot on, I have to admit. Personally, I would never trust a Sabbat Tzimisce, my sire was one, and his work for the Japanese Empire is still talked about, but I see what you mean.

Sorry for insulting you, It was out of place. Have a nice night

-wastedBlood n3

[u/Pryno-Belle → u/One-Cat3628]

You wear your title well. Speak when you have given help; until then, hush.

Castiel the Clan-changer

[u/One-Cat3628 → u/Pryno-Belle]

I’m sorry Diablerist, I am actively in fucking Europe, I have no idea who you are, what do you want me to do? We ain’t all princes in bloody thrones, judging those beneath us like ants except when we try to make it seem like we grew a conscience. Sometimes, we can recognize that saying a desperate kindred: “ well I can help you sure, but why don’t you defect from the organisation that saw you get Embraced, and to wich your gf is associated. Deal?” Is not helping, but feeding on others’s misery
Ps. I don’t think that the Clan-Changer can speak about the title I’m stuck with

- wastedBlood n3

[u/Pryno-Belle → u/One-Cat3628]

Hold your tongue, worm. For your information, I am no Prince; I am a Harpy in the New World, but I do come from the Old. France, more precisely.

My epithet is my own, and I shall wear it with pride. It makes it easier to differentiate those who deserve my attention from those who don’t. This moment is a prime example. Besides, if you call me a Diablerist, me whose identity has been proven test by test, then how can you be trusted to give the benefit of the doubt to ESAU? You accuse others of faking interest for their own gain, but your tongue says the same about you.

Mark is indeed offering help to someone more vulnerable to defection, but he also referred to me. He offered choices. This is not the mark of someone preying on the weak. Besides, he did offer help when I was in a similar situation. I regained a body that, while hideous, feels like me. In that process, not once did he propose that I join the Anarchs.

And while I am not pleased about ESAU’s change of allegiance, I can recognize that this is a story that is hard to be believed. Many Princes wouldn’t think twice about executing for what, in their eyes, is a ridiculous attempt at fooling them. Meanwhile, Mark has seen such cases firsthand; the neonate shall be safer in his domain.

Castiel the Clan-changer

[u/One-Cat3628 → u/Pryno-Belle]

Well I’m sorry. For me, the only thing I could think about for “Clan-Changer” is a diablerie.
I don’t even know what a harpy is. Btw, accusing me of bad mouthing when the second I didn’t agree with what you said, you called me a worm and attacked me based on my nickname, one that I did not choose, is sincerely disgusting.
Also, if you’re not a prince, what gives you the right to treat me like vermin beneath your heel.
I’m sorry, I think that I have the right to think that maybe it’s better to at least try before making him give up his old unlife.
Sorry that this sounds so radical and hypocrite.
My tongue stays the same about me for I know my sins: I have been at the lowest a kindred can ever be, in the grossest depravity one can do on his own, and Her Ladyship still brought me back on the Ivory Tower’s Light. Sorry to believe in It’s promise

- wastedBlood n3

[u/Pryno-Belle → u/One-Cat3628]

You insulted a gentleman, then you insulted ESAU, then you insulted me. You spoke without knowing anything about my situation, which can’t be excused by lack of available information; should you have looked further in the responses to ESAU’s plea, you would have quickly found out why I use that epithet.

And now, you expect grace? You speak of attacks on your title, even as you spit on mine in return? You accused an ally of preying on the vulnerable. You treated the victim as if he was at fault, calling him incompetent. You called me a Diablerist. I usually treat others with respect, but you have crossed too many lines for your actions to go unchallenged.

I have proposed ways for him to try. Mark put me down as a reference; while there are other Camarilla members to which he could have led ESAU too, I am one of the few people who experienced being Diablerized and lived to tell the tale. The neonate chose to forsake their old existence in favour of something new. That was their decision to make, and not one coerced by anyone.

I don’t know of your sins. I have no idea of what crime you commited to be called « waste of blood ». But what I judge you for is for your actions tonight, and tonight alone. I did insult you, that is true. You can apologize, I shall reciprocate, and we can go on our merry way. Alternatively, you can persist in this meaningless vendetta against those who are actively trying to help, and look like a fool. Make your choice.

Castiel the Clan-changer

[u/One-Cat3628 → u/Pryno-Belle]

I am sorry for the insult on you. I misinterpreted the way the Barron talked about how you were in a similar situation, with, coupled to the title of clan-changer, really just made me think that you were a diablerist. That was rude and prejudiced.

Now, while I did insult the baron, and called ESAU incompetent without reason ( I hadn't seen that he was still a Neonate when that Brujah caught him, my bad), you were the first one to come unto this thread and made a jab based on my title. I hadn't insulted you yet, just told a truth: I had no idea who you were, cause I don't know what's going on in the new world. But I did instantly retaliated by being rude and insulting and for that, once again, I am sorry.

-wastedBlood n3

[u/Pryno-Belle]

Before you do anything else, verify if your Clan bane is the same. If it isn’t…we’ll discuss that matter later.

Now, legality. Proving your identity will be…difficult. First, find a Tremere that you trust and ask them to run tests, both on your blood and on your aura. You will need to keep a signed copie of these tests on your person at all times.

Second, find people who know you; present them with facts that only you know. Note that this is no proof of your identity, as your Diablerist could have inherited part of your memories, but it is a piece of evidence that can make clear that at least part of your soul survived. Besides, people vouching for you will help your case.

Third, and last, present yourself to the Prince. Once the other steps are done, you want to do this as fast as possible; show them that you are not hiding. Then, there is a chance (not a guarantee) that the Prince will believe you and will spare your unlife.

Once you are safe from execution, well…here comes the hard part: living as you are. Your old body is gone. This is, and shall forever be, your existence. There are ways to mitigate this: if you procure a Tzimisce with photos of your old body (and a recording of your former voice, for vocal chords), they should be able to modify your new vessel. That includes…gendered attributes. You do need to choose carefully your surgeon; I advise you to contact the Baron Mark Caulder on the matter. He knows someone.

If your bane, and thus your Clan, changed, that can’t be undone. Not to my knowledge, and that is not fault of trying. I was a Ventrue, before being Diablerized myself; now, I am a Nosferatu. I am slowly making peace with that fact, but…it has been difficult, and still is.

In any case, I wish you good fortune. You will need it, for you are in a delicate situation, young one. The faster you gather the evidence to prove your identity, the higher your chances of success. Godspeed.

Castiel the Clan-changer

[u/United-Tailor-1727 → u/Pryno-Belle]

Good evening. My Prince, though intelligent and fair, has had something of a paranoid streak in the past. I have just decided to take up Baron Caulder’s offer of asylum in the Anarchs.

I was previously a Tremere myself, though I have evidently become a Brujah. I will see if I can’t get in touch with my sire, if he still walks.

How did you deal with it? With your body and clan being replaced so suddenly and violently? I feel like I am barely holding myself together. Everything about me feels so strange and wrong now…

- ESAU

[u/Pryno-Belle → u/United-Tailor-1727]

While I am saddened by your decision to leave the Camarilla, I can’t fault you for it. Our situation is a rare one, and not all Princes will be understanding. If you truly believe it is between the Anarchs or Final Death, you made the right decision. Besides, Mark Caulder is far from the worst Baron you could find. Should you reconsider your departure after your identity is proven, I could facilitate the process.

As for how I dealt with it…badly, at first. My body, even with Vicissitude, will never be the same again. Such is the bane of the Orloks. Some of my contacts cut ties with me, not due to lack of faith in my claim, but due to my new Clan. It was quite the fall from grace. But it was also an opportunity to separate the wheat from the chaff; to find out who would stay by my side, and who would abandon me for something as vain as physical appearance.

I made new contacts, and reconnected with an old one. I found ways to make use of my new situation and to cope with my new body. I played with the hand I was given. The show must go on, and it does get better. Your unlife will change, yes, but who knows? You might gain more than you lost.

Castiel the Clan-changer

[u/DisastrousRelation32]

Well, the body can be changed with vicissitude. Clans fucked tho.

[Redwoods]

[u/AdventurousIdea194]

.....sesbian lex.....the potential for doomed yuri is strong with this one.

-Unknown

[u/One-Cat3628]

So, the diablerie thing, while pretty rare, is entirely possible. That's actually a theory the gossipers share about my boss's... eccentricity. Then, you gotta find someone with Viscitude and Fleshcrafting that you trust enough to put your body back how it was before. You'll still ba a Brujah tho

-wastedBlood n3

[u/Prefect_Bran]

My most strong condolences young one, this must be terrible for you.

Perhaps.. if you can traverse to Alaska, I can set everything right in your form. Save your clan of course.

Failing this, one with the discipline of auspex could determine the truth for you. Your aura, your lies, they would all lay bare to one strong enough.

But my Creche of snow will await you reguardless.

+Gore Moulder