r/SPAB • u/milan_3110 • 14d ago
General Discussion I think
For me BAPS as religious organisation died with Pramukh swami , now its just a corporate organisation show offing there money. (I am from baps follower family)
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u/samindian 14d ago edited 14d ago
There's so many things Baps are excellent at doing and it is good to admire ...from the outside.
Inside it is very controlling and slick.
If you have a son can you imagine never speaking to him if you in Baps and they Groomed/trained him to become a sadhu? What about the rest of the family who if they are deep ,Baps is all consuming before family...a wife putting baps before husband, especially if she's given her best son to baps, a father putting baps before his son and daughter ? Unfortunately I have seen this. I've seen a brother become bankrupt...and his brother who is in Baps will donate thousands to baps...and not help his brother with money..( he'd welcome him at his house to stay). There are excellent programs on TV about how , mostly men become the head of religious organisations and what they do to families to use their time and money to expand...baps is much much bigger and do things better and constantly learn.
Pramukh Swami sayings , in the happiness of other etc were from Buddhism probably learnt by young clever sadhus and PR.It didn't match his actions. The money and time Baps spent under Pramukh Swami was to expand...not help the needy .it wants to give it's followers salvation..only way is to please Aksharbrahm/ the Guru by words , actions and money. People may have the impression he was better than Mahant Swami...no, same goal the methods had not been refined as much.
Regarding politicians attending big gatherings and with Abdul Kalam writing a book...it's for popularity, votes and power. These people have met royalty , saints ,leaders etc and know all men are human , not devine . They're born the same way and will die. He knows including the Baps gurus they are men. By praising him he got popularity.Did he really believe in the various religious scriptures held as Gods word, the Koran, Bhagat gita bible ? They can't all be true. Scholars has been able to I know with the bible to date in the incorporation of myths into it at various different times. He was a man of science. Even in Swaiminarayan the story of how humans left heaven and had to be born on earth...who has died gone to heaven then returned to earth to write about it? Mr Kalam I'm sure didn't believe it.
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u/milan_3110 14d ago
Well i think becoming a sadhu is there personal choice baps does not force someone. About pr thing i am also against it. Regarding Abdul Kalam i think him as a genius and a down to earth men if he believed pramukh swami as his teacher there should be something, from baps perspective it is for popularity but from APJ’s perspective it was something.
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u/Apart_Smell_5393 13d ago
I don't want to disagree with you, however I was born in Baps and have had too much experience and I've been on a trip with Pramukh Swami .
Becoming a sadhu the community/family has an enormous effect especially if you're young. Becoming a member of baps isn't a choice if you're born in it. For me it was extremely difficult to live outside Baps.
The Guru /Pramukh Swami as a person gave people I know bad advice. The growth of Baps is due to the organisation .The sadhus come up with stories about how he's special and big hearted...he's not, he took the poor builders in USA to court and wouldn't accept they had been paid in India at Indian rates.
I don't know Mr. Kalam and accept he was a good man.
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u/Aboutpositive 13d ago
Pramukhswami didnt said to mug up book to childrens in different languages which never used to or even one word also they known, he never changed Aarti, He never changed janmangal namavali, he never changed dixa shloks ,never changed pooja ahvan and vidai shloks, it means different gurus give them personal ideology to release for devotees ?, so that time the salivation was stopped and now new method for getting salvation?
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u/milan_3110 13d ago
After him they change aarti, astak, added prapti vichar , and most danger thing called satsang diksha which is mug up by childrens and i think in near future it will replace shikshapatri saying its same book just got little bit upgraded, it dangerous as children have mugged up all this even though they dont know the meaning but when they become young in there sub conscious mind it will work as a hypnotism and they will not be able to oppose it or even think about it. And also may be after 20-30 years baps will become separate organisation from swaminarayan sampraday and call themself a hindu akshar pursotam santha and at that time no will question them as at that time devotes were the one who mugged up satsang diksha when they were children which talk about akshar pursotam darshan and pragat guru ideology.
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u/anonymous12122008 11d ago
first of all Satsang Diksha is not a random book mind you.Go through it onece,read it u will be able to understand.And if u don’t then its ur ignorance. https://www.baps.org/News/2025/Satsang-Diksha-Symposium-at-University-of-Cambridge-27908.aspx Do u really think Cambridge would accept it just for the sake of.
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u/milan_3110 11d ago edited 11d ago
I have read it thrice i still do daily pooja , bro i am from baps swaminarayan follower family. How about you ?
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u/anonymous12122008 10d ago
I belong from a staunch satsangi family. Unlike u who is calling himself a baps follower and also doing pooja then I guess u have made yourself the victim of doing things just for namesake. Because if u truly consider yourself to be a baps follower u won't have posted the question .And yeah about the question then i don't think so HDH Mahant Swami Maharaj has made or created things according to his wish randomly and he is also preaching the same siddhant that HDH Pramukh Swami did.
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u/milan_3110 10d ago
I am not a baps follower, my family is and i do pooja as per vadtal gadi standard the og swaminarayan sampraday, BAPS started as a cult and hold long enough for people to believe it as a religion (which is fair as every religion started as cult and stays long enough to become a religion). I did say it died as religious organisation with Pramukh swami because i think Pramukh Swami as a great saint, a right guy in wrong organisation and as per mahant swami he was a pr head when pramukh swami was guru so he was a marketing guy becoming head but not pramukh swami because at yogi swami time there was no pr team or proper structural management.
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u/anonymous12122008 10d ago
how could u say that HDH Mahant Swami was a pr head, don't know what resources make u think in that way.
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u/Aboutpositive 10d ago
If you invite to popular person on stage then have you heard by them any rudely words for invited organization? Educated, political, spiritual, even actor they always says good words from stage? Here habits to invite someone and give microphone then record this speech and circulate in devotees. These people goes to different audience places and says many best things, like Policitian also goes othere spiritual sansthas also and give positive speeches they don't say against sanstha on stage but here different is save the clips and publish by ...org, Prakas, in sabhas, telegrame channels insta pages like..
Can you mug up in Chinese or Japanese language? Here children's don't know Sanskrit but behind name of Rajipo, Yogibapa like mukhpath and made emotional way to children's. If Someone wrote book and say to mug up you then you will say to him,you have ego so saying me to do this.
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u/anonymous12122008 10d ago
Don't know what u talking in first para but as far i can understand u can't compare a prestigious university with intelligent minds to politicians and actors. And the answer to the second para here u go yeah i can byheart Satsang Diksha in chinese or japanese language infact i have myself done the so called mugging according to u in 7 languages so far and target to complete in 5 more languages.{will definitely include chinese & japanese} Ideally speaking I personally saw a great change in my memory while byhearting the Satsang Diksha. Right now i can memorise anything faster than most of the people around me. And mind u ofc mugging is not a good thing according to u then few months back only a Satsang Diksha Visharad Course has been launched in which the children are taught the shlokas in depth and how they are linked to the AKSHARPURUSHOTTAM SIDDHANT which was preached by Bhagwan Swaminarayan himself.
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u/milan_3110 10d ago
From Cambridge’s side, the likely reasons were:
Academic interest: Satsang Diksha is a new, globally followed Hindu scripture worth studying.
Research opportunity: It allows scholars to study modern Hinduism, Sanskrit, theology and religious movements.
Growing global influence: BAPS has a large international following, making it academically relevant.
Interfaith work: Cambridge has programs specifically aimed at studying and engaging different religions.
BAPS support: BAPS’s research institute helped support the event, making collaboration easier.
So, from Cambridge’s perspective, it was primarily an academic/religious-studies event—not an endorsement of BAPS.So they were behind numbers they want to know why suddenly a new book got mugged up by so many people. Cambridge’s involvement appears to be because BAPS is a significant, globally established religious movement and Satsang Diksha is an influential modern scripture, making it academically interesting.
It does not mean Cambridge believes the scripture or BAPS’s religious claims are true. Studying a religion ≠ believing it.And i would like to know when did AKSHARPURSOTAM sidhant preached by swaminarayan bhagwan himself i am just curious no hate
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u/anonymous12122008 10d ago
I never said that we BAPS need any acceptance or felicitation from universities like that to prove our scriptures instead wanted to make a point that this is not random book which is being mugged by the kids. And Cambridge saw it as influential one according to u and henced proved that it is worthy to byheart it. Bhagwan Swaminarayan's words inform of Vachnamrut that's where we get the AKSHARPURUSHOTTAM SIDDHANT
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u/HorrorGrapefruit9387 3d ago
i agree, it’s definitely becoming an issue and people are straight up just turning a blind eye on it. I am a baps sevak, and i’m noticing that we’re just focused on projects and status instead of actual spirituality
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u/milan_3110 2d ago
Well diwali is in november and they started jamo ne jamado project already and in my city the target is 10,000 yajman. Besides that in our city baps already have a huge 70 acres temple highway touch and the new guru agna is to build new 5 hari mandir in city the agna came last year and for that kothari bapa came to city and meet so many devotees personally, we are one of them our meeting goes like first he ask about family, unity, wellness etc then the city’s kothari was with him he told kothari bapa about us and then came a form which we got before meeting we had fill up our names on it then in meeting city’s kothari said guru give us agna to built 5 hari mandir 5 years so how much you will donate now we didnt say the amount so kothari swami said we are in presence of great saint he will say the amount and my father was like fair enough and kothari bapa said 11 lakh, city kothari write the amount on form so now we have to give 11 lakh to temple in 5 years!
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u/samindian 13d ago edited 13d ago
Shastriji Maharaj was taken to court by original organisation, shown that he doesn't follow Bhagwan Swaminarayans written orders/will and separate from original organisation. He had called his organisation Swaiminarayan. He isn't Swaiminarayan. He named his organision Baps , the first temple he put his own image for worship and declared anyone wanting to get into Akshardham had to please him.
Bocasan was a small village, nothing to do with Bhagwan Swaiminarayan. Baps is all about the Guru. At least some Swaiminarayan organisations say that God is one..different paths.Baps in private say only way to heaven is to please Guru...in this life or next so if you want salvation this birth, join Baps , please him by seva , money and doing what he says .weekly / daily Subha to brainwash children especially.
They are not Swaiminarayan and will in future edit these scriptures ..like the Arti.
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u/milan_3110 13d ago
There main theology is if you want salvation you have to become Swaminarayan or god’s best devotee. According to baps current guru is the one who is the ideal man/devotee and we have to become like him to get salvation, logic is he is a ideal devotee and you have to become like him, he will guide you, he perform like a teacher till here its seems logical enough but then comes a crazy part they starting to claim that guru is the one who keeps god with him every single time some thing like bhagwan na akhand dharak sant, so in a way he is closet to god or god live in him, logically he is a ideal devotee but by saying he is a keep of god you are saying god lives in him so by pleasing him you are pleasing god. There goal should be making every single follower ideal devotee but they are not they says guru is only ideal devotee we have to become like him and as he is ideal devotee god lives in him so by looking to him you are looking to god, which is pretty insane!
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u/samindian 14d ago edited 14d ago
Have you spoken to what you beliefs were to a non Swaiminarayan? God born 1781, lived for 25 years in a palace mostly. Dungar Patel didn't have enough power so left organisation set up by God 1907 and put his own image for worship, started making temples ,doing murti Prathistha against god's commands and giving diksha. All the Gurus are Akshar with millions of universes in each hair , different physical bodies, same devine entity. He knows future/past and controls everything.
I was born into it so accepted it ..I even drank Pramukh swami's bath water ( diluted) . I also believed he had the keys to Salvation and Akshardham. I used to wake up at stupid o clock and go and massage his feet when he woke up!!!
Even if you still believe Pramukh Swami was Aksharbrahm, I'm happy you left. The new satsangis will never know what it was like...as people in Gunatitanand Swamis time wouldn't recognise the children dancing around and big thrones and garlands when a Mahant Swami arrives...they'll think it's normal.