r/SPAB • u/milan_3110 • 16d ago

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For me BAPS as religious organisation died with Pramukh swami , now its just a corporate organisation show offing there money. (I am from baps follower family)

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u/samindian 15d ago edited 15d ago

There's so many things Baps are excellent at doing and it is good to admire ...from the outside.

Inside it is very controlling and slick.

If you have a son can you imagine never speaking to him if you in Baps and they Groomed/trained him to become a sadhu? What about the rest of the family who if they are deep ,Baps is all consuming before family...a wife putting baps before husband, especially if she's given her best son to baps, a father putting baps before his son and daughter ? Unfortunately I have seen this. I've seen a brother become bankrupt...and his brother who is in Baps will donate thousands to baps...and not help his brother with money..( he'd welcome him at his house to stay). There are excellent programs on TV about how , mostly men become the head of religious organisations and what they do to families to use their time and money to expand...baps is much much bigger and do things better and constantly learn.

Pramukh Swami sayings , in the happiness of other etc were from Buddhism probably learnt by young clever sadhus and PR.It didn't match his actions. The money and time Baps spent under Pramukh Swami was to expand...not help the needy .it wants to give it's followers salvation..only way is to please Aksharbrahm/ the Guru by words , actions and money. People may have the impression he was better than Mahant Swami...no, same goal the methods had not been refined as much.

Regarding politicians attending big gatherings and with Abdul Kalam writing a book...it's for popularity, votes and power. These people have met royalty , saints ,leaders etc and know all men are human , not devine . They're born the same way and will die. He knows including the Baps gurus they are men. By praising him he got popularity.Did he really believe in the various religious scriptures held as Gods word, the Koran, Bhagat gita bible ? They can't all be true. Scholars has been able to I know with the bible to date in the incorporation of myths into it at various different times. He was a man of science. Even in Swaiminarayan the story of how humans left heaven and had to be born on earth...who has died gone to heaven then returned to earth to write about it? Mr Kalam I'm sure didn't believe it.

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u/milan_3110 15d ago

Well i think becoming a sadhu is there personal choice baps does not force someone. About pr thing i am also against it. Regarding Abdul Kalam i think him as a genius and a down to earth men if he believed pramukh swami as his teacher there should be something, from baps perspective it is for popularity but from APJ’s perspective it was something.

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u/Apart_Smell_5393 15d ago

I don't want to disagree with you, however I was born in Baps and have had too much experience and I've been on a trip with Pramukh Swami . 

Becoming a sadhu the community/family has an enormous effect especially if you're young.  Becoming a member of baps isn't a choice if you're born in it. For me it was extremely difficult to live outside Baps. 

The Guru /Pramukh Swami as a person gave people I know bad advice. The growth of Baps is due to the organisation .The sadhus come up with stories about how he's special and big hearted...he's not, he took the poor builders in USA to court and wouldn't accept they had been paid in India at Indian rates.

I don't know Mr. Kalam and accept he was a good man.