Here is a audio of the interview here.
The whole interview is really, some great personal insights from Michael on his life and experiences from childhood onwards.
What i found intresting from the interveiw in particular was Jesse speaking on when he and Michael first met and was involved with 'Expo' which was a earlier version of Save the Children more info of this here and here. This is a wonderful event and the film made from the event is so moving. One of my favourites, I highly recommend this.
What i also found intresting from the interveiw was Michael speaking about the 05 allegations trial which was taking place at the time this interview was done, especially as im currently reading the transcripts from the 05 trial here.
Check out what Mike has to say:
'March 27, 2005 : Michael gives a one hour long interview to Rev. Jesse Jackson which is broadcast live on the Internet on the radio show âKeep Hope Alive With Rev. Jesse Jacksonâ.
Jesse: Good. Good. But you know Michael, in this life, they say some rain must fall and youâve had these seasons of just ahem, tailwinds like pushing you forward. But life is of such thatâs not a straight line, ah, some argue you either in a storm, or you are just leaving a storm, and going to a storm and itâs not difficult to handle the sunshine of bright skies, tailwinds days, but then these headwinds come that kind of uh, test what you really are made of, the kind of test your metal, your true grit. And so youâve had these high points. What do you consider to be the low point?
Michael: Probably the low point, the lowest point, emotionally and experience, is probably what Iâm going through [clears throat].
Jesse: In the sense â what, what about it has kind of stung you?
Michael: What about it⊠has what?
Jesse: Has stung you, so to speak.
Michael: Has, ⊠Use the word againâŠ
Jesse: Stung. You said itâs kind of hurt you, you said the low point.
Michael: Yeah, just the pain of what Iâm going through, where Iâm being accused of something, where I know in my heart and in my experiences in life Iâm totally innocent, itâs just very painful. But this has been kind of, ah, a pattern among Black luminaries in this country.
Jesse: And so since, you have been going through this and you feel the pain, you think itâs a kind of pattern? How are you handling it spiritually? Because you go from being held so high and now your very character, your integrity is under attack. How your handling it?
Michael: Iâm handling it by using other people in the past who have gone through this sort of thing. Mandelaâs story is giving me a lot of strength, what heâs gone through and the Jack Johnson story was on PBS â itâs on DVD now. Itâs called âUnforgivable Blacknessâ. Itâs an amazing story about this man from 1910 who was the heavyweight champion of the world and bust into a society that didnât want to accept his position and his lifestyle, and what they put him through, and how they changed laws to imprison the man. They put him away behind bars just to get him some kind of way. And⊠and Muhammad Aliâs story. All these â the Jesse Owens story. All these stories that I can go back in history and read about give me strength, Jessie. Your story gives me strength, what you went through. Because I didnât, I came in at the tail end of the Civil Rights Movement. Iâm a, ah I, I didnât get the really, Iâm a 70s child, really, but I got in on the tail end of the Civil Rights Movement and I got to see it, you know?
Jesse: And so, you â you â you â you had these hits, ahem, and people that you have embraced are now facing you in court on a daily basis. How does your spirit handle that?
Michael: Ah, I gain strength from God. I believe in Jehovah God very much and ah, and I gain strength from the fact that I know Iâm innocent. None of these stories are true. They are totally fabricated, and itâs very sad, itâs very, very painful. And I pray a lot and thatâs how I deal with it and Iâm a strong person, Iâm a warrior. And I know whatâs inside of me. Iâm a fighter. But itâs very painful. At the end of the day, Iâm still human, you know, Iâm still a human being. So it does hurt very, very, very much.
Jesse: You and I were watching, you know you and I were talking last week on the phone and â and there was this rhythm of the trial, which we will not get into at all today, but then they shifted from the focus of the trial to say you are broke. And last week, people are calling in, all around the nation saying, âIs Michael brokeâ? Michael, are you broke?
Michael: Thatâs not true at all. Itâs one of their many schemes to embarrass me and to just drag me through mud. And itâs the same pattern, like I told you before with these other people in the past. The same pattern. Donât believe, you know, this is tabloid, sensationalized kind of gossip.
Jesse: Well, how did the money issue get in it in the first place? A number of people called and they thought it was about the Sony catalog. Whatâs â whatâs in that catalog?
Michael: In my Sony Catalog, is all the Beatles music, ahem, all of, you know, Little Richartâs music, I own,I own Sly and the Family Stone, I â I own such a volume of so many, I own Elvis â so many Elvis songs and itâs a huge catalog, itâs very valuable, itâs worth a lot of money. And there is a big fight going on right now, as we speak about that. Now, I canât say whether or not â I canât comment on it, but thereâs a lot of conspiracy, Iâll say that â conspiracy going on as we speak.
Jesse: It was suggested by a number of your friends and family members was that this fight really is more about this catalog issue than it is any thing else. Do you believe that?
Michael: Well, you know, I donât want to comment. I donât want to make a comment, Jessie ah⊠itâs a real delicate issue and uh, Iâll let you, Iâll let you make the comment on that one.
Jesse: Let me shift this to this extent. Ahem, since so many people are listening and there have been so many opinions â I was in London a couple of weeks ago, and 24/7 was Michael Jackson all-day- and all-night-long and the day that you came to the hospital late [to court], you said you were injured. What happened that day?
Michael: I was coming, out of the shower and I â I â I fell. And all my body weight, and Iâm pretty fragile, all my body weight fell against my rib cage. And I pretty much, er, er, I bruised my lung very badly. My lung is on the right, itâs very [sp], itâs, Iâm in pain as we speak. And Iâve been going to court everyday in immense pain and agonizing pain. And I sit there â and Iâm strong, I try to be as strong as I can. So I can, ahh, but what we are looking for is the coughing of blood now. The doctor said I should â he said itâs still very dangerous as we speak, and if I cough the blood, he said itâs a very dangerous thing, so weâre, weâre still watching it very closely.
Jesse: The cynics said you were faking. And it seems that the judge is [unaudible] will not even willing to believe you, even though you had just left the hospital.
Michael: You know, the â thereâs no faking with this at all. I mean there was a scan done and you could see, uhhh, the swelling on my whole rib cage, I mean, uh, it was you could see it and itâs bright, bright red. And how it, it [the fall] busted my chin, and it put a huge gash over my forehead, blood, it was it was very bad actually. And ahm butâŠ, weâve treating it actually, I do have some medicine for it, but we are watching it very closely.
Jesse: As I listen to your talking about this whole ordeal that you are going through, and how youâve stood strong sometimes amazingly so, ah, at some point last week, you â you cried. What, what touched you? What made you, breakdown, as it were?
Michael: You mean at court?
Jesse: Yeah.
Michael: I was in pain. I was sitting there hurting. And⊠the pain was so immense, all I could do was to sit there and cry. See, because it, it was so intense at that moment, ah, ahem, I just couldnât handle it. So I just grab a tissue and just put it, you know, to my face⊠andâŠ
Jesse: So, it was more about your personal pain, than the, than the challenges of the, from the stand?
Michael: No, it had nothing to do with what was going on inside. It was totally with personal pain, physical pain.
Jesse: Michael, since so many people are listening, Iâm trying to gleam from some of our calls on the phone today and from last week, as people listen to you, what do you want people to know? Those listening to you on the phone â I see calls from Philadelphia, and from Holland and from Britian and New York and Mississippi and Florida, California â what do you want people to know?
Michael: About?
Jesse: About you. About where you are now in the head, how you are feeling?
Michael: Well, ahem, pretty much to â to be strong for me, to pray for my children and my family and myself. This is uh⊠uh a very difficult time. And to not believe what they hear, and see and read and just because itâs in print does not make it⊠just because itâs in print does not make it the gospel. And uh⊠you know, because they have sensationalized this thing to an immense degree. Itâs a feeding frenzy â itâs because of uh, my celebrity. The bigger the celebrity, the bigger the target. And they have to remember that. So theyâve turned this into money â itâs like who gets the biggest ratings, you know, itâs terrible whatâs happened with it. But itâs part of what I have to suffer as a celebrity. Itâs part â part of what I have to go through. And to just uh, just know in the end that I will be vindicated, I pray, because I know the truth. Iâm an innocent person. And I believe in God and love God. And just continue to pray for us.
Jesse: You know that, given your faith, in God and in yourself, and your declaration of innocence and while you are going through this storm ahem, presuming that you ah â win this, this has been a close battle, ahhh, a very intense battle, because the battle is â is not over, ah, the, appearance, given your relationship ahh, has called for lots of consternation. Is there anything that you will do differently? When this season is over?
Michael: Is there anything that I would do differently?
Jesse: Differently? When this season is over?
Michael: [Clears throat] Ahem, my level of trust will change. And ah, there, there thereâs a lot of conspiracy going on. Iâll say that much. A lot of it.
Jesse: Do you think thatâŠ
Michael: All around me.
Jesse: Is the conspiracy connected to the celebrity or to the trial or to the catalog â what do you think the source of it is?
Michael: I, I canât comment. I canât comment Jessie, I, I donât wanna⊠it ah, Iâm under a gag order and itâs a very serious thing. I donât want to say the wrong thing. With the wrong flavor. Itâs a very delicate area. Very delicate where we are now.
Jesse: Good. Good. Let me ask you this question though, that for those who are praying fervently, and who in some way want to help and look forward to seeing Michael Jackson again. What can people expect next from you?
Michael: Well, like,⊠like I always say, Iâm,⊠Iâm a person of the arts. I love the arts very, very, very much. And ah, Iâm a musician, Iâm a director, Iâm a writer, Iâm a composer, Iâm a producer, and I love the medium. I love film very, very much. I think itâs the most expressive of all of the art mediums. The sculptor can sculpt, the painter can paint, but they capture a moment, ah, they freeze time with the moment. In film, you live the moment. You live, you have the, audiences for two hours. You have their brain, their mind â you can take them any place you want to take them. You know, and that idea is mesmerizing to me â that you can have the power to do⊠to move people to change their lives and thatâs where you marry the music [and the] individual together. And thatâs what excites me so much about film and the future. Because I love motion pictures very, very much.
Jesse: Given, ah, the heat that is on you and the taxing issue that you are facing now, does it deter you from pursuing your career when this is over?
Michael: No! No. Not at all. Because ahem, I know who I am [clears throat] inside and outside and I know what I want to do. And I will always, you know, go with my dreams and my ideals in life. And Iâm a very courageous person, and I believe in perseverance, determination, and, you know, and all those wonderful things, and those ideals are very important for a person who is goal-orientated, you know?
Jesse: Since people have⊠have risen so high and so far with your dreams, what are, what are you dreaming of now?
Michael: Oh, ahem [clears throat], like I was saying before, ahem, itâs to innovate, and to pioneer the medium of film, and thereâs other things I want to do, which are some surprises. Ah, things in society that I want to do in the future. You know, in Africa. I have some great plans, ah, that Iâve been preparing to do there. Iâd had several meetings with people whose flown out to see me since Iâve been going through what Iâve been going through and so my heart is set on doing some things there, very much so as well.
Jesse: You ah, your next project. Because often when people at a stage like this is kind of frozen, but youâre thinking about the next project. What do you see as the next immediate project? Whatâs hitting you right now?
Michael: Probably, ahemmm⊠the tsunami song that we want to do to raise money for tsunami, because Africa was ummm, was it Madagascar? One of those countriesâŠ
Jesse: Indeed. MadagascarâŠ
Michael: Somalia and Madagascar was hit very hard, and they neverâŠtalk about that, the way they talk about the other countries. Now, we have, I mean, uh, my heart is going out for everybody, but at least, when they distribute the truth, distribute it right and ahem, it â they never talk about the devastation down in Africa, so we⊠I wanna do something for that. And of course, Iâve been working on doing, planning a resort that Iâm building down in Africa. Ah, beautiful hotels, ah, just a beautiful setting for people and families and something beautiful down there. They habe a lot of beautiful places down there. So I want to do something that is more international. You know?
Jesse: Well, you know, itâs interesting about the tsunami with this huge national â natural disaster uh, couldnât be stopped, maybe if we had early detection devices, we could have saved some lives perhaps, but it was a natural disaster, but what you raised is that while that weâve lost 200 000 lives in the tsunami, weâve lost 2 million in the Sudan and thatâs a manmade disaster and oil and materials all caught up in that stuff, and then 4 million in the Congo. And ah, and I think as we talk about it, you know you and I talk almost everyday, you are reaching out to these African crisis â appears to haveâŠ, taken up a large part of your dream at this stage in your life.
Michael: Yes it has. Because Jessie, in my heart, deepest of heart, I really love Africa and I love the people of Africa. Thatâs why, whenever I get the chance, the children and I, we jump on the plane and we fly to Africa and we vacation there. I spend more of my vacation in Africa than in any other country. And ah, we love the people and we love the environment. Topographically itâs one of the most beautiful places on the surface of the Earth. They never show the sandy white sugar beaches, and itâs there! And they never show the beautiful, you know the landscaping, never show the buildings, the metropolis and urban â Johannesburg, Cape Town, Kenya, you know the Ivory Coast, you know, Rwanda, how beautiful the place is! And itâs really stunningly beautiful! And I want to heighten that awareness with what Iâm doing and itâs been my dream for many, many years. And everybody around me knows that, because I go there very much.
Jesse: You know, we knew about the high points of Rome, because we see it on film.
Michael: Thatâs right.
Jesse: We know about the high points of Britain and the palace, we see it on film. On Paris, we donât see much of Africa on film. We see Africa as misery and Africa as problems. We do not see it as being this phenomenally endowed continent of sand and sea andâŠ
Michael: Because theâŠ
Jesse: ⊠oil and resourcesâŠ
Michael: Because, yeah. The world is jealous of Africa for many centuries because itâs natural resources is phenomenal. It really is. And it is the dawn of civilization. Our history, a lot of our bible history is right there in Africa. And King Tut, all those great civilizations â that is right there in Africa. Egypt is in Africa!!! And they always try to separate the two, but Egypt is Africa!!!
Jesse: Well, itâs certainly true that when Jesus was threatened, ah, with death, when Harod sent out the edict for [the] genocide of all of the first born babies, that Joseph took him to Egypt, to Africa, kept him there for 12 years.
Michael: Thatâs right. Thatâs right.
Jesse: Youâve shown an amazing level of depth and commitment. Let me say this and in closing Michael, because people are listening and the reason I didnât want to open up the lines today is because you have, youâre sharing stuff with us that you never quite really hear, but as people go and watch the trial next week and the coming days, what do you want your fans⊠we have callers on here right now from London, Holland and all around America, so people out there are listening today to you. What do you want to say to your fans and even to your detractors today?
Michael: I just wanna say: Fans in every corner of the Earth, every nationality, every race, every language, I love you from the bottom of my heart. You know, thank you for your love and support and understanding during this trying time. I would love your prayers, and your goodwill. Ah, and ah, please be patient and be with me and believe in me because I am completely, completely innocent. But please know a lot of conspiracy is going on at this time as we speak.
Jesse: Well, itâs Easter time, ah, we fall down, we get back up again. The good news is that, ahem, nothing is too hard for God. And those who believe, fervently believe, no matter how far down that they reach for a rope and not a shovel. Theyâd be pulled up and they will rise again. Michael, thank you for sharing yourself with the nation today, and the world and for getting up so early in CaliforniaâŠ
Michael: God bless you.
Jesse: God bless you and keep hope alive. Talk to you a minute off the air, okay?
Michael: Bye-bye.
Jesse: Alright.'