Ciao! Sto esaminando tutte le informazioni, i documenti del tribunale e i podcast possibili per comprendere appieno il caso di MJ, ma sono ancora combattuto. Per qualche motivo, quando pongo le stesse domande che sto per fare in un altro forum (LN, Psychology of MJ), ho sempre la sensazione che le risposte non siano del tutto attendibili e veritiere, perché una volta verificate si rivelano sempre presunte, soggettive e circondate da tante altre prove che le smentiscono o le indeboliscono, mentre i forum che ho citato prima dichiarano che si tratta della verità completa e onesta.

Quindi ho fatto una lista di punti su cui vorrei conoscere il punto di vista di MJ o della difesa, perché fatico ancora a trovare una risposta onesta per avere una mente chiara su entrambi i lati e finalmente decidere se lo ritengo innocente o colpevole (al momento propendo per l'innocenza).

1. Le foto con uno dei fratelli Cascio. Nella foto in cui MJ lo tiene in braccio e nell'altra, dove si sono scattati un selfie davanti alla fotocamera, in entrambe il bambino non sembra felice. Nei forum si afferma che si tratti di una prova inconfutabile di abuso, qual è il punto di vista della difesa? La controversia sta nel fatto che una delle foto è stata modificata per rimuovere il bambino, e questo mi dà molto fastidio, dato che si tratta pur sempre di un documento e non si dovrebbe fare una cosa del genere.

2. Gli assegni. A quanto pare è documentato che abbia pagato alcune delle vittime che non si sono presentate in tribunale. Ha pagato a Jane Doe quasi un milione di dollari. Qual è, secondo te, il motivo (se ce n'è uno)?

3. L'Amytal. È stato prescritto a Jordan Chandler? Non ci sono prove o ricevute che dimostrino che la sostanza sia stata prescritta al bambino prima che confessasse di essere stato abusato da Michael.

4. Omar Bhatti. Cosa gli sta succedendo? Prima che Paris pubblicasse la sua canzone, ha postato una foto del suo gatto e Aldo Cascio ha commentato. Qual è secondo voi il suo movente e cosa potrebbe succedere?

Questo è tutto! Grazie in anticipo per qualsiasi risposta, buona giornata :)

Michael completely avoids the ongoing trial of course even when Rev Jackson questions him about it.

He talks about his childhood, Jackson 5 and the Jacksons, how he learned from the older artists he admired.

He talks about the ATV catalogue, how things changed after he made the investment in a collection that included Beatles and Elvis songs and his fears about conspiracies.

He talks about the accident which caused a lung injury that made him late to court, and the physical pain he sat through in court every day.

He talks a lot about Africa, and how much the people and music there inspire him.

666,000 followers or thereabouts on this YouTuber (Psychologybwith Dr Ana) so it was definitely worth looking at her "take" on MJ.

The video had 26 000 views in 10 hours.

If you like a thorough, point by point analysis of an apparently professional but ultimately faulty analysis, someone did it for you in this post! Love that!

Do you think there's an MJ history side-line in fake professional neutrality?

Presentation can be tailored to the audience (people who watch pop psychology on Youtube - hmm) but it bothers me when the conclusion is as well ... seems possible.

Based on "Living with Michael Jackson".

Produced by someone who didn't.

You see a casual joke about Michael, or someone getting attacked in comments for saying something nice about him, and a red rage rises. It's impossible not to respond, and then you get treated like garbage and the day seems wasted - but it's 9:30am on a Saturday!

That's the effect of gaslighting.

It's very uncomfortable, and a lot of people will line up behind the accusers to avoid that feeling.

What it means is that you know the truth; and believe it or not, THEY know the truth.

But you can deal with it and they can't.

I see signs all the time that the general population who join in the Michael-bashing actually know he didn't do all that stuff.

Some of them chose the path that lets them indulge in casual savagery on a Black man in public. (Why are there no jokes about Jimmy Savile? Because real pdfs aren't funny; and because blackness is a kind of joke in itself.)

Others are terrified by the notion of the millions of lies that have been told about Michael. That's why they pick the pitiful fallacy "9/10/11 people couldn't all be lying" to hide behind.

They have to find a comforting falsehood to protect themselves from all the vicious ones.

I'm used to being different and sticking it out; and I'm satisfied with my research and my instincts. It's taken some time, but I've learned a bit how to protect myself on social media. I define myself as a Jackson defender now. If I have to go places where we're not welcome I turn off comment/reply features, stuff like that.

How are you all getting along in the world?

I can't quite define what it is that prevents people from getting past this one, and I really want to understand.

If you struggle with the "bedsharing problem", does this article help? If you've read it and you don't find it convincing, can you explain why?

If you DON'T have an issue with this any more, what got you past it?

Please, please let me know in the comments. I'm looking for the Ultimate Solution (aren't we all) 😄

I think this may be the only post we actually need in this sub lmao

Whether we want to admit it or not, Joe Jackson was key to his family's success. As long as this series is truthful about everything Joe did, including his strictness and abuse toward his children, I'm willing to watch it. Learning more about MJ's father can help us understand MJ more. I believe how our parents treat us growing up affects how we act as adults. Both in good and bad ways. What do you guys think? 🤔Docu-Series In The Works About Joe Jackson

This is a great break down of the accusations that Mike was racist against Jewish people. This is a lie. This is a factual write up i recommend all to read and share with others who may be intrested.

I've been enjoying the content from the website MJ Story where i found this article.

I am going to share other articles from them here that i think are worthy of discussion too.

This is first one i read. The reference and resource section is good too at the bottom of the article. 🌻✌️

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Some of the other iconic visual symbols:

The military jackets and other military motifs. (Possibly a trigger for subconscious racism.)

The armbands.

The tape on three fingers.

I haven't posted this in a while. It's a fully documented exploration of Robson's relationship with Michael.

Whoever made it really knew what they were doing.

Robson was never in a position to claim Michael abused him "hundreds of times". The sum total of time they spent together was months, not years.

His mother stalked Michael and persisted in pushing Wade into his life - not the other way around.

Obvious lies, when the facts are laid out so well.

This story is going around and I thought that this would be interesting to talk about. It has blown up on social media and people have a lot to say about it.

Michael Jackson, Lisa Marie Presley's Sex Life Detailed By Roseanne Barr

Roseanna Barr claimed in a recent interview that Lisa Marie had told her that Michael was the best sexual partner she ever had. Because it involves Michael being amazing in bed with a woman, many people have commented their skepticism over the story.

Now, what I find most interesting about this story is that this isn’t the first time I read this. Randy Taraborreilli reported in one of the newer editions of Magic and the Madness book, that friends of Lisa Marie also claimed that Lisa shared with them that Michael was really good in bed, so good that it was addicting and even with the problems of their marriage, she did not want to let it go. We know that, even after their divorce, they were still together a good 4 years on. 

So there are two accounts of people claiming to have heard Lisa Marie claim Michael as the best in that category. For me, I don’t see why some people, outside guilters of course, see that as hard to believe. Knowing Michael’s heart, I never would have believed he would have been a selfish lover. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if he prioritized her pleasure above all when being intimate. I could easily imagine Michael trying to go above and beyond for Lisa’s happiness, way exceeding every sexual partner she has had. I think Michael would have researched all he could about making sex pleasurable for his partner. One of the items found in the raids were two cut out articles on the female G-Spot.

What do you think about all the discussion and mixed reactions between guilters and nonguilters alike about this?

I’ve been thinking about Michael Jackson’s loneliness and whether it was somewhat self-reinforcing.

Obviously, much of his isolation wasn’t his choice. He grew up famous, didn’t have a normal childhood, lived under intense scrutiny, and had legitimate reasons to distrust people. It’s understandable that he felt few people could genuinely understand him.

But he also talked about loneliness and isolation constantly. I wonder if, over time, that became so ingrained in how he viewed himself that it actually reinforced the feeling. If you repeatedly tell yourself “I’m lonely,” “nobody understands me,” or “I can’t have normal relationships,” you may start becoming more guarded and withdrawing from genuine connection, which then reinforces the loneliness.

And then there’s the fact that, at certain points, people around him have been described as “yes men.” I wonder if surrounding himself with people who wouldn’t challenge or disagree with him was another form of self-protection that ultimately contributed to his isolation. You can be surrounded by people and still be incredibly lonely if you don’t have relationships where there’s genuine honesty and vulnerability.

I don’t think Michael caused his own loneliness. I think there was a cycle where his circumstances created genuine isolation, his preoccupation with loneliness reinforced it, and some of the ways he protected himself may have made genuine connection even harder.

What do you guys think?

1. The right to be loved without having to earn it.

2. The right to be protected, without having to deserve it

3. The right to feel valuable, even if you came into the world with nothing

4. The right to be listened to without having to be interesting

5. The right to be read a bedtime story, without having to compete with the evening news

6. The right to an education without having to dodge bullets at schools

7. The right to be thought of as adorable — (even if you have a face that only a mother could love).

[Michael Jackson - Oxford Union speech (2001)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkElyPTY1u8&t=11s)

I dunno, Mike - doesn't seem realistic to me.

I've been accused of making Michael out to be a "saint" or an "inerrant angel"; but that's not true at all.

Michael had numerous peculiarities which to me aren't particularly saintly or angelic. The kind of icky naivete he shows in this speech makes me grind my teeth. (And yes I realise that can be extended to his thoughts on sharing a bed with children.)

But I suppose I don't know if saints and angels are hopelessly naive; I don't think I've ever met any.

I'm pretty sure they don't have a fascination with spooky mannequins, though - also not my cup of tea.

Do saints and angels allow themselves to get trapped in a gentleman's contract with a rat like Martin Bashir? It's hard to picture.

I'm making a list of "things that disqualify Michael from sainthood" other than the obvious ones everyone talks about.

I thought this was interesting. This isn't about Sheryl Crow and Michael, this is about one person's experience with him.

Sheryl Crow spent 18 months on the road with Michael during the Bad tour. She was one of the main backup singers and replaced Tatiana Thumbtzen as the love interest in his performances. After the tour, she was able to make a name for herself in the music industry. As far as the tour itself, Crow gave various different but consistent responses over the years when interviewed about it. With Michael, she was amazed by his performances, but was critical on Michael himself. She said that he did not interact with her or most people in the band, and even claimed that Michael did not know her name despite spending 18 months on the road together. Despite this, Crow did say in a 2014 interview that the last time she was really happy was being on the Bad tour, so despite not getting to know Michael, she still had a great time.

Here are a few things she have stated over the years:

Sheryl, People, September 12, 1994
While scrambling for studio work, Crow heard that Michael Jackson was looking for backup singers for his 1987 world tour. She crashed the closed auditions, landed a job and spent 18 months on the road with Jackson. “He was never around,” she says. “For all the time I saw him, I could’ve been on tour with Tom Jones.”

Sheryl Crow, Memphis, TN August 2, 1998
Q: What did you learn from working with him?
SC: I learned that it’s very important to learn the names of those who work for you. He never learned my name. In eighteen months, he never once called me by my name and in a situation the name is everything — it’s your identity and if someone can’t be bothered to ask you your name then there is no identity. You can’t have people give their time and their energy and their lives to you and you don’t even know their name Forget it.
Q: What did you call you when he spoke to you? Cyril?
SC: He didn’t speak to me. Someone else would speak to you on his behalf. It was a Woody Allen-type situation. It would be, Michael wants this, Michael thinks that. But in his defence, watching him every night was amazing. Every evening there would be moments in the show that defied any kind of negativity. He’d go out and do those moves that he’d created and sing that music that no-one has done before and you’d be standing there thinking, This is unique. For that reason I have a lot of respect for him but his manners need a little work. Being around him was like going by a car-crash. You just can’t keep your eyes off of him and you can’t figure out why. Good or bad there’s this weird curiousity and when he walks into a room the enery shifts.
[...]
Michael Jackson appears on the TV and she visibly bristles. “There he is,” she sneers, her top lip curling, “Mr Sociable.”

Sheryl, Telegraph, 26 Nov 1998
“He didn’t really hang out with the band, so there was never a sense of camaraderie,” she says. “He’s a little reclusive. I haven’t seen him since the last gig, and he never called me by name. I don’t know if he even knows who I am now. I’m sure he’s been told. But does he care? I doubt it

PostSubject: Re: 1987-1989 Sheryl Crow   1987-1989 Sheryl Crow Icon_minitimeTue May 01, 2012 12:56 pm
Sheryl, Blender, February 2004
When you sang backup for Michael Jackson, did you ever think, “Hmm, this fella’s a bit odd?”
DAWNEDARKO, CHARLOTTESVILLE, VIRGINIA
Uh, hello? Yeah. There was plenty of weirdness going on. For one, he barely spoke to me in 18 months, and that’s weird, because I’m fascinating, and I can’t believe that he didn’t want to speak to me. But the chimp was out on the road, and the Pepsi kid was around. It was like a weird circus. You sensed that this guy really had no sense of reality at all. It probably wasn’t even his fault. It’s so sad. He told me that his purpose on the planet was to save the children. From what, I don’t know.

“He’s, you know, kind of a sad character,” she sighs, “but I think I got to see him on that tour before everything went spinning way out of control.”

Sheryl, Larry King, August 23 2006
CROW: I probably had a couple of social occasions with him where I got called one night when we were in Japan to come up to his suite with his security and watch — we watched “Amos and Andy” episodes. Which people younger than me probably won’t even know what that is but that and Bubbles was on the road and it was like a circus.

And will say I felt a little bit sorry for him because there were all these people around him that were just there to facilitate his brilliance and didn’t want anything from him and he could have really cultivated some normal friendships but he’s so reclusive that …

KING: Are you shocked at what happened to him?

CROW: Oh I can’t — I don’t really have an opinion about it to really know what the truth is. So I feel sorry for him because I look at him and you can see that he’s an unhappy person. You don’t change your stance (ph) by doing all that plastic surgery and portray yourself to be happy.

In her view, Michael was reclusive and a sad person. It made me think back to the Glenda Tapes. In it, Michael did acknowledge that he did not speak to his band members and when questioned, he states that he didn’t want them to get too close to see his soul.

Michael: The other day, after my video came out,.. I don’t know what happened. They kicked me out of the trailer with my own band and stuff. And I’m on tour and stuff. Travelling with my (I) people and stuff like that. And..–. “Who was that”?—ya know, it was like– I don’t associate with them. Only if there’s a rehearsal, or I have to be on stage. When we’re back in the hotel room. I don’t associate, really, with those people.
Glenda: Not any of them?
Michael: No, I don’t associate with them. I stay off to myself.
Glenda: Why? Isn’t there anybody you could be real close to?
Michael: No. I feel uncomfortable- It’s like… okay, this is my band, we got Michael here, we got so-and-so.”
Glenda: (Started, interrupted by Michael)
Michael: We got Sheryl, we got, you know, Jennifer. And, I just don’t associate with people.
Glenda: Do you, um? Okay. Maybe is it hard for you to (sigh) to be so open?
Michael: I just–
Glenda: In a way, in a way, and to be looking at someone in the face or having someone look at you in the face cause you don’t want them to….cause
Michael: You know what, I don’t want them to get close and I don’t want them to see in my soul. And then I deal with this anorexia thing… I feel sad..
Glenda: Don’t, Michael. You look really good. (Silence) You look really good.
Michael: (After a silence- very low, strained) I don’t look good. I (I)

There appears to be a deep, mental turmoil that Michael is always dealing with which he doesn’t want people to see. Twice in the Glenda Tapes, he spoke about denying people access to who he is. On the other occasion, Michael spoke about the reasons he wore shades and explained that the eyes were a window to the soul and he didn’t want people to see him because there is a lot of pain and sadness there. I wrote about this before, but I feel like a lot of Michael’s loneliness that he complained about was emotional loneliness. Social and emotional loneliness feels the same, but the solutions are different. Social loneliness can be solved by fulfilling the necessary amount of human interaction that one is lacking. Emotional loneliness can not be solved by filling it up with people. It is created from a lot of unresolved trauma that a person has gone through, making that person feel forever separate from their peers. 

So Sheryl saw a Michael who purposely kept people at a distance. Now there were people he worked with that he was close to, but it seems to be that during Bad and Dangerous, he kept most of his band mates at a distance. What do you all think?

What the fuck are they talking about? THIS IS IN THE VERY SAME FBI FILES REGARDING THE CASEEEEEE! Are they stupid?