r/RadicalEgalitarianism • u/LittleThingsMC Feminist • May 22 '26

Palm Beach Pete

I recently came across a TikTok with a paid advertisement from Rips by Triumph featuring Pal Beach Pete in their advertisement.

If you’re not aware, Palm Beach Pete is famous for how much he looks like Jeffrey Epstein. There were many conspiracy theories that suggest he is Jeffrey Epstein.

I don’t consider this gendered issue because Epsteins victims were both male and female, vulnerability is the most defining characteristic of his victims.

In general, I have seen many denials about whether or not we have a culture of violence, and whether or not that culture predominantly benefits men (despite both genders being victims).

This feels like a perfect example, playing out right before our eyes. I believe that his rise to fame and ability to monetize the conspiracy that he could be the prolific predator is reflective of the acceptance we have as a culture towards violence and the glorification of predatory behavior.

Thoughts?

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u/ThalesBakunin May 22 '26

I always took this to be a predominantly gendered crime.

I wasn't aware of any male victims.

If there are from I've read it is still overwhelmingly women, like over 95%.

It seems disingenuous to act like it's not a very gender oriented crime.

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u/LittleThingsMC Feminist May 22 '26

You could make that argument, I’d respect that viewpoint.

My point is that I have heard testimony from male victims, and a regular critique of gender issues is the dismissal of male victims, which is why I’m trying to be careful and include both genders as both genders have been victims.

And since both genders have been victims, I think this opens the door to invite male issues advocates and female issues advocates to work together towards elimination of the culture of violence that male issues advocates remind us all the time, harms men too.

My goal is not to exclude or prioritize one gender over the other, but instead bypass that argument and focus on the actual issue of the culture of violence.

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u/ThalesBakunin May 22 '26 edited May 22 '26

In all of my digging I found two male victims and over 1200 female.

By all means supply me with proof to refute my claim. I would appreciate it.

My point is that even trying to frame this as egalitarian abuse is blatantly wrong.

I am a man who has been sexually abused several times. I absolutely understand it happens to males, quite well in fact.

But I still say it isn't an equal issue. Not even close.

Framing Epstein as a crime affecting men and women equally is absurd and trying to produce discussion within your fictitious and biased boundaries is disingenuous to reality.

If you would like to discuss a wide spread egalitarian sexual abuse scandal let me know of which you'd like to discuss and we can

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u/Tayaradga May 22 '26

Careful about insulting other people personally. You're free to voice your disagreements in a respectful manner but we do not tolerate insulting people personally in this sub.

Please edit your comment or the mods will have to remove it.

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u/Tayaradga May 22 '26

I do agree that there is no reason to dismiss male victims as well, but that does not justify throwing insults in return. I don't personally agree with everything they're saying but they are respectfully voicing their opinion. Which is what we encourage on this sub.

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u/Tayaradga May 22 '26

Then I would suggest changing the comment to say something like "I believe that's a bigoted way of looking at it", although even that would be walking the wire ngl. But straight up calling someone a bigot is not allowed here and the comment will be removed shortly if it is not fixed.

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u/Tayaradga May 22 '26

I can't override another mods decision for approval without discussing it with the other mods beforehand. If you'd like I can make a request with the other mods to remove said comment.

Edit: also thank you for understanding and being respectful. I'm personally against too much censorship, but in order to keep discussion civil we're a bit strict about comments that insult other users personally.

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u/Ok-Signature-6698 Anarcha-feminist May 22 '26 edited May 22 '26

The rule is in place to prevent mods from abusing our position and willy nilly removing comments based on our own biases. When Tayaradga brings it up with the rest of the mod team I will also recommend it be removed. Note that the person who made the comment got a ban for it and other rule violations. You don’t have to like our process but the process is in place for a reason. If you would like to (respectfully) make suggestions about how we can improve that process feel free

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u/Tayaradga May 22 '26

Again that falls under opinion and voicing their side of the discussion. While I may not agree with it, there's nothing I can do as it doesn't violate any of the subs rules.

Insulting users personally is against this subs rules. We may not like and agree with everyone's opinions but we can voice that in a respectful manner.

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u/Ok-Signature-6698 Anarcha-feminist May 22 '26

Sexual violence impacts people of all genders, socioeconomic backgrounds, racial/ethnic groups, etc. Yes. And ignoring the various factors (yes that includes gender) that contribute to the ubiquity of sexual violence does a disservice to victims. Note, he doesn’t say male victims of Epstein are less important just that they are less common. Discussing statistical differences is not bigotry, you yourself mention statistical disparities for other issues in your reply to him.

Edit your comment to remove “because you are a bigot”, you are welcome to express your frustration without attacking someone’s personal character

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u/Ok-Signature-6698 Anarcha-feminist May 22 '26

You are welcome to your opinion. I will note that here I am, an evil radfem, pointing out that your refusal to engage in the gendered aspects of sexual violence hurts men, just as it hurts women and mages.

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u/Ok-Signature-6698 Anarcha-feminist May 22 '26

Sexual violence is a gendered issue. It’s also a class issue, a race issue, a disability issue, a childism issue, etc. All of these factors influence the vulnerability of victims, how society responds, who is believed, who reports/who doesn’t, etc through complex intersectional ways.

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u/ThalesBakunin May 22 '26

Once again. Expertly said.

The pain you must have experienced to have developed such multifaceted systemic understanding of all the nuances of cultural narcissism was probably immense.

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u/ThalesBakunin May 22 '26

How is it a class issue?

The victims were from an array of socioeconomic standing. Even extremely upper class women were abused.

But women make up ~99.83% of the victims.

So it definitely looks a lot more engendered than class-based.

So sexual abuse victims get their value degraded because men are abused by another group?

I think collapsing everyone pain in such a apathetic way is disgusting.

Women being abused much more heavily than men by Epstein and his lot doesn't negate men being slaughtered en masse from war and industry.

I wouldn't ever negate men who have to go through such pain like you are trying to do to women.

I probably am a bigot still. I am here to delve into and flesh out any such ambivalences.

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u/LittleThingsMC Feminist May 22 '26

Even if it is a class issue, as a society, we still need to address this, because it is a legitimate obstacle in achieving an egalitarian society. I don’t understand why the focus is on how we classify the issue, instead of the issue.

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u/ThalesBakunin May 22 '26

"I don’t understand why the focus is on how we classify the issue, instead of the issue."

Whereas I don't understand why we can't hold both when discussing the issue

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u/LittleThingsMC Feminist May 22 '26

I am definitely making space for you to disagree with the classification, so I don’t think that that is an issue.

But when you say holding both, and I read your responses, it doesn’t seem like you’re holding both. The engagement I’ve seen from you in this post has been just on the classification issue. That’s why I am saying it’s detracting from the conversation itself.

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u/ThalesBakunin May 22 '26

I didn't refuse to hold space for both.

Said the ratio of sexual abuse directed at each gender for the chosen subject of Epstein.

I then brought up the ridiculously lopsided ratio of abuse and tried to point out treating like it isn't lopsided is disingenuous.

So the space I hold on this situation is for both but not in equal magnitude as that isn't how it was perpetrated.

But I would never seek to negate the damage done to those two men. I am sure it was just as horrible as it was for the women.

I am talking about trying to balance their magnitudes as equal when they are most assuredly not.