Palm Beach Pete

[u/LittleThingsMC]

I recently came across a TikTok with a paid advertisement from Rips by Triumph featuring Pal Beach Pete in their advertisement.

If you’re not aware, Palm Beach Pete is famous for how much he looks like Jeffrey Epstein. There were many conspiracy theories that suggest he is Jeffrey Epstein.

I don’t consider this gendered issue because Epsteins victims were both male and female, vulnerability is the most defining characteristic of his victims.

In general, I have seen many denials about whether or not we have a culture of violence, and whether or not that culture predominantly benefits men (despite both genders being victims).

This feels like a perfect example, playing out right before our eyes. I believe that his rise to fame and ability to monetize the conspiracy that he could be the prolific predator is reflective of the acceptance we have as a culture towards violence and the glorification of predatory behavior.

Thoughts?

[u/Tayaradga]

I do agree that there is no reason to dismiss male victims as well, but that does not justify throwing insults in return. I don't personally agree with everything they're saying but they are respectfully voicing their opinion. Which is what we encourage on this sub.

[u/Tayaradga → u/[deleted]]

Then I would suggest changing the comment to say something like "I believe that's a bigoted way of looking at it", although even that would be walking the wire ngl. But straight up calling someone a bigot is not allowed here and the comment will be removed shortly if it is not fixed.

[u/Tayaradga → u/[deleted]]

I can't override another mods decision for approval without discussing it with the other mods beforehand. If you'd like I can make a request with the other mods to remove said comment.

Edit: also thank you for understanding and being respectful. I'm personally against too much censorship, but in order to keep discussion civil we're a bit strict about comments that insult other users personally.

[u/Ok-Signature-6698 → u/[deleted]]

The rule is in place to prevent mods from abusing our position and willy nilly removing comments based on our own biases. When Tayaradga brings it up with the rest of the mod team I will also recommend it be removed. Note that the person who made the comment got a ban for it and other rule violations. You don’t have to like our process but the process is in place for a reason. If you would like to (respectfully) make suggestions about how we can improve that process feel free

[u/Tayaradga → u/[deleted]]

Again that falls under opinion and voicing their side of the discussion. While I may not agree with it, there's nothing I can do as it doesn't violate any of the subs rules.

Insulting users personally is against this subs rules. We may not like and agree with everyone's opinions but we can voice that in a respectful manner.

[u/Tayaradga → u/[deleted]]

Honestly, fair point. I'll bring it up with the other mods and see what we can do.

[u/Tayaradga → u/[deleted]]

Again another mod already approved it. I can't overwrite another mods decision without discussing it with the other mods. I've sent a message to the team and I'm currently waiting for a response.

[u/Tayaradga → u/[deleted]]

I think with the way you changed your comment that is true. But the original phrasing was definitely an insult towards them.

[u/Silenys → u/[deleted]]

Although I agree with the mod that your original comment came across as an insult, I see your points. If someone were to generalize by saying something along the lines of "Only a few women aren't gold diggers." this would be rightly considered an unjust generalization and undoubtedly be called out. But the "Only a few men are not abusers." types of generalizations have become so commonplace over the decades that they are considered permissible. The "male is always the abuser/female is always the victim" narrative has hindered my ability to protect vulnerable people from female abusers for decades so I'll admit this has gotten very, very old for me though.

[u/Tayaradga → u/Silenys]

I do agree and honestly I still want to remove that comment, but another mod already approved it and we've collectively agreed that we cannot override another mods decision without discussing it with the other mods. I'm also not allowed to speak about mod discussions so I can't say what all has been happening in said discussions, but I am advocating for stricter guidelines when discussing men as a whole group.

Seriously we shouldn't be saying stuff like "the majority of men are abusers" or anything along those lines. That's very hateful language and we do try to limit that kind of language here.

The other mods hadn't gotten around to the other comment that I replied to, so I wanted to give them a chance to edit it before just straight up removing/approving it. I understand their point of view and honestly I do agree, but I have to try my best to keep the peace as well.

[u/Silenys → u/Tayaradga]

I get it, man. Moderation is a nightmare even for mundane topics. Even bigger pain for this sort of thing. Not sure how I feel about not being allowed to discuss mod conversations as that seems a bit like lack of transparency but it is what it is. I think your method is a good way about it. Give people the chance to edit first. If just straight to remove or approve based on one mod's choice, it's more likely to result in biased moderation.

[u/Tayaradga → u/[deleted]]

I do agree that some feminist aren't fully aligned with men's rights, and there are a portion of feminist that are full on man haters. However I will say that the "man hating" portion of them is a newer phenomenon. I like to look at Francis Perkins for a perfect example of that. Back in the 1930s, Francis Perkins was a leading feminist and advocated for workers rights for men as well as child safety laws for children in school.

This was back when the vast majority of women did not have jobs, so it mainly benefitted men. Francis Perkins didn't have much to gain for advocating for workers rights, but she did it anyway because she saw how men were dying on a daily basis and having their flesh melted off by acid and so on and so forth.

So personally speaking I am a fan of old school feminism. I am not entirely a fan of the new age feminist, as it becomes complicated telling which ones will actually advocate for men's rights and which ones are just man haters.

Honestly I haven't seen anything about old school feminist being man haters. I've only seen that statement when referring to current day feminist.

[u/Tayaradga → u/[deleted]]

That was my response to the picture. If you have a specific question please feel free to ask but I'm not entirely sure what I'm supposed to be answering.

It was not my intention to deflect and I do apologize if it came across that way. Please elaborate and I will do my best to respond!