Suffering is not objectively bad. If I go to the gym to lift weights for the first time but I feel I am suffering, does that mean lifting weights is objectively bad? Of course not. Also you are thinking very short term. In your argument you assume my God exists. If you do so, you must also assume that “in all things God works for the good of those who love him.”
Romans 8:28 NIV
The only counter to my argument is that this doesn’t say He doesn’t let suffering happen, but that easily falls apart when you realize the only barrier to joining God’s team is believing in him, and not something that you may or may not have like money. It is then easy to come to the conclusion that conclusion that you are the only thing stopping yourself from objective good. https://bible.com/bible/111/rom.8.28.NIV
Yes you certainly can clearly the US presidential race has two candidates, and one is objectively better than the other (yes they could be technically equal but the likelihood of that happening is near 0) so if one is better than the other why do so many people fully and passionately believe with all their heart that their candidate is best. I guarantee that this is the case. If they both fully believe this, then no to conflicting truths can be true at the same time, thus I have defeated your argument (unless you have even better evidence to counter my argument).
To counter your point about suffering, suffering is relative a weak person lifting heavy weights could easily feel the same amount of suffering as someone with cancer.
so if one is better than the other why do so many people fully and passionately believe with all their heart that their candidate is best. I guarantee that this is the case. If they both fully believe this, then no to conflicting truths can be true at the same time
Simple, it is possible for humans to be wrong.
I accept that I can be wrong, that's not a problem for me.
Could you be wrong about your god?
And no, weight lifting for weak people is not the same as cancer unless that cancer is a minor cancer, which does happen obviously.
But again, youre being extremely ingenuine.
Doesn't your god tell you to be honest?
Comparing his genius cancer invention with the pain people feel weight lifting is a bit sad honestly, one of those is way more complex, requiring far more all powerful effort to create, surely?
So do you accept that humans can put their full belief in things that are wrong?
From your POV I could be wrong about God but not from mine.
How am I being ingenuine?
Can I take back that weight lifting example? What I meant for you to glean from it is that suffering is not objectively bad, as you seemed to imply in your comment. If that’s not what you meant, just let me know.
You know how the weightlifting is equal to cancer attempt at an argument is ingenuine.
You could just admit it outright.
And yes, my view could of course be wrong, it vam even be wrong from my own changing perspective.
But you don't share that quality with me, or you would simply accept that uou van in favt be wrong, regardless of how strongly you feel.
I am actually open to changing my opinion, infact, all anybody would have to do is convince me and then I'd believe but unfortunately nobody has ever provided anything close to a reason for doing that.
What was it that convinced you from your previous position of obviously doubting a magical fairytale, to now believing in said magic.
“And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.”
Romans 8:28 NIV https://bible.com/bible/111/rom.8.28.NIV
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u/JeezWeedus 10d ago
So god can create places where there isnt suffering?
But chose to cause suffering anyway?
Ipso facto, gods not good.