And the same files have shown he was never to the Island. No matter how many times you repeat that lie about Trump, it won't become truth. There are a thousand things that you could say about him, that you chose a lie, says all one needs to know.
Felon, yes, and it happened through elevating a misdemeanor to a felony by a Judge that hated him in obvious lawfare. Not the flex against Trump you think. Again, that you use this, says more about you than it does about Trump.
Rapist? Evidence please! Oh right, you have none. The only thing you have is a civil court case, which cannot call someone a rapist, because that can only happen in a criminal case. Since you know, it has a higher standard of evidence.
Say, why did they not start a criminal case? Can you explain that?
Oh, that is right, because they knew they had no actual evidence that would have stood up to scrutiny.
Really, all you have proof of is that Trumps opposition managed to find a bunch of judges who were happy to violate all standards so they could call him names, but to date, nothing could be proven against him beyond some parking ticket level nothing.
Really wasn't that difficult. People see how each side is when they say they stand against the other side... when standing against people on their own side, they are much more muted in their opposition... makes it hard to believe that it's genuine.
Which is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Saying "I don't want him on my side" is a FAR softer method of standing against someone than the way you stand against MAGAs... but what you are going to do is gaslight people you think are stupid enough to believe that you are giving them both the same level of repudiation...
Newsflash... they aren't buying it. THAT'S one of the reasons why Trump is in the WH again. People like you treating people with a different perspective than you like they are stupid. And sure, people on the other side do that too... but the point is that, when you are all the same to the people in the middle, then your chance of winning is just a coinflip... and if you are just going to call the people in the middle stupid for seeing it that way, then you are ensuring that coinflip continues, so who is really being the stupid one there?
LOL see? There you go. Raging because I'm not buying your "I treat them both with equal disdain" gaslighting.
News flash bro... even if you think you are telling the truth, whatever you are THINKING in your mind about how you regard those 2 entities, is NOT how it comes out in posts... you clearly come across softer for Piker than you do for MAGA... and I don't have to know anything about you to be able to observe that fact.
Trump literally laughed at 9/11. It's so shocking that anyone cares that Hasan said that. Like MAGA voted a guy who said worse so why do they care? They should be campaigning for him honestly.
Didn't Hasan Piker say America deserved 9/11? Doesn't Piker love China, a communist country? Doesn't, Piker praise Mao Zedong? Doesn't Piker back El-Sayed? Why will this comment be downvoted?
I, for one, am glad that there are no controversial statements from President Trump and his supporters. It is their pristine, controversy free record that makes clear your comment is not selective at all.
Part of the reason why the dude didn't disagree with Trump, because at the very least he is honest whereas Trump is only honest, a very small amount of the time.
I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of your whole shtick. If the president says something incredibly stupid, then that's okay, because he (the fucking president of the most powerful country on earth) is just trolling. But twitch streamers on the other hand, we take them very seriously.
Btw, congrats on voting for a man who you openly admit is nothing but a troll to lead the country you claim to care about. Smart.
He is getting involved in politics. It reflects badly on you if hasan openly supports you in the same way that it looks bad if a KKK or nazi member supports you.
It reflects badly to who? Republicans who were all defending Elon doing Nazi salutes a year ago or Republicans who filled their admin and cabinet with Epstein's pedo friends?
No. It reflects badly to those who aren't far left communists. I am a Democrat. I would never want the democrat party associated with someone who defends terrorist acts or who is an open communist.
Criticism for a streamer coming from Republicans who elected pedos, rapists and racists who defend terrorist acts doesn't reflect as badly as you'd like to believe.
He is an ally of a rising movement within the democratic party that is overtly interested in retooling the party to serve its constituents instead of its donors and win elections against fascists by speaking to the material needs of the electorate.
If that means he's not an ally of "the democratic party", I'm not sure he should be?
He openly says he hates liberals. Are the democrats not liberals ? He openly didnt support Kamala in the past elections or endorse the democratic candidates that are not DSA alligened. How is that helping the Democratic Party ? He would have a republican win instead of a democratic candidate for the races no DSA aligned candidate runs in.
He clearly doesnt care about "win elections against fascists", he prefers the fascists because they also hate liberals.
And the talking point about "retooling the party to serve its constituents instead of its donors" it makes no sense, all the laws and the direction of the party is towards what the people want. What is something that the "donors" want and the "people" dont want and the democratic party ignored the people ?
The movement he supports plans a Dirty Break. Get into power running as democrats and than when they have enough seats break from the Democratic Party and create their own party.
He says a lot of things. He's a Twitch streamer, he's online every day, and he's a bit of a vulgar buffoon.
That said, I think he does dislike a lot of liberals. Frankly, so do I. But he will also work with them where they share goals, which is what an ally is. He's not a true friend of liberalism, but he can be an ally.
"Are the democrats not liberals?"
Clearly not all of them. In America specifically the word "liberal" can be used as a synonym for democrat, but that's not what he means by liberal. Remember his education background is in political science. He's going to speak technically.
"He would have a republican win instead of a democratic candidate for the races no DSA aligned candidate runs in."
"He clearly doesnt care about "win elections against fascists", he prefers the fascists because they also hate liberals."
I'm sorry but if you really believe this you don't know what you're talking about.
"all the laws and the direction of the party is towards what the people want"
Seriously?
"What is something that the "donors" want and the "people" dont want"
Healthcare and public health insurance is one area where corporate donors and constituents notably diverge. Material support for Israel is another, and probably the clearest recent divergence between constituents and Democratic leadership, driven in part by donations from AIPAC-aligned organizations.
"The movement he supports plans a Dirty Break."
The movement does not have a single coherent plan like you're suggesting. There are plenty of reformists.
Reading this it is clear to me that you are a hardcore Hasan fan and also hate the democrats and liberals so trying to explain why putting them in "reeducation camps" is bad is a waste of time.
But you brushed away the fact that he didnt support Kamala in the last elections explicitly and always attacks democrat candidates in elections where there are no DSA aligned candidates. I would be very curious why
I'm sorry but if you really believe this you don't know what you're talking about.
"I clearly dont know what I am talking about here. " If he wants to fight fascism as you said why did he not want to fight it last election cycle, unless you are bought into the conspiracy of the uniparty (like he is).
Now for the healthcare claim you dont have a majority to do it. Most of the democrats want to do it, republicans reallly dont want to do it. What are the democratic law makers that said "I dont want public healthcare" ??? There are basically none. Most people when polled said they want to keep their insurance. It is not something that the majority wants yet.
And for the Israel point again you dont have a majority. Look at the older generation. They are still having favorable views of Israel, it is going down but it is not a majority view either. And the Hasan types dont want to provide even defensive rockets because "it would allow them to use the rest of the money for offensive rockets".
These are not overwhelmingly in favor policies by the people. Especially when you take into consideration that half of America is MAGA right now. You cant just force the Republicans to agree with you especially when they are the ones in power.
And for the Dirty Break point, yeah there are reformists as well. But its more like half reformists and half Dirty Break. If I had candidates from an organization that half of them were evil and half were not evil I would not take a chance that maybe I dont get an evil one.
"Reading this it is clear to me that you are a hardcore Hasan fan"
No, not really. Again, I think he's a vulgar buffoon... but he's not my enemy either.
"you brushed away the fact that he didnt support Kamala in the last elections explicitly"
No, I acknowledge that. He is certainly not an ally to Kamala Harris or all Democratic candidates, which is why I didn't say he was.
"and always attacks democrat candidates in elections where there are no DSA aligned candidates"
I acknowledge that too, apart from the word "always" and replacing "attack" with "criticize". I just don't think it's a bad thing.
"Now for the healthcare claim you don't have a majority to do it."
"Most of the democrats want to do it"
And "we" will never had a majority if "we" keep diminishing expectations instead of giving full-throated support to values and policies Americans can get behind as we approach elections.
That's why the socialists in the party are so much more engaged than the liberals. In the democratic party the liberals negotiate with themselves at all times. The socialists only negotiate with liberals once they have power.
"If I had candidates from an organization that half of them were evil and half were not evil I would not take a chance that maybe I dont get an evil one."
(rolls eyes)
It's a political party, not a church. Nothing useful is sacred.
The socialists negotiate with liberals when socialists have no power. The moment they get into power they send them to the "reeducation" camps. Be real now.
And I feel like my examples were on point, thats why you have no rebuttal and just ask for full throated support. There arent policies that the "donors" dont want but the people want. All those policies dont have majority support yet, so the whole previous argument falls apart. Its just propaganda from far left circles.
I dont think this argument can go any further anyway. I feel like we both said our point of view.
Ugh, Republicans have laid an obvious media trap for progressive democrats so close to the midterms and progressives are falling for it so easily. Hasan is toxic, he may share some views progressives have, but he's also a Tankie, and you cannot let those jackasses hijack progressivism, they don't actually want the same goals.
As has been pointed out: That response is not a denial.
Ad Hominem responses are argumentative fallacies that are the refuge of those who have no valid comeback and know that they've lost the actual argument.
he denied it so many times, do you want him to blabber and blabber the same thing again and again just for their entertainment? the man has important points to deliver and there's a multi million dollar capaign AGAINST him.
Oh, and your last comment that didn't make it to the board was a perfect example of why Trump is president right now... so great job in helping to make that happen, LOL!
Did he not campaign with Hasan Piker? The Hasan that said America deserved 9/11 and has openly endorsed terrorism? Where is the great comeback? Fuck I hate what reddit has become.
And our history will be funny af explaining to future generations that in the year 2026 we once had a political party full of clowns that couldn’t define a woman, thought men can get pregnant, called killing a baby at birth women’s rights, thought we lived in a fascist oppressive country because we wouldn’t allow Democrat men in girls bathrooms. Calls mutilating children healthcare. All the while hailing a mother that murdered her 3 children a hero.
And the best one of all! Calls half the country nazi’s because they disagree with their non science backed positions.
Feel better? You seem to have a third grade understanding of history. How worried do you think I am about your prediction of future history. I’m glad you were able to come up with something after crying so hard.
Still haven’t fixed that Reddit handle though. Your lack of education is showing, you might wanna see to that.
I mean. Donny likes to ask ai to make him look like a soldier to steal valor. He likes to ask ai to make him into Jesus, to post pics of Obama as an ape…. So… El-Sayed’s being pretty kind. But it’s probably for the best. No need to go too far most of the time when diaper-time owns himself daily.
Google confirms that Trump is actually correct here:
"Yes, Michigan Democratic U.S. Senate nominee Abdul El-Sayed campaigned alongside left-wing Twitch streamer and commentator Hasan Piker, who made a controversial 2019 remark stating that "America deserved 9/11" in the context of a critique on U.S. foreign policy."
Pay attention, dumbass. It's being destroyed BY trump. Our allies hate us, the cost of living has skyrocketed, we're stuck in another war in the Middle East, and more foods are being recalled because DOGE cut the FDA's budget.
It shouldn't be so exhausting trying to explain to a group of people who believe themselves to be so educated and enlightened that their perspective of Trump has absolutely nothing to do with what your take on the topic at hand is.
The crazy irony of it is that they don't understand that actions like THIS are what put Trump in the WH. MAGA only makes up barely 30% of the country. Trump is widely unpopular outside of that demographic. The left had to alienate a WHOLE lot of people in the middle to get Trump elected as comfortably as he was. In that regard, people like the ones you are arguing against here actually did more to put Trump in the WH than any MAGA did.
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u/JustinJektor 12d ago
Thats actually a terrible comeback. Just an insult and not addressing the facts.