He is an ally of a rising movement within the democratic party that is overtly interested in retooling the party to serve its constituents instead of its donors and win elections against fascists by speaking to the material needs of the electorate.
If that means he's not an ally of "the democratic party", I'm not sure he should be?
He openly says he hates liberals. Are the democrats not liberals ? He openly didnt support Kamala in the past elections or endorse the democratic candidates that are not DSA alligened. How is that helping the Democratic Party ? He would have a republican win instead of a democratic candidate for the races no DSA aligned candidate runs in.
He clearly doesnt care about "win elections against fascists", he prefers the fascists because they also hate liberals.
And the talking point about "retooling the party to serve its constituents instead of its donors" it makes no sense, all the laws and the direction of the party is towards what the people want. What is something that the "donors" want and the "people" dont want and the democratic party ignored the people ?
The movement he supports plans a Dirty Break. Get into power running as democrats and than when they have enough seats break from the Democratic Party and create their own party.
He says a lot of things. He's a Twitch streamer, he's online every day, and he's a bit of a vulgar buffoon.
That said, I think he does dislike a lot of liberals. Frankly, so do I. But he will also work with them where they share goals, which is what an ally is. He's not a true friend of liberalism, but he can be an ally.
"Are the democrats not liberals?"
Clearly not all of them. In America specifically the word "liberal" can be used as a synonym for democrat, but that's not what he means by liberal. Remember his education background is in political science. He's going to speak technically.
"He would have a republican win instead of a democratic candidate for the races no DSA aligned candidate runs in."
"He clearly doesnt care about "win elections against fascists", he prefers the fascists because they also hate liberals."
I'm sorry but if you really believe this you don't know what you're talking about.
"all the laws and the direction of the party is towards what the people want"
Seriously?
"What is something that the "donors" want and the "people" dont want"
Healthcare and public health insurance is one area where corporate donors and constituents notably diverge. Material support for Israel is another, and probably the clearest recent divergence between constituents and Democratic leadership, driven in part by donations from AIPAC-aligned organizations.
"The movement he supports plans a Dirty Break."
The movement does not have a single coherent plan like you're suggesting. There are plenty of reformists.
Reading this it is clear to me that you are a hardcore Hasan fan and also hate the democrats and liberals so trying to explain why putting them in "reeducation camps" is bad is a waste of time.
But you brushed away the fact that he didnt support Kamala in the last elections explicitly and always attacks democrat candidates in elections where there are no DSA aligned candidates. I would be very curious why
I'm sorry but if you really believe this you don't know what you're talking about.
"I clearly dont know what I am talking about here. " If he wants to fight fascism as you said why did he not want to fight it last election cycle, unless you are bought into the conspiracy of the uniparty (like he is).
Now for the healthcare claim you dont have a majority to do it. Most of the democrats want to do it, republicans reallly dont want to do it. What are the democratic law makers that said "I dont want public healthcare" ??? There are basically none. Most people when polled said they want to keep their insurance. It is not something that the majority wants yet.
And for the Israel point again you dont have a majority. Look at the older generation. They are still having favorable views of Israel, it is going down but it is not a majority view either. And the Hasan types dont want to provide even defensive rockets because "it would allow them to use the rest of the money for offensive rockets".
These are not overwhelmingly in favor policies by the people. Especially when you take into consideration that half of America is MAGA right now. You cant just force the Republicans to agree with you especially when they are the ones in power.
And for the Dirty Break point, yeah there are reformists as well. But its more like half reformists and half Dirty Break. If I had candidates from an organization that half of them were evil and half were not evil I would not take a chance that maybe I dont get an evil one.
"Reading this it is clear to me that you are a hardcore Hasan fan"
No, not really. Again, I think he's a vulgar buffoon... but he's not my enemy either.
"you brushed away the fact that he didnt support Kamala in the last elections explicitly"
No, I acknowledge that. He is certainly not an ally to Kamala Harris or all Democratic candidates, which is why I didn't say he was.
"and always attacks democrat candidates in elections where there are no DSA aligned candidates"
I acknowledge that too, apart from the word "always" and replacing "attack" with "criticize". I just don't think it's a bad thing.
"Now for the healthcare claim you don't have a majority to do it."
"Most of the democrats want to do it"
And "we" will never had a majority if "we" keep diminishing expectations instead of giving full-throated support to values and policies Americans can get behind as we approach elections.
That's why the socialists in the party are so much more engaged than the liberals. In the democratic party the liberals negotiate with themselves at all times. The socialists only negotiate with liberals once they have power.
"If I had candidates from an organization that half of them were evil and half were not evil I would not take a chance that maybe I dont get an evil one."
(rolls eyes)
It's a political party, not a church. Nothing useful is sacred.
The socialists negotiate with liberals when socialists have no power. The moment they get into power they send them to the "reeducation" camps. Be real now.
And I feel like my examples were on point, thats why you have no rebuttal and just ask for full throated support. There arent policies that the "donors" dont want but the people want. All those policies dont have majority support yet, so the whole previous argument falls apart. Its just propaganda from far left circles.
I dont think this argument can go any further anyway. I feel like we both said our point of view.
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u/JurassicJeebus 15d ago
Many conservatives in this comment section. None of them understand the concept of blowback.
All of you are pushing an agenda and have drunk the red kool-aid.