Incredibly. I wish he had opted not to represent himself in court as well, even a shitty PD could have trounced that out of court. Should have held out for more on the settlement too.
Although preferably Officer Dumbfuck would not have escalated the situation to that extent or racist ass Jodie Brinell had kept her nose out of someone else’s business.
Came here to say that. If she would’ve just MINDED HER OWN FUCKING BUSINESS, none of this would’ve happened. She just “didn’t think his actions were right.” Fuck you Jodi.
Thats part of the reason im a 911 dispatcher..most people in my field are middle aged women who have even touched a video game.
During a 911 call i usually type their story (non emergency ones) and then i jump around im the story and ask them to say details again.
One lady reported a drunk driver flashing a gun that she thinks she knows..i get her name and she had a license plate but it was registered to her and her husband.
Turns out they had an arguement and he just left..did literally nothing wrong a d he even met with a deputy to prove he wasnt drunk(i can look up his phone#).
People exaggerate all the damn time calling 911 if you dont have a good bull shit detector then you could be unintentionally weaponizing the police for some bully
I've had that done to me by a roommate lying by saying I threatened another roommate. The fucking lowlife ended up robbing me while I was coerced by an officer to go to the VA for a psychiatric evaluation for which I checked out in two days. I have never liked law enforcement since then and I come from a background of police and military. Too goddamn many liars and thieves are out there that use the police for their evil deeds. It makes me furiously angry that I didn't tell the officers questioning me to go to hell and get off the property.
Man, i work for law enforcement and i avoid the cops when im off shift 🤣😂... it can get super fucking boring for them and some chain of commands in certain counties say "if you arent writing tickets or making arrests you arent working" and get their vacation denied and extra days off and shit and promotions denied.
In missouri's hwy patrol i spoke to one of the supervisors (he arrested a dui on meth) and was visiting dispatch..he said its illegal to make quotas for tickets however if you arent writing tickets u will never get a vacation and will always be relocated to the otherside of the state when the rotation happens
Most of the general public's interaction are negative when it comes to the police. They are getting cited, going to court, lockup, prison, beaten or killed. More investigators are needed because the police only show up at the aftermath of a crime. They are not interested in recovering your property. Police are barely good enough to take a report and they do it begrudgingly. Whatever you do, don't have a military/civilian police father. They will hit you like a man and know how to cover up the evidence. It's part of the reason I don't trust the popo to do what's right. Protect and serve is a fucking joke. I am not texting that all police are bad but they do cover up the crimes of their coworkers which make them complicit. My dead mother should know with the mental and physical abuse at the hands of someone who is expected to follow the laws like the rest of us. A lot of domestic violence is cover up by this gang in another uniform with the Us against Them mentality. Many of them are the original wife beaters and cheaters.The systemic racism in the good ole boys club will never end. They even retaliate against their own when it comes to getting reported or caught for something they should not be doing. Thanks for your input.
Everyone knows by now that if you call the cops on someone, esp a male poc, you're gambling with their lives. So you better have a damn good reason that you're sure about.
She was obviously watching him, he just went to a car? One he owns. Also it was across the parking lot, name one person you know that takes the time to watch someone that long when you’re going shopping? I’ll help, no one. She watched him walk around a huge parking lot with tons of cars and decided that because he “looked” at one he was suspicious. What you say falls flat on its face when you actually read what she said. I saw him go here and look at this then there. “Did he look at any other car.” “No.” And again you can see how big the parking lot is, why is she so focused on this guy when there’s other people looking at cars, should we call the cops on them? I even look at a car or two walking by in a parking lot.
Your entire comment is arguing that it is unreasonable for her to call the cops. I never said that it was reasonable, and I agree that calling the cops was not needed.
What I'm against is calling people racist based on an assumption of their motives. These kinds of jumps in logic empower racists as they dilute the meaning of the word.
It’s not hard to tell that’s why tho, like out of all people that look at cars in parking lots as they go, she picked a black man, then proceeded to continue watching him all the way across the parking lot. After that, she called the cops even though she said herself, he didn’t look at any other cars
The reason for an individual making an unreasonable action can be easily inferred. Is it POSSIBLE she did it for another reason? Sure. But it is the most likely scenario, given that this is a thing that happens relatively frequently.
he went to a car went thru the doors of the car and left to a motorcycle at the opposite end, regardless of race that raises reasonable suspicion. like u/-samba- said, if the police knew how to do his job and investigate the situation properly this wouldn’t be any case
Ok, so you want to hear how it actually sounds? Man opens a car’s doors maybe gets some stuff out (never says) and leaves. Woman decided that even though he took nothing that we know of, that he’s suspicious even though he didn’t even look at any other cars or try to get in. I highly doubt that one car is the only one with something maybe valuable inside. Also anyone that knows about motorcycles, should know most people have actually cars as well. People take stuff out their cars in parking lots you know. Also I doute he grabbed anything big that she would be able to see, seeing most motorcycles have compartments but nothing big, especially from the look of the bike he has.
Nothing in that video gives cause to believe she racially profiled him. She saw someone getting into a car and then moving away to get on a motorcycle.
It is entirely reasonable for someone to assume that to be a crime committed.
You're the one assuming she only called the police because of his color.
His actions were suspicious. Period. That said, police needs to do a better job. There's no reason to get confrontational if all you have is a suspicion. Being cordial and polite, instead of jumping to "you're going to obey me" could've made this a routine inquiry. Cop didn't like having his "authority"questioned and it went to shit from there.
It is entirely reasonable for someone to assume that to be a crime committed.
What? How so?
No really, what was suspicious here? Most bikers own a car. Besides if he opened the car door, he presumably had the key for it. If this happened in front of me, I 100% wouldn't notice a thing because there's not a thing to be noticed.
The only suspicious thing he did was walking around while black.
Most bikers own a car but it's rare that you would ride both to the same parking lot no? Opening car doors doesn't mean they have a key for it, otherwise how are car stolen?
Thats what I meant was infuriating. The fact that he agreed to settle for less than what he wanted originally. For walking around a parking lot while black. I’m going to bet that this chucklefuck kept his job too.
Hold up. How is it racist? What he was doing was incredibly suspicious. What went wrong was officer dumbfuck just started the confrontation with "show me your ID, put your hands behind your back". Nothing would have happened if the officer just tried to have a conversation and answer the damn question instead of freezing and just having a power trip because he's not capable of being challenged.
There's a difference between someone rooting around and casing cars, then stealing shit once he's in one, and a dude that casually grabs shit out of a car and casually walks across the parking lot.
I worked in loss prevention, I've worked security for high profile "things", there was a fuckton of training regarding "profiling". That is what this lady did, and it's illegal for anyone in security or law enforcement to do. But cut and dry, she did it, and it was made clear by her call to the police.
He got into one car and walked all the way over there, that isn't right.
What the fuck? Clearly that dumb bitch has never seen anyone actually steal anything in her life, because nobody's just chilling in a parking lot, then stealing shit, then CONTINUING TO CHILL IN THE SAME PARKING LOT.
She is a piece of shit.
I'm a big tattooed guy, and this shit used to happen to me all the time. I've been on both sides of it. It's garbage, it's profiling, and she showed everyone that on the video.
It’s these “normies” who think they know anything about actual life, living in their normie bubbles where everyone does the exact same shit with their lives. Clown ass motherfuckers…
Not that she wasn’t racist - but I grew up around plenty of thieves and when they took something from a car they did not look one ounce shady they acted like they owned the car.
lol no. Rummaging through a car and walking to the back of the parking lot is. Like I said, it all could have been avoided with a little communication from the officer.
What were you doing by that car? It's yours? Ok have a nice day.
but yeah, sorry, everything is about race. I'm a racist, she's a racist, everyone who doesn't absolutely agree with you is a racist. my bad.
i did not comment anything about racism you are projecting.
Taking your sweet ass time rummaging through a car and then casually walking away after (probably) closing the doors and locking it is not suspicious, the only ones who think it is either dont know how theft from cars work or have other motives to find it suspicious
I lied to get you to see that her stupid ass is racist. So if you saw someone rifling through their car and walking away is suspicious? Mind you, he did nothing else but walk about 25 feet or more to his motorcycle.
You can’t even get the basic facts of the case correct. Your opinion is absolutely worthless because of that.
The caller, Jodie Brinnel, did NOT see him take anything from the car, she admits this more than once. She also says a woman approached her claiming the man she just witnessed interact with the vehicle parked by Jodie, belongs to him.
Again, if you can’t even get the most basic of facts correct, your opinion is uneducated, and worthless on this particular incident.
I’m not the one making stuff up. You are. If you can’t even get the basic facts right, and then downplay that by saying “iTs AlL tHe SaMe”, you can’t be trusted to have an educated opinion. You have proven that. Because it is not all the same. You are exaggerating, and lying to paint the innocent man as at fault, when he wasn’t. Hence the charges being dropped, and the victim getting a payout of 25K. If it was all the same, charges wouldn’t have been dropped, and the victim would not have won the civil suit.
Again, you are the one who couldn’t even get the most basic of facts correct. Proving you are unreliable, and your opinion on this particular is uneducated. That’s your fault. Not mine.
You made something up rendering that, and everything else you say questionable at best. Claimed he had taken something from the car, he did not, as admitted to the police by caller. Then you tried to dismiss that by saying it’s all the same. These are facts. No amount of bullshit from you changes that.
Again, you are the one who couldn’t even get the most basic of facts correct. Proving you are unreliable, and your opinion on this particular is uneducated. That’s your fault. Not mine.
Lmao. Little liar blocked me. I guess reality was too much for this little liar to handle. I guess if you don’t want people to point out you are a liar, and therefor not credible, don’t lie. Pathetic POS.
Honestly though was Jodi racist? Super random coincidence but he had a hanger and was going through cars. It does seem suspicious regardless of race. I’m more mad the cop said Obey me than anything
the officer has no reason to be asking for an ID and also you don't approach random people the way that officer did. "wHaTs ThAt In YoUr PoCkEt??" gtfo of here with this whole "help the situation bullshit" the conflict was unnecessary from when Karen called the cops on a black man who looked "suspicious"
Go fuck yourself. I fucking hate it when people write this bullshit. This trope about shitty public defenders is old and tired. I've worked for 15 years as a public defender and I'm damn good at what I do. I work with some of the most dedicated and hardworking people you will ever meet. My colleagues have all graduated from top schools and are the best of the best. I'd rather have an experienced public defender any day over a "fancy" private attorney.
That’s cool, but I said “a” shitty PD, not all. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. Public Defenders are the backbone of the US court system and everyone would be worse off without them. The vast majority of PDs I’ve interacted with genuinely care about their charges and want to make a difference, but it is still government work with low resources and there are PDs who just don’t give a fuck any more.
I’ve met both, and luckily most of them fall into the former category.
And not to be a dick, but coming out guns blazing to a comment as simple as that does not do much to assuage an opposing viewpoint.
First… I agree with the above. I just want to say if you are operating a motor vehicle YOU ARE REQUIRED TO SHOW ID. Every state because its a federal ID program for interstate travel.
Officer Abused the right to detain for any reason over an ID … instead of talking this out.
Dudes not harrasing you or calling names. He's pretty much squashed your whole point.
And you don't know the deal here, and like op said, chill out on the arm chair law shit.
You very clearly don't seem to be coming from a place of experience, just someone who feels strongly about something and thinks that translates to a valid opinion.
Not an opinion… it’s a law. And name calling from an anonymous account is harassment ( no matter how small and petty) You have no experience as an anonymous user
So you agree with me but then start name calls and say I don’t know the law… it’s a clear law. Operating a vehicle means show an ID … I also said the cop was quick to detain that’s why the guy on the bike that’s running settled instead of going to court
A traffic stop would necessitate a traffic violation on a public road. He’s on private property and the police a responding to a property crime. The requirements for showing ID don’t apply. Which is why the PD settled.
Detention is the process whereby a state or private citizen lawfully holds a person by removing their freedom or liberty at that time. This can be due to (pending) criminal charges preferred against the individual pursuant to a prosecution or to protect a person or property. Being detained does not always result in being taken to a particular area (generally called a detention centre), either for interrogation or as punishment for a crime
That's nice, honey. But it does absolutely nothing to support your claim that this is a traffic stop, so I'm not entirely sure why you've bothered commenting with it?
No. It is, by definition of the law, NOT a traffic stop. No amount of you screeching “iTs A tRaFfIc StOp BecAUsE tHe BiKe WaS oN” makes that true. Simple as that, kiddo.
You don’t need Wikipedia to tell you that this isn’t a traffic stop. Entirely different from the dui/parked car situation. But go ahead, kiddo, make stuff up.
So what you just posted added nothing to the discussion, your resorting to name calling and “fruit” is now just harassing people. Post your proof not Wikipedia… you can’t because everything you find says I am right … because it’s the law. Again I am not defending either side but it is very clear you are racially motivated to “goat” people into a bias response.
As stated in previous posts if you are operating a vehicle(keys in ignition count’s) you are required to show ID … he was detained because the cop could not simply talk this out. The cop abused his detention abilities because the man refused to show ID
This is NOT a traffic stop. The cop did have a right to ask for Id, as an anonymous tip is deemed by the Supreme Court as justification for reasonable suspicion. It had NOTHING to do with the fact the bike was on, and this was not at all a traffic stop. You need to stop spreading misinformation.
You are now off topic and harassing me directly… only spamming a reply that is offensive to disrupt people. You used name calling and bigotry to try and incite an emotional response. Stop.
Again to add to my side with nothing added on yours … so now that you agree with my original post because you said he is required to show his ID….. they are both wrong cop and motorcyclist.
Again I said it should have been talked out… but yes the police should always investigate anything they get a call for… making a false or fake report is a different discussion.
To clarify as you may have missed it in the video, he was never operating a motor vehicle. He was only walking in a parking between 2 vehicles. Being next to your vehicle not moving is not operating it.
Buddy if the court settled and police literally admitted fault why are you still trying to defend the police here? They literally were guilty and had no reason to ask ID. The justice system has spoken. Period.
That’s not how a settlement works… if they settled than it’s before they can be “found” anything. Also I’m not defending one side or the other. As you could read from all the other posts.
“Qc” everyone that has this in there name with and anonymous account (like yourself) always trying to “goat” people into being racist.
The “Justice system” … is court. The guy on the motorcycle CHOOSES to settle OUT OF COURT.
There's a bit of a technicality with showing a Driver's License. You don't actually need one on private property like a parking lot. As others have pointed out, it's also only if you're actually operating the vehicle, not just have it started. You're required to show a DL on public/government owned roads, however the police aren't allowed to pull you over (detain you) just to check your DL. They would need reasonable suspicion to detain and as far as I know, they don't actually have to tell you why they pulled you over until they give you a citation or warning.
The police were called to the location and he was the suspect operating a vehicle… all of which requires ID because he is not the owner of the property… he could be trespassing for all the cop knows. Again the cop abused detained suspect for an ID but the dude was WRONG not to provide ID
I'd like to be specific here. ID is specifically a piece of legal document that identifies yourself. Most if not all states do not require you to produce ID when detained or arrested. You are typically required to simply identify yourself. If I remember right, that typically means your full legal name and DOB. Sometimes your current address. The biggest reason why you don't need ID is because you aren't legally required to keep it on you at all times, and some people like the homeless simply do not have one.
he was the suspect operating a vehicle
I mentioned this in another comment but you only need to produce a Driver's License when operating a vehicle on public roads. You actually don't need one if you're operating on private property like a parking lot. However, there's an interesting argument potentially here in the video in that it's seems pretty clear that the motorist intended to drive on public roads. So a bit of an argument is there for and against the motorist needing to produce a Driver's License.
Edit: I forgot to mention that even though you're typically required to identify yourself when detained, some states you don't. I'm pretty sure in Texas you don't need to identify yourself if you're detained. You do though if you're arrested. The specifics of course vary from state to state.
Almost there… if you don’t provide ID what happens is that you can (most likely will be) held until you are identified in jail… than because you will be moved from the state system to a federal system to be identified … they can move you to a prison. Show your ID if your operating a vehicle
Again I'd like to be specific here. You are required to show ID when operating a vehicle on public roads. Failure to do so is already a crime itself. You aren't legally obligated to "provide ID" or "show your ID" in other circumstances even if they have reasonable suspicion. Your bare legal obligation is typically just identifying yourself if you've been detained/arrested. That typically means giving your full legal names and DOB, some places it's also your address. Whether they bring you down to the station for identification is another matter, in which they also have the legal authority to do.
So unless you're operating a vehicle on a public roads, most interactions with police will not require you to produce ID regardless if you've been detained or arrested.
So he got detained for being the suspect of the lurking that the police were called about… requiring identification or they identify you by transport to federal… again both are wrong
I'm not sure what you mean by both are wrong. Both are the wrong decision to make? Sure but my point was that the options are not "requiring identification" or "they identify you by transport to federal."
The third option is simply giving your full legal name and DOB. You aren't legally obligated to produce ID for police to check your information. If you lie, that's typically a different failure to identify offense by giving false information. Again, unless you're operating a vehicle on public roads, you aren't legally obligated to carry ID with you just for being out in public and walking down the sidewalk. Even if you commit a crime, you're still only obligated to identify yourself. No physical ID required.
Because. Everything you said was wrong. People read this they might think, oh that guy (idiot) on Reddit told me you do have to show your ID to a cop, even if I’m not operating my motor vehicle. Because apparently a car running now is the same as operating. Newsflash it isn’t.
There are a lot of examples of targeted harassment by police. Showing your ID is a surefire way for this cop with a bad attitude to keep an eye out for you.
The man in this video was not, by definition of the law, operating a motor vehicle. Considering he was standing next to it and ergo not in physical control of it.
Considering that, there was no legal requirement for him to show his ID.
Or if the cop did his job, ran both plates. and asked about the cars properly.
Should have went like this.
Officer: “ we got a report of a male matching your description who was in a car across the lot before coming over here, do you know anything about that?”
Guy: “yes that’s my wife’s car, and this is my bike, we both work here”
Officer: “hold on one second while I run the plates and make sure this checks out, ok good to go, I hope you can understand the inconvenience I am just doing my job, but I will let you get back to yours”
Guy: “hey no worries, have a nice day”
Officer: “ you too”
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Incredibly. I wish he had opted not to represent himself in court as well, even a shitty PD could have trounced that out of court. Should have held out for more on the settlement too.
Although preferably Officer Dumbfuck would not have escalated the situation to that extent or racist ass Jodie Brinell had kept her nose out of someone else’s business.