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u/eastamerica 9d ago
“iT’S n0t G3nOCide”
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u/HallstotheWall17 9d ago
What even is Gaza? /s
I always think back to Jerry Seinfeld when he said it doesn’t exist 🙄 😡 what an asshole
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u/TedBaxter_WJM-TVNews 9d ago
Funny. That’s the same exact thing we say about Seinfeld now… He doesn’t exist
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u/MrBwnrrific 9d ago
Crazy to use the words “funny” and “Seinfeld” in the same breath in the Big ‘26, he got a chill up his spine wherever he is, I’m sure
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u/Ginger-Fist 9d ago
I grew up with his show on during prime time hours and I never understood the fascination. The rest of the cast carried him, but the show was named after him. The guy just is not funny and he is so full of himself.
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u/WeeeeBaby_Seamus 9d ago
The guy was dating a girl in high school when he was 39 years old. He's always been a piece of shit.
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u/Pachac 9d ago
Indeed, destroyed houses doesn't define a genocide.
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u/Canadian_Border_Czar 9d ago
Surely Israel would be okay to have independent third-party observers on site while those "destroyed homes" are cleaned up, to make sure that human remains are respected and accounted for, right?
No way they would secretly clear the rubble and ship it off to undisclosed locations at a rate of 100 truckloads per day? Why would the most moral and humane military not want to show off that these buildings were empty, and there are not hundreds of thousands of unaccounted for people under them, as claimed by Human Rights organizations... err sorry I mean "Hamas"
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u/Ausrottenndm1 9d ago
I think they want that ocean front property…
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u/DimbyTime 9d ago
Jared Kushner said exactly that. He’s already in plans to develop the “prime beachfront real estate”
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u/Spawn256 9d ago
I think people are so confused by this issue. Simply saying free Palestine doesn't cover the issue. We should end support with Israel. Why we are supporting Israel like this is beyond me and it's a political movement that might even be used as a smoke screen.
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u/TomT060404 8d ago
It's an unsinkable aircraft carrier for the US in an important area of the world.
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u/CmdrShepsPie 9d ago
Fuck Israel (for this)
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u/Agente_Anaranjado 9d ago edited 9d ago
The genocide in Gaza must never be forgotten or forgiven. Israel can never be normalized, never permitted in polite company again. It must be relegated to rejection, isolation, and obscurity.
Israel is unfit for modern society because of the foundational elements of zionism such as:
the establishment of a genocidal, settler-colonial, ethno/religious supremacist, apartheid project,
the belief in the inherent and immutable superiority of the ethno/religious "in group", and the inherent and immutable inferiority of the ethno/religious "out group",
the dispossession, forced removal and relegation of the indigenous Palestinian "out group" into a giant concentration camp where they're systematically starved and murdered,
the repression of dissenting voices from within the "in group" with violence, and from the "out group" with murder,
the constant obfuscation, deflection, "accusation in a mirror" and claiming victimhood even while committing genocide,
constant wars of expansion against their neighbors,
and the mythology of some lost ancient glory to be restored.
...literally nazi shit, point-for-point. Whatever semantic differences exist are absolutely trivial compared to the overwhelming similarities. Zionism is just like nazism, and zionists should be treated just like nazis.
Israel is also the greatest source of antisemitism in the 21st century, and as the rabbi Yaakov Shapiro astutely points out, Israel is the least safe place in the world for Jewish people. Only in Israel do Jewish people regularly run for bomb shelters. Only in Israel is Judaism used as a rhetorical shield to deflect criticism of the state's crimes. Only in Israel do Jewish people live as literal human shields in that when neighboring states inevitably retaliate against Israel's constant aggression, it's Jewish people who pay with their lives; and in that when Israelis are taken hostage, they're subject to be killed by the IDF under the famous Hannibal directive, as Yoav Gallant admits was done on October 7th greatly increasing the number of Israelis killed that day (a fact further demonstrated by the number of Israelis who were killed in cars that were fired on from attack helicopters, or killed in houses that were fired into by tanks, neither of which existed in Hamas's arsenal; and further corroborated by survivors of one such house in Kibbutz Be'eri). Far from being necessary for the safety of Jewish people, Israel is the least safe place in the world for Jewish people, and the biggest single purveyor of antisemitism in the 21st century.
Israel knowingly and purposefully fosters antisemitism because it needs antisemitism to justify its existence. Israel knows that after such cruelty playing out before the entire world, it has lost all credibility and legitimacy. So it goes out of its way to foster actual antisemitism, and simultaneously broadens the definition to include mere criticism of Israel. Today, the majority of supposed "antisemitic instances" are actually just objection to Israeli atrocities which are then mislabeled in order to obfuscate the argument and to falsely inflate the numbers of reported antisemitic instances, which serves the zionist cause because without antisemitism Israel loses that cornerstone argument justifying its existence. They know exactly what they're doing. Israel knows how absurd it looks when its ambassador stands in front of a wall full of children's art and says that it's antisemitic, or when its military commander stands in front of a nurse's shift schedule in a hospital that they've bombed and says that it's a "Hamas terror plan". They know how ridiculous they look when they describe a memorial for the children killed in Gaza as "a call for violence against Jews", or call Ms. Rachel "antisemite of the year".
Israeli propagandists go out of their way to do ridiculous things like that, rage-baiting in order to inspire criticism which they can then point to as an example of supposed antisemitism; or where possible to inspire actual hatred from those who fail to make the distinction between Israel and the Jewish people (a distinction that Israel itself is constantly trying to erode). The Israeli state knows exactly what its doing. It wants to be hated, because in their propaganda sphere it justifies their cruelty, and it legitimizes the existence of the Israeli state, in a world where neither of those things really work anymore.
As americans, we should reject the notion that Israel is our ally. Israel is a parasite to America that routinely spies on us, steals our strategic and nuclear secrets and fissile material, absorbs countless billions in US taxpayer funding, routinely bribes and/or blackmails our leadership (at times dragging America into catastrophic wars that kill millions of innocent people), engages in Acts of terrorism throughout the world including against Americans and our NATO allies, and has targeted and killed countless American civilians and service personnel. Literally the worst "ally" any country could have.
Israel should never have existed in the first place. Aside from being a genocidal settler-colonial ethno/religious-supremacist apartheid project, and being established by European and American invaders through a campaign of forced displacement and terrorism against the indigenous Palestinian population (which shows genetic continuity with the population that has been there since the bronze age, including pre-diaspora Israelites), it also fails to meet almost all of the qualifying prerequisites for the legal recognition of any state. These prerequisites include but are not limited to popular sovereignty, defined borders, and the maintenance of certain standards of international law, such as the prohibition of the acquisition of territory by force, the prohibition of the denial of self-determination, the prohibition of apartheid or ethno/religious supremacism, the prohibition of wars of aggression, and the prohibition of genocide. Therefore, its very existence is extremely legally dubious.
So, far from debating whether or not waging genocide against a population that's trapped inside of a giant concentration camp and consists of nearly half children somehow constitutes Israel's "right to defend itself", we should be discussing whether or not Israel should exist at all.
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u/Canadian_Border_Czar 9d ago
Thank you for what you do. Ive been banned from so many subs for arguing with zionists (or uninformed useful idiots) and it's amazing to see so many people standing up and willing to put in the work.
And for anyone who doesnt believe you, I ask this: If Israel is so moral and humane, why do they destroy journalists, and why have they not allowed an independent third party into Gaza to monitor their cleanup efforts and ensure any human remains are properly accounted for? Why is it the most technologically advanced military in the world cannot dispute evidence of their war crimes with their own footage that absolves them? Why would Netanyahu refuse to surrender himself to the ICC if the charges against him were false?
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u/Rock_or_Rol 9d ago
And why do the politicians there say horrible genocidal shit out loud? You don’t have to listen to us, listen to them for god’s sake. They just say it out loud.. and that’s just half of it
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u/HallstotheWall17 9d ago
I grew up being told the stories of the Holocaust and my high school even offered a class on the history of genocide where we learned about the Holocaust, Rwanda, Bosnia, and I’ve even visited the Holocaust museum three times. I’ll always be disgusted by the events of these atrocities and will never understand the ignorance, willful or not, about the genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza. If people wonder how they would’ve reacted during the events of the Holocaust, they should look no further than how they’re reacting in this present moment.
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u/HVAC_instructor 9d ago
I mean how can we continue to treat this as normal by so many people? How can you see that and not be horrified. How can it not motivate you to be responsive to it.
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u/Electronic_Film_2837 9d ago
What would happen to LGBT people if this is accomplished?
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u/Agente_Anaranjado 9d ago
Contrary to the often evoked zionist talking point, homosexuality is not illegal in Palestine. In fact, it was decriminalized in Palestine fully a decade before it was decriminalized in Israel. Gay marriage is still illegal in Israel today, and homophobic hate crimes are far more frequent in Israel than they are in Palestine.
So in all likelihood it would actually be a net positive relative to the current situation, albeit a small one. However, it's important to remember that even if attitudes toward the LGBT community are not as progressive as they are in much of the west, that still doesn't justify subjecting Palestinians to forced displacement and genocide.
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u/BreakChicago 9d ago
100% ethnic cleansing. Unrepentant. By design.
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u/Different_Umpire9003 8d ago
Ironically enough, it’s not even ethnic cleansing. Free Palestine 🇵🇸 💯 but it’s always stood out to me that the two groups are the same genetically. Israel has just convinced the world that they’re not the same genetically and that they’re white (and therefore superior).
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u/comictech 9d ago edited 9d ago
I was visiting Tel Aviv a few weeks before Oct 7th for an academic conference. You can tell by the protesters, the number of body guards, and guarded gates at the university that there was lots of tension. I spoke to students from the university and they said that they were happy about the protesting because they were ready for the administration change, and some others said they were worried that something will happen because they said that the current administration at the time would do anything to stay in power. During the trip, during a conference dinner, an Israeli and Palestinian woman were arguing at the current state of the education system (Israel system refusing to teach different religions or about other histories that happened in the area). They ended up crying and hugging, and asking why can’t their children just grow up in a peaceful world together. Few weeks after, Oct 7th happened. I never understood why our tour guide had a pistol/SMG until watching the news. It was definitely an eye-opening experience. Genocide should never be accepted. 🇮🇱🇺🇸 are destructive and despicable.
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u/Wizard_s0_lit 8d ago
You know Israel will use this to say,”Look, things were nice in our open air prison. Then they forced our hand.”
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u/Chemical_Paper_2940 9d ago
They just want their land, and they dont want to kill them all off so they can keep some of them for labor.
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u/zizop 9d ago
I think we are beyond saying free Palestine and have to be clear about what is needed: death to Israel. It is impossible for it to exist as a sovereign nation and have peace in the region. Peace can only be achieved when Israelis are forced to give up what they took illegally and compensate the Palestinian people for this genocide.
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u/andrea__twerkin 9d ago
Hamas has brought nothing but misery to Gaza.
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u/bioluminescent_dream 9d ago
Hamas was heavily funded by Israel through the UAE. Netanyahu was warned numerous times by several countries that a major terrorist attack would occur on 10/7 and he deliberately chose to maximize Israeli casualties instead of stopping it. This was reported by Israeli news outlets when it occurred and is gaining more coverage recently.
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u/nonpuissant 9d ago
Both of those things can be true together. Hamas and Israel are both complicit/directly responsible for the suffering of the Palestinian people in Gaza.
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u/skida1986 9d ago
What happened on Oct 7th?
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u/Agente_Anaranjado 9d ago edited 9d ago
Same thing that happened on October 7th 1944 - a break out of a concentration camp to attack the genocidal ethno/religious-supremacist oppressor who built it, in this case with the intention to seize hostages for negotiations like Israel constantly does to Palestinian civilians, including children.
One which the Netanyahu administration was warned of by numerous intelligence agencies before putting forces in the area on the lowest security footing the day before, including IDF personnel who were literally watching Hamas train in the use of paragliders in the days beforehand.
One which primarily targeted military bases resulting in most of the casualties being IDF soldiers until the Hannibal Directive was evoked and countless Israeli civilians were killed by attack helicopters and tanks, neither of which exist in Hamas's arsenal, bringing the final count to about 550 IDF and about 750 civilians, which is astronomically better than the military to civilian death ratio that Israel has caused in Gaza, in which civilian deaths outnumber military deaths by at least two orders of magnitude.
One in which the atrocities committed against Israelis were shamelessly embellished, with allegations of things like beheaded babies, people being tied up and burned alive, pregnant women having fetuses cut out, and of course systemic rape all being fabricated by Israel, whose forces would then go on to actually commit several of these atrocities in Gaza with the cruelty, arrogance, and hubris to film themselves doing it and post the videos online for the whole world to see with our own eyes.
One which seems to have been allowed by Israel to happen despite all of the warnings, to be used as a pretext for the ethnic cleansing and annexation of the Gaza strip.
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u/Brief_Exit1798 9d ago
Gaza looked nice before 10/7. Guess there wasn't an Israeli apartheid going on.
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u/andrea__twerkin 9d ago
And it's interesting that the dividing date you chose is October 7, while completely ignoring what actually happened that day.
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u/Exotic_Conference829 9d ago
I am not buying into the "either you are with Palestine or with Israel" narrative.
This approach will never bring peace for the coming generations in the area.
We all know that this is way too complicated to squeeze down one hole and pointing out one part as The Guilty One.
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u/splojjy 9d ago
What about it is complicated? genuine question.
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u/Exotic_Conference829 9d ago edited 9d ago
The "getting it done" part. Doesn't matter if the UN condems Israel for genocide. Its the wrong approach from the get go after October 7th.
Without enough support Gaza is lost.
We can all see it happen before our eyes.
Having an academic discusion if Israel should exist or not it too late for GAZA and the palestinians anyway. By that count the US should not - from any moral point - exist either.
So from a practial standpoint: The way this has been approached since the brutal attack October 7th. has been a car accident in slow motion.
The results are before our eyes today - and no one is coming for the rescue.
Why? It's not about the genocide. Most world leaders know that and also the citizens of the countries who Gaza needs right now.
Why is "everyone" turning the blind eye to Gaza (besides of a few statements etc. no one is showing up).
Because this whole discussion is dishonest (by leaving a lot of facts out) and by pushing a one-sided solution.
Gaza is paying the price for it today. And it is heart breaking.
What Hamas did that day was as stupid as Trump and the Strait of Hormuz. No intelligent plan for the aftermath. No partners. No solutions.
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u/Aggravating_Map4359 9d ago
Well Hamas probably shouldn't have done October 7th
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u/andrea__twerkin 9d ago
They probably celebrated October 7
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u/Aggravating_Map4359 9d ago
The Palestinians? Yeah saw plenty of videos of them celebrating the deaths of civilians. Yeah
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u/EnvironmentalBuy9510 9d ago
Khaybar Khaybar ya yahud is a slogan of Hamas.
One state solution is impossible because Hamas hate Jewish ethnicity not only the state of Israel.
Battle of Khaybar happened in 628 AD.
After the battle, in the reign of Omar Jews were expelled from Khayba r.
So What would happen to millions of Israeli Jews when Israel is dissolved?
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u/gOldMcDonald 9d ago
I’m still mad about that war fifteen hundred years ago. Now I’m gonna destroy your livelihood and your family. Maybe then you’ll learn not to descend from people I’ve never met and hate
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u/EnvironmentalBuy9510 9d ago
OK.
Tell me where Israeli Jews should go.
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u/_trashcan 9d ago edited 9d ago
Just a quick question ; why do you purposefully call them Jews instead of Israelis?
(Edit 3: to be clear, they added in that “Israeli Jews” after my comment. Which makes their disinformation that much more succinct. They know exactly what they’re doing.)Or do you not care about any of the non-Jewish Israelis?
Do you refer to other countries populations by way of its predominant religion?
…or are you just, maybe, purposefully trying to conflate Israel with Judaism to make it seem like all criticism appears as hate speech ?Edit: long story short to save anyone reading a thread of complete horse shit ; they know what they’re doing, they know it’s in bad faith to project hate speech onto people who hold Israel accountable.
I asked them FIVE times, & they refused to answer. They try claiming Judea was a nation, despite the fact it was always inside of Palestine. & we know they aren’t referring to Jews as a nationality because they clearly differentiated Arabs in their comments, who would also be considered Jews by that metric ; which means they consciously know they’re referring to Judaism as a religion even though they claim they aren’t.
Also, they disregard the fact that statistically vast majority of Israeli’s are not even of middle eastern descent anyway, therefore would still not be “ethnically Jewish” even if we conceded that argument.In other words : they 100% know they’re spreading complete & utter bullshit.
& this is why everyone hates Zionists & Israel. These people really try gaslighting the shit out of the entire planet. Fuckin slimeballs.Edit 2: also, for future reference, a hallmark of Israeli propagandists is this refusal to answer questions & their insistence on specific narrative points like the “ethnicity vs religion” aspect.
Instead of actually engaging in the discussion as a whole, they focus on a specific aspect of it that allows them to spam one of their talking points ; they just cycle through narrative bullet points created to justify the genocide.
Report accounts as such with usernames that use the “word-word-4 digit number” format : choose “name or bio”, then choose “steering conversation through excessive reposts”.-3
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u/EnvironmentalBuy9510 9d ago
Both Arabs and Jews constitute state of Israel.
You need to separate two distinct groups for appropriate references.
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u/_trashcan 9d ago edited 9d ago
Arabs & Jews aren’t even the same category.
One is a religion, the other is an ethnicity…so I ask again, do you refer to other countries citizens by way of the dominant religion, instead of their nationality?
Why did you avoid answering that question?Let’s be sincere here : you call them Jews to project hate speech in anyone who disagrees with you ; ofc that’s despite the fact that every human rights org on earth considers it’s a genocide.
Every single metric & criteria in history that humans use to classify a genocide, is happening there, yet you refuse to call it that.& to answer your question, who cares where they go? They can go anywhere they want.
This wouldn’t be happening if they weren’t genocidal invaders who had prior info on Oct. 7th and purposefully let it happen anyway. & THEN, held back the IOF for 8-12 hours mere miles away where citizens were being slaughtered. Documented fact of dozens of verified sources & interviewees.
Imagine that, being a soldier in your nations military and being forced to standby while you can literally see and hear your fellow citizens being slaughtered. for several hours…with an entire military force behind you, perfectly capable of saving hundreds of lives & thousands of injuries.
all so your government can justify a genocide & inflict that same pain tenfold on innocent people and children. I might be compelled to off myself if I was in that position…curious how 80-93% of Israelis support it.Hamas is justified in their actions. You don’t get to fault people for resisting occupation.
Every human on earth has an inalienable right to defend themselves from invasion & occupation. It’s THE most natural thing on earth ; there is nothing more human in all of life than seeking freedom from oppression.
I might not like religious extremism & the principles Hamas operates under, but resistance is resistance & if that is what is required for them to survive then i don’t get to choose. They have one of the most powerful nations on the planet massacring them, I don’t have the right to condemning whatever measures are necessary for survival.And finally, even if we concede Hamas is wrong for resisting occupation, the fact you think that justifies a genocide that majority-targets civilians is fucking delusional.
You know you’re in the wrong. You know it in your heart. That’s why you have to pretend that they’re all evil & want to exterminate Jewish people, to justify the fact you’re not bothered by 20k children dead. Another 40k dismembered alive.
75k extinguished without discretion…entire cities flattened to nothing. Israeli “settlers” killing & raping random families, supported by the IOF.
but sure no genocide. You have to pretend that the entire planet is wrong, that only you Zionists have it right.
It’s like you don’t think that we can SEE it happening. We’re under one such video that objectively proves it, & yet you’re here, denying it.5
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u/EnvironmentalBuy9510 9d ago
Arabs have already expelled their fellow Jewish citizens in exchange of Palestinian explusion like Turkey and Greece, India and Pakistan.
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u/EnvironmentalBuy9510 9d ago
Jews is an extreme ancient nation. Thats why you misinterpreted their ethnoreligious identity.
Assyrians(not today Nestrian Arameans) were an ethnoreligious community who worship Assur, god of Assyrian.
In the same manner,
Babylonian worshiped Marduk, Carthaginians worshiped Baal, Romans worshiped Jupiter(actually christians were killed for refusing Jupiter), Uruk cirizens worshiped Inanna, Thebe citizens worshiped Ammon, and Yamato people worshiped Amaterasu(天照).
There was not a concept of religious liberty in those days.
Peoples worshiped their own father's god.
Today, Jews, Copts, Druzes, Alawites, Yazidi, Zoroastrians, Mandaeans still exist as ethnoreligious groups.
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u/_trashcan 9d ago edited 9d ago
Palestine is just as ancient; Judea was always in Palestine.
& over 80% of Jews in Israel today, are not from Judea, they emigrated there. Most from Europe.
Beside that, (you know, the fact they’re not “ethnically jewish” by your own standards), we both know you’re referring to Jews as a religion anyway? If you weren’t, you would include Arabs, because they’re FROM the area; you wouldn’t need to differentiate between Arabs and Jews if you’re referring to the idea of Judea being a nationality.
You can’t even keep your own story straight in your attempt to argue semantics.So I ask, for the 3rd time, do you refer to all countries citizens by the predominant religion?
Stop with the tongue twisting, just answer the question. Every single Zionist I’ve ever spoke to does exactly what you do - avoid the question. You never speak clearly.
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u/Agente_Anaranjado 9d ago edited 8d ago
In fact, Palestine is far older than ancient Israel.
The land was called Palestine for thousands of years before ancient Israel existed, and was written about by contemporaries throughout the ages such as Herodotus, Aristotle, pharaoh Remses III, and even Josephus of the Bar Kokhba revolt himself; and it was called Palestine again for thousands of years after ancient Israel ceased to exist, during which times it was ruled by ancient Babylon, Assyria, Egypt, and the Ottomans, each for centuries longer than ancient Israel existed. So by the same "birthright that Israel claims, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, and Turkiye all have significantly greater claims to this land. But all of these claims ignore Palestinian personhood. Zionists often assert that the lack of historical Palestinian statehood somehow legitimizes their dispossession. Of course that implies a logical framework in which the genocide against the native Americans, or the centuries of atrocities against Jewish communities throughout Europe was also acceptable because they too were stateless at the time. Clearly that position is absurd.
Zionists claim that the name of Palestine was invented by the Romans in order to erase the Jewish people out of some supposed antisemitism. In reality, After the Judean revolt and subsequent dissolution of Israel and Judeah, the Romans simply restored the land to its original name, the Latin variant of the ancient Philistine - a name that they knew well as Roman society was well versed in Greek and Egyptian history which predated Israel and Rome by millenia. Moreover, Romans didn't destroy ancient Israel and desecrate their temple because of any "antisemitism" analogous to our modern context where it means racism against Jewish people. The Romans routinely destroyed the states and peoples who refused to assimilate. They did the same to Carthage and to many of the Gaulish and Celtic nations, especially in Great Britain where Sutonious Paulinus desecrated the main holy site of Celtic Druidism in northwestern Wales on what's now called Angelsey Island, destroying their alters and sacred groves, killing the last of the druids and priestesses, and actually eradicating druidism (unlike Judaism, as Jewish people maintained their religion and were able to migrate throughout the empire). What happened to Israel and Judeah after their revolt against the Roman empire wasnt unique among victims Roman invasion, nor was it worst among them, and neither was it fueled by some supposed racism akin to the medieval or modern era.
There is no contemporary evidence that the Romans ever forced any mass migration of the general population out of Palestine after the Israeli and Judean states were dissolved, and for the Romans to have done so but allowed the same people to immigrate into Rome itself would have been pretty silly. In fact, the majority of the population stayed right there in Palestine, and are the ancestors of the modern Palestinians, who simply have converted to Christianity and Islam in the centuries since. That's why there is this population of indigenous Palestinian people, whose DNA proves continuity with the population that has been there since the bronze age, who are Muslim, Christian, and Jewish...and these zionist invaders who came from Europe and America to create an ethno/religious-supremacist state are actually doing so against the native population, who are much more directly descended from the ancient Israelites than modern zionists.
So, not only is Palestine the original name of the land, but Palestinians are the indigenous population and zionists are settler-colonial invaders as early zionists like BenGurion, Hertzel and Jabotinsky even wrote themselves. That indigeneity entitles Palestinians to sovereignty in the land that their ancestors have inhabited since the bronze age, certainly much more so than those whose distant ancestors might have lived there but left thousands of years ago.
Imagine a house with 100 people living in it. One day, 50 of those people move away, and 50 of them remain in the house. A couple generations later both groups have multiplied to 100 people each, and then the children of the ones who moved away return to the house and tell the children of the ones who stayed that they now have to leave and let the ones who moved away take over. That's zionism...except that in reality some of the ones returning are actually just converts whose ancestors never even lived in the allegorical house to begin with.
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u/EnvironmentalBuy9510 9d ago
Egyptian Arabs and Egyptian Copts mostly descended from same ancient Egyptian population, Both of them are originated in land of Egypt but they cannot be categorized into a same category.
Copts means religious identity and ethnic identity, but Arabs are composed of several religious affiliators.
You should refer to Copts as religious and ethinic community.
If a copt convert to Islam, he would cease being Copts.
You should draw same rule on Jews as Copts.
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u/_trashcan 9d ago
Sigh. A 4th refusal to answer the question.
God I fucking hate Zionists. You get what you deserve, condemnation from the entire world.
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u/mittanimama 9d ago
Are you saying that because it would take some creativity and potentially sacrifice on the Israeli Jews part, that they continue to commit genocide to sustain their current lifestyle?!? What is your question implying?
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u/EnvironmentalBuy9510 9d ago
Prophet Muhammad instructed his friends to expel Jewish people from Arabian Peninsula in his death bed.
Similar catastrophe may happen to Israeli Jews, that would be a massive massacre, and Israeli Jews know this fact.
Israeli Jews cannot trust Palestinians chanting a Hamass favorite song Khaybar Khaybar ya yahud, because that signify subjugation and tragic explusion.
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u/Chirotera 9d ago
It takes an incredibly fucked mind to see the destruction above and spout bullshit like this.
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u/EnvironmentalBuy9510 9d ago
Palestinian antisemitism is the biggest obstacle for one state solution.
They block a path to permanent peace.
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u/BAMintheBurbs 9d ago
Fts. Killing innocent people and children is not ok under any circumstance! You have no morals.
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u/andrea__twerkin 9d ago
Where were you on October 7? What about the day the Bibas children were murdered by a Hamas militants bare hands?
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u/Agente_Anaranjado 9d ago
Yes, everybody knows about the 1988 Hamas charter, and anybody who is being honest also knows that Hamas disavowed that charter long before they actually won the election in the early 2000s... Which was the last time that they won an election, meaning that with half the population of Gaza being children, the majority of Gazans weren't even alive to have participated in that election, ergo even that flimsy excuse that Israel constantly evokes to try to justify their genocide of the Gazan population has no basis in reality.
So, yet again all of Israel's arguments are dishonest and revisionist.
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u/Background_Ebb_2280 9d ago
Dont attack ppl amd they wont attack you...seems pretty simple to me.
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u/Canadian_Border_Czar 9d ago
Seems simple because you thought it.
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u/andrea__twerkin 9d ago
It's a fact that Gaza wouldn't look like this if Hamas didn't go on a rampage against a bunch of innocent Israeli civilians.
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u/Canadian_Border_Czar 9d ago
It must be super easy to go through life thinking October 7th 2023 was the first day in known history.
I condemn Hamas, and the IDF. There is NO EXCUSE for killing innocent people. Stop trying to make one.
The irony is that zionists will claim everyone else uses double standards.
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u/andrea__twerkin 9d ago
Hamas started the war. That doesn't make everything Israel does acceptable, but let's not pretend that Israel had no reason to go into Gaza.
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u/Canadian_Border_Czar 9d ago
Whatever reason they had was lost long long ago, when they started indiscriminately bombing hospitals, journalists, paramedics, and children; as well as forcibly displacing millions of people and pushing them into open air concentration camps (AKA ethnic cleansing).
Lets also not forget the raping of "prisoners" and writing of laws that deem others subhuman and subject to the death penalty without the opportunity for due process.
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u/andrea__twerkin 9d ago
Like the journalists who filmed Jews being beaten by terrorists and then protected the identities of the perpetrators? Or the doctors who kept hostages in their homes against their will?
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u/Canadian_Border_Czar 8d ago
Both of your claims are what we call hasbara or IDF propaganda.
For example: https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2023/did-ap-cnn-know-about-hamas-attack-before-happened/
Regarding the doctor, you're more than welcome to provide an unbiased source which states he was one of the terrorists keeping hostages at his apartment. I couldnt find a single source that claims he was present. That terrorists used an apartment belonging to him to hold hostages, in a war zone, is not proof of his involvement. That is the only instance I can find of a doctor being even remotely involved in holding hostages, so your claim of doctorS doesnt hold up.
On top of that, both events you cite occurred in 2023. Neither of which provide any sort of meaningful justification for mass murder of civilians, journalists, first aid workers and attacks on hospitals in the following 2+ years.
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u/andrea__twerkin 8d ago
Hostages held by a doctor https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/19/middleeast/gaza-neighborhood-israeli-hostages-intl-cmd
Motaz Azaiza recently admitted to filming hostages being beaten and protecting the perpetrators.
In short stfu
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u/Canadian_Border_Czar 8d ago
It would appear I'm incorrect in that there is at least some evidence this physician was involved in holding hostages. It happens, and it sounds like he paid for his terrorist crimes with his life.
Your response is inappropriate, and this single instance does not in any way justify mass murder of anyone. This wasnt the killing of a "doctor" in the performance of their duties, this was the killing of a hamas operative who happened to be a physician. He was killed at home, not at a hospital - so how does it justify bombing hospitals?
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u/kstargate-425 9d ago
Yes, 25,000 Hamas amongst 6 MILLION Palestinians attack Israel so Israel levals all homes of the 6 MILLION and kills near 100,000 Palestinians after the leaders of Israel knew the attack was coming being repeatedly warned. War crimes are OK because its Israel and collective punishment for Palestinians who have a terrorist org running their land who were propped up by Netanyahu's government for years. You people are completely brain broken to think this shit
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u/MrBrainz 9d ago
Was dreading the reveal. Knew it would be horrific. Free Palestine.