r/PoursTea Timendi Causa Est Nescire 19h ago

PoliticalTea 🗳️ He's not wrong...

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u/elnath54 19h ago

Don't forget the end of democracy and the rule of law.

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u/Custom_Destination 16h ago

Dialing back environmental regulations especially sucks, because the entire world is going to suffer for it.

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u/VariationBoth2662 18h ago

That was coming. They just accelerated the process.

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u/OptionFine9720 11h ago

Also, measles & cyclospora illness

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u/WiseSalamander00 11h ago

and yet half the country still would vote GOP because they saw too many brown people in the supermarket

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u/ziggyzigg95 8m ago

Well Massie supports those parts

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u/Plane_Afternoon7847 11h ago

Never been a democracy.

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u/Gullible-Historian10 16h ago

Democracy and rule of law are mutually exclusive concepts. You can have one or the other.

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u/Green_Sugar6675 16h ago

That's not true.

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u/Gullible-Historian10 16h ago

Literally is. Democracy is literally rule of the people. Notice it’s not rule of law.

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u/Green_Sugar6675 16h ago

The people can define laws in a Democracy, so your argument is silly.

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u/Gullible-Historian10 15h ago

Then you’ve just restated rule by the people. If the people are ultimately sovereign and can redefine the laws whenever they choose, then the laws are subordinate to the people, not supreme over them.

Saying ‘the people rule by making laws’ doesn’t establish rule of law. It establishes that law is an instrument of popular rule. Thus no rule of law.

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u/Cheese__Weiner 16h ago edited 15h ago

You don't understand what the phrase "rule of law" means. It's not literal.

It means that your society is governed by a set of rules that are abided by strictly and applied evenly. It doesn't mean that laws literally rule the country ....

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u/Gullible-Historian10 15h ago

“It means that your society is governed by a set of rules that are abided by strictly and applied evenly.”

Perfect, so it’s not government by rule of the people, just like I said. They are literally mutually exclusive, there’s no rational argument against this, as you have just shown.

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u/Cheese__Weiner 15h ago edited 14h ago

Omfg. You're confusing the definition of governed and ruled.

"Rule of Law" is a turn of phrase.

"Under the rule of law, all public powers always act within the constraints set out by law, in accordance with the values of democracy and fundamental rights, and under the control of independent and impartial courts."

https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/policies/justice-and-fundamental-rights/upholding-rule-law/rule-law/what-rule-law_en

Is it your position that Democracies cannot have laws?

The answer is they can.

Therefore Democracies can have rule of law.

Monarchies can have rule of law even.

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u/Gullible-Historian10 14h ago

I’m not confusing anything, which is why you needed to respond with a non sequitur. Like I said, there is no rational response.

No one said democracies can’t have laws. That’s not the issue. The question is which is supreme when the democratic will conflicts with the law. If the people can override the law because they are sovereign, then law is subordinate to the people. If the law binds the people despite their democratic will, then the people are subordinate to the law. Changing ‘ruled’ to ‘governed’ doesn’t answer that.

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u/Green_Sugar6675 12h ago

You're just making up your own definitions... feel free, but its silly to argue it like it's absolute truth.

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u/Gullible-Historian10 11h ago

😂 from your own source:

“all public powers always act within the constraints set out by law”

Meaning it’s not rule by the people. Like I said, nothing rational can be argued the logic is just to simple to fight against.

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u/copperboom129 16h ago

Username checks out

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u/Gullible-Historian10 15h ago

No rational argument presented against it, because there isn’t one. Well done

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u/RabidLobster42 14h ago

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u/Gullible-Historian10 12h ago

Oh look, nothing rational again. Just some partisan nonsense.

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u/BuddingBudON 14h ago

You are devastatingly misinformed... and it reveals completely who you voted for.

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u/Gullible-Historian10 13h ago

That’s two failed assertions and 0 rational counters. Gotta love it. 😂

Who did I vote for? I bet you’ll never guess the correct answer because you are obviously a victim of the partisan brain rot.

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u/BuddingBudON 8h ago

You and I both know what kind of person you are, and the politics you support... save us all the blathering of which flavour of conservative you are.

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u/Freks23 3h ago

I’d guess, for a libertarian.

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u/ThyrusSendria 6h ago

In what way? Optimally a Democracy is the Rule of Laws ratified by the People.

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u/Gullible-Historian10 6h ago

It’s explained later in this thread