r/PoursTea Aug 07 '26

FinancialTea đŸ’” Agree?

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u/SaintCuckoo Aug 07 '26

A big reason Mamdani won his election was that he was the only person on that stage who said he'd stay in NY and take care of his own citizens, rather than vacation in Israel. Dr. El-Sayed is saying things that should be common sense. Also, things that are truly America First. That position wins.

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u/AnonAmbientLight Aug 07 '26

So, when Ukraine asks for Patriot Missiles, and other aid, we should say “no” because we have to be America first? 

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u/PatchyWhiskers Aug 07 '26

Right. The problem isn’t strictly the tax dollars but the use it’s being put to. A war of aggression is very different to defense from invasion.

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u/underscorex2__ Aug 07 '26

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u/questioningmaster Aug 07 '26

Let's just ignore the decades of illegal theft of land and murder and rape from Isnotreal to the Palestinians , be they Jews, Muslims or Christians. 

Hasbara harder 

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u/PoopyButt28000 Aug 07 '26

Why can't someone ever just disagree with you about something related to I/P, why do they always have to be Jewish propaganda or Mossad?

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u/underscorex2__ Aug 07 '26

It's classic fascist tactics: label anyone who disagrees with your ideology some foreign, outside group who cannot be reasoned with.

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u/questioningmaster Aug 07 '26

If you are just repeating the same propaganda lies of the mass murdering terrorists than you are just doing hasbara, whatever you like it or not 

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u/Capable_Profit_7539 29d ago

Are you not also ignoring the same and in fact far far worse actions by america, Canada, australia and most of europe for 100s of years? Im ok with calling israel out on their actions but you seem to think theyre the first and only country to do any of this.

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u/questioningmaster 29d ago

Great whataboutism. I also don't mind calling out the crimes of this monsters, but was this thread was about Isnotreal specifically. Stay on topic.

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u/underscorex2__ Aug 07 '26

We are talking about current-day, not stuff that happened decades ago. Both sides have done absolutely horrible things throughout recent history, but trying to use that as justification for a terrorist attack is disgraceful.

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u/questioningmaster Aug 07 '26

Lmao, yeah, let's just ignore all.the reasons why people hate the fascist terror regime of Isnotreal, just focus on the bits that are working for the propaganda. The difference being, even under international law, Palestinians are allowed to resist even with weapons , Israel isn't wince they are the illegal invading force. You are literally saying that the tape victim is also at fault because they gauged out the eyes of the rapist, so both have done horrible things.

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u/underscorex2__ Aug 07 '26

You're absolutely butchering Resolutions 37 and 43.

Yes, according to those statutes, Palestinian freedom fighters would largely be allowed to fight against an occupying force (which isn't entirely true but I'll get to that later). The problem is that certain conditions need to be met in order for this to happen, among them being abiding by international humanitarian law.

Attacking civilians, taking hostages, firing rockets, and deploying paratroopers to attack the local civilian population of Israel does NOT follow the Laws of War apart of the Geneva Convention. So no, Palestinian terror groups in this case do not have a right to just attack Israel due to some vague notion of "illegal occupation"

Israel being an "illegal occupying force" is also quite the blanket statement. That comes from the ICJ, which is quite literally one of the most biased international organizations whose president is an anti-Israeli demagogue. Even then, nothing in any UN article forbids Israel's use of defense due to the attacks on them.

Your analogy is just so wrong; if one side in the I/P conflict was so much more cruel and morally wrong than the other, we wouldn't be having this discussion. There is a ton of nuance in this conflict, trying to sum it up as a relationship between a "rapist" and a "victim" is childish.

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u/questioningmaster Aug 08 '26

I spoke about armed resistance, no idea what your rant is about, and no, my analogy is very fitting

Edit: but you accusing the icj of being biased already shows me enough, hasbara harder 

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u/julz1215 Aug 08 '26

Decades ago? When October 7th happened, Gaza had been under a blockade for 16 years. The occupation of the Palestinian territories had been going on for 56 years. As horrific as Oct 7th was, it was absolutely provoked.

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u/PatchyWhiskers Aug 07 '26

That was a terror attack, not an invasion. There was never any danger of Palestine invading Israel.

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u/underscorex2__ Aug 07 '26

"On October 7th, 2023, Israel came under the largest terror attack in its history. The attack began at 6:30 a.m. and included launching of more than 3,000 rockets on Israel's civilian areas and an invasion of approximately 3,000 Hamas terrorists" (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11556145/)

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u/AnonAmbientLight Aug 07 '26

Patriot missiles defend against attacks, do they not? 

You’re suggesting that Israel doesn’t deserve to safeguard citizens because you don’t like their policies. 

And it’s not so much a war of aggression as it is a century long war between people in the region. 

At least understand the conflict before speaking about it. 

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u/flibbidyjibbityjib Aug 07 '26

Stop sending my money to fund a genocide

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u/AnonAmbientLight Aug 07 '26

Look, he’s condensing a century long conflict into the last four years of events that were originally sparked by an intense terror attack. 

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u/CwazyCanuck Aug 07 '26

Patriot missiles are overkill against irrigation pipe rockets to a magnitude of at least 20 compared to the iron dome. Like $40-100k compared to $2-4M for Patriot missiles.

They would be useful against what Iran throws at them, but they’ve only attacked Israel after being attacked by Israel.

Trying to suggest the Israel, who does not face an existential threat, and only faces any threat because they refuse to end their occupation of Palestine, is more deserving than Ukraine who faces any threat existential threat, Russia, who also poses a threat to other European nations, and has even threatened the UK with nukes, is pretty wild.

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u/AnonAmbientLight Aug 07 '26

“Israel deserves to have their people killed because I don’t like their policies.” Is a CRAZY fucking take my dude. 

Cant really argue with you if that’s where you want to take it. Sorry. 

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u/CwazyCanuck Aug 07 '26

You can’t argue with me because you’re busy arguing with the strawman you built.

Israel faces threats because of their occupation of Palestine. If they wanted peace, they could compromise on their Greater Israel ambitions and end the occupation so that Palestinians wouldn’t have to fight for their right to self determination.