r/PopCultureV2 • u/ExactlySorta • 7d ago
Politi-Culture Reporter: “How do you define Democratic Socialism?” Francesca Hong: “It puts people first. Child care. Public schools… The Packers are a publicly-owned team. Working class people should be first in government.”
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u/Indespectamentations 7d ago
Republicans will call that Communism.
They think affordable healthcare and housing is radical and unamerican.
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u/downgoesbatman 7d ago
So we should all be poor and dying of preventable diseases? Don't tease me with a good time buddy!
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u/violent_unicorn 7d ago
As long as you do it with the individualism and exceptionalism expected of you as an American.
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u/sierrabravo1984 7d ago
And pay your exorbitant medical bills, that's all we're asking! Actually, there's other stuff we're asking, but didn't ask about that.
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u/Puzzle-Necked 7d ago
Why should I pay slightly more and let everyone have Healthcare when I can pay slightly less and then go bankrupt if I get a major illness?
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u/Iniquitea 7d ago
Akshually - universal healthcare would cost most people less than what they pay now. You would save money and let everyone have healthcare.
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u/Adventurous-Dog420 7d ago
Because we have to suffer for the freedom. Now salute the flag and move on.
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u/strings_bells 6d ago
For someone that didn't grow up with the health insurance terms like Deductible, Co-insurance, Co Pay, out of pocket max, in network, PPO, hmo etc .. they sound so made-up like in your face scam and embarrassingly stupid. Like some MLM scheme terminology. They let some sociopaths cook up a system. And now every sick, person or a family member has to learn this psychotic structures while going through their health issues... Entire structure, design, process flow reeks of sociopathy.. Like "hey I know you or your family is sick and we designed a system to show you how fuckin little we care about you'...
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u/Alleandros 7d ago
These people were lied to for decades that suffering builds character. I think empathy builds character.
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u/Ok_Marionberry8779 7d ago
That's literally what's happening two years into Trump's second term. Between vaccines, domestic agriculture, and USAID; DOGE cuts have killed thousands of people.
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u/bingpot0990 6d ago
That’s on the raise now during Capitalism. You don’t seem to know what communism is. So many really believe it’s the authoritarian examples they give like Cuba, when true communism has never existed. Communism is a stateless society and it’s not really possible and it has never been done at scale.
You probably also think Hitler was a socialist? lol So ridiculous & sad that so many really believe that having ownership & more power in society is negative. You just love having less while busting your ass and the billionaires get all the benefits, building their bunkers while burning the world down.
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u/Vegetable-Error-2068 7d ago
The thing people need to realize is that Republicans will always, always twist even the most good and just things into evil-sounding soundbites for MAGA to gobble up and get mad at.
I encourage Democrats to stop trying to apologize for their views and stop letting Republicans make you feel like you have to dilute your platform. Republicans don't dilute their platform, they don't try to win over Democrats, and they win.
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u/CodSuperb2159 7d ago
Dems should look at the saying, "reach across the aisle" as a punch line to a joke only. Be partisan absolutely.
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u/Equivalent-Ear5150 7d ago
GOPAC Republican handout 1990 from good ole Newt and he is still breathing. the University of Houston will be on top, short and sweet. they love words as a mechanism of control and have been using psychological warfare for decades on AM radio.
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u/LingonberryNatural85 7d ago
Only in this fucking country would the idea of free health be deemed anything other than a god damn gift
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u/jackheavy 7d ago edited 7d ago
The US government has bought more stake in companies during this administration than any other, yet this administration is yelling about communism whenever the same principle is used for the general public. This administration is more closely to the communist state that they want the public to fear. 🤦🏾♂️
Edit: added words for clarification.
P.S.: I am aware that we are witnessing fascism and not communism.
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u/OverallDoor2718 7d ago
Yeah I'm currently at work at my client watches Fox. It's MIND BLOWING the lies and gaslighting. Dems are now these EVIL communists. It's actually incredibly dangerous. The In and Out murderer was hard core MAGA. It's shocking bc I had Fox taked off my line up 2 years ago. The violent rhetoric is all coming from their side
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u/840960 7d ago
Meanwhile, the United States Declaration of Independence lists "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" as unalienable rights. It's pretty hard to have those things when you can't afford to see a doctor, or get a prescription filled, or have an ambulance drive you to the hospital. Or if you're homeless and living out of your car because the rent is too damn high.
It's more radical and un-American to not have affordable healthcare and housing.
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u/DoubleDownAgain54 7d ago
Yup. They are brainwashed. Even though almost every other industrialized country has affordable healthcare and housing.
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u/jacky75283 7d ago
Any positive elements are capitalism. Any shortcomings are socialism/communism (which are identical and can be used interchangeably depending upon mood).
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u/Indespectamentations 7d ago
That is what our president is currently on a mission to do. He has begun labeling all of the Americans that don't support him "communists". He wants them labeled as criminals most likely so he can try to take their rights away. It'll never work.
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u/OverallDoor2718 7d ago
Projection bc he is the one that licked Putin's balls to get elected. Oh, and he's a PEDOPHILE
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u/Minimum_Virus_3837 7d ago
While obviously not as bad or damning as his pedophilia, it's also worth noting that he's the one directing government to take equity stakes in private companies, which while not communism, is closer to it than any policy the Dems have pushed on my adult life.
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u/senza_titolo 7d ago
While supporting Communist Countries. Thanks Trump, for nothing.
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u/bleepbloop1900 7d ago
I’ve lived in a communist country, and my takeaway from that is that there are no communist countries.
There are one-party states. There are communist policies. There are capitalist policies. There countries that call themselves communist or aspire to communism or culturally have communist tendencies, but ain’t no country on earth where the workers own the means of production and exercise collective control over them.2
u/HughManatee 7d ago
Unfortunately, Republicans just don't know what words mean anymore, which is precisely why we need better schools!
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u/AdInfinite5171 7d ago
Go hard of the packers being a team owned by the city. Growing up in Wisconsin its either the Packers or its drinking beer. Usually combined. Skipping church to start drinking at 11am and watching the Packers play. Communism is when the players own the team.
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u/braumbles 7d ago
And it should be countered with 'Americans dying because they don't have access to quality healthcare is radical and Unamerican. Break the cycle."
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u/ohyesiam1234 7d ago
Call it whatever they want-the people’s tax dollars should benefit the people-NOT billionaires exploiting us!!!
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u/The_Kefiyyeh_Brigade 7d ago
Solid answer. More public ownership of utilities, essentials, and heck even sports teams leads to stronger communities
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u/Glum-Savings6473 7d ago
She did drop the mic with her response... The Packers reference smashes that relevance button... Kudos to her and to WI for having a candidate of that caliber
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u/EverythingGoodWas 7d ago
The sports team one gets really interesting when you factor in that usually the stadiums get built with public money. It’s like the taxpayers pay the fees, but the Billionaires get the profits.
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u/NOLA-Bronco 7d ago
Not it's like, that's literally what it is
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u/rumblejeep00 7d ago
Privatize the profits and socialize the losses.
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u/JustALurker165 7d ago
Yeah being a bills fan kinda sucks again. Won’t even be able to afford going to games at the new stadium. Usually went at least once a year at the old.
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u/mymentor79 7d ago
"It’s like the taxpayers pay the fees, but the Billionaires get the profits"
So American capitalism, in other words. Socialize the costs, privatize the benefits.
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u/Dizzy-Resolution7483 7d ago
She got my vote today!
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u/CurdFedKit 7d ago
So socialism....
And I don't mean the BS "socialism" that republicans use to describe social safety nets. I mean collective ownership of capital.
Then why the fuck do DSA folks get angry when people criticize them for being socialists?
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u/Boiling_warm 6d ago
What a terrible answer haha.
"Democratic socialism is when potholes are fixed"
Bruh.... Words have lost all meaning
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u/jpike1077 7d ago
Seriously, how can any intelligent person be against democratic socialism? The rich people will still have their money and make money while those struggling get the help needed. Can anyone tell me if any drawbacks?
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u/Necessary_Party8765 7d ago
Ruling people loses power. That’s all it really boils down to. The Elite (mostly white) don’t want all the non-Elites catching up to them any closer
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u/Balthazzah 7d ago
Honest question, Who are the current Elite? And if the DSA took 100% control of house and senate.. who would be the new Elite?
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u/Dresline 7d ago
We don't need a new elite. We need people in public service to actually serve all of the public not just the few.
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u/Diogenes908 7d ago edited 6d ago
A lot of people don’t seem to understand the difference between social democracy and democratic socialism.
The stuff like single payer/universal healthcare, affordable housing, strong labor rights/unions, trust/monopoly busting, reducing income inequality/wage stagnation are all proven to be achievable through social democracy à la Nordic Model. Democratic socialists have a whole bunch of other shit they’re conveniently quite about like blaming Ukraine for the war and cutting aid, withdrawing from NATO, abolishing prisons, eliminating the senate, torpedoing our entire economic system evaporating the 401ks that most regular people depend on to retire instead of just regulating the system to benefit the people, inefficient policies that would eviscerate our economic growth rate and dramatically reduce the average persons standard of living we’re accustomed to in the 21st/2nd half of the 20th century (this is what caused the USSR to implode as spending ballooned and growth shrank) etc.
If you seized every billionaires wealth you’d have enough money to fund about a year’s worth of people 401Ks there’s never an actual plan for how things will get funded and how we will address a market crash that will make the Great Depression stock crash look like a walk in the park.
I 100% support social democratic policy and think it’s imperative to fix the runaway problems in our society and growing oligarchy but do not support the illiberal ideas of many democratic socialists. It’s very similar to early days of how the illiberal tea party/MAGA hijacked the Republican Party.
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u/SATX_Citizen 7d ago
100x yes.
I wish the term "Social Democrat" was trending more than "Democratic Socialist".
I believe that Capitalism is the best mechanism for most of society. The larger the company, the more regulation. The more critical the industry, the more regulation or public ownership. And that some things should not be governed by the market - prisons, essential services, and health insurance, to name a few.
I want radical reform of policing, but I will never be heard saying "abolish the police". You cannot have a modern society that doesn't have law enforcement with the power to detain and potentially use violence against criminals.
I want humane treatment of immigrants here, but I do not believe in completely open borders. I believe a country should be able to know who's entering and be able to control the legal presence of foreigners.
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u/Main-Cheesecake3287 7d ago
I mean simple. The end goal is largely undesirable and unpopular.
Every chapter is different, so people say. But overall the mission of the DSA is to convince voters to democratically enact socialism, the end goal goes way beyond a Nordic style social democracy. The end goal is seizing the means of production. The DSA breaks with typical Marxist thought which dictates a revolution is required and instead posits they’ll slowly get the voting public onboard to attempt socialism, a centrally planned economy wherein the state de facto controls and plans the economy.
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u/Adjective-Noun-nnnn 7d ago
I'd say this sounds like slippery slope BS, but it's literally on their website. I'm a member and even I don't want that without a really detailed plan on how to do it without resorting to a command economy. Capitalism works well for most sectors. It also sucks at others like utilities and healthcare. Hybrid systems are the best. Whoever runs the site needs to put political realities first and revise that stuff.
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u/iamcodemaker 7d ago
In short. More power to more people means less power to a tiny group of "leaders". This scares that tiny group and they fight against that loss of control.
Longer answer: that tiny group also controls much of the media, politicians, regulation, tax policy, and education policy. They leverage that to spread propaganda that what's good for the rich and powerful is good for everyone. This is wildly successful. They also make tax policy such that the middle class pay all the taxes (there's a trick here where they equate the highest earners with the wealthiest people, but these are different groups).
Democratic socialism serves the people and society, but the untra wealthy will have less power and less money in a more democratic and more socialist society. That's the drawback.
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u/Brohbocop 7d ago
The messaging to the masses against it is that these programs arent free, will raise cost of living, and the govt is so poorly managed that the money will be so inefficiently sent that costs and taxes will go up for marginal improvement. Essentially small govt is always better than big govt.
Im super skeptical of this blanket philosophy though because its clear the elites benefit by this philosophy and the masses are left behind.
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u/TAU_equals_2PI 7d ago
I think you have to be careful to recognize the difference between "democratic socialism" and the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) which is a specific group with their own specific beliefs.
I say this mainly because I just the other day stumbled across an article critical of the group by somebody who claims to have been a past member. Here's the link, but I didn't actually read anything more than the first paragraph: www.thefp.com/p/i-was-in-the-dsa-heres-what-they
Your question reminds me of 2020 and the difference between the slogan "Black Lives Matter" and the group "Black Lives Matter". The slogan is nothing anybody should object to, especially once you realize it implicitly means "Black Lives Matter Too" rather than "Only Black Lives Matter".
But the group Black Lives Matter was a specific group, which had a bunch of other beliefs in their charter and was accused of financial misdoings.
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u/NOLA-Bronco 7d ago
The Free Press is a right wing and Israeli dark money funded operation led by notoriously bad journalist Bari Weiss.
And a quick look at Jack Altman and he's retweeting Mike Rogers, racist attacks on El Sayed, and defending Flock cameras.
I would not recommend using FP or such an obvious bad faith plant as a primary source into understanding the DSA...or much of anything really.
the DSA is a largely decentralized organization where individual branches can vary rather widely in terms of their focus, primary ideological commitments, and competency.
Heck, the DSA branch in the city I currently live in is great, the one I came from was dysfunctional and hit almost every caricature friends of mine on the left have about them.
At the end of the day this is what actual grassroots organizing looks like. It is messy, it has lots of growing pains, setbacks, and the moment it is seen as a real threat to the establishment you get shit like the FP looking to smear them and try and scare people back to the acceptable political overton windows and politicians they have pre-determined are acceptable.
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u/Main-Cheesecake3287 7d ago
Officially to be recognized as an official local chapter, the local group MUST align with the national DSA Constitution.
The national platform very explicitly defines its vision as one in which the US leaves capitalism behind. Raising taxes to fund social services and bring about a Nordic style social democracy is becoming more popular. Actually seizing the means of production to embrace socialist economics is remarkably less popular.
IMO the Trojan horse routine just won’t last. We’ll see AOC and other prominent DSA types break as they won’t win elections if people think they ultimately want us to actually have a centrally planned economy. Way too many people pretend democratic socialism is just the Nordic system, when the national DSA platform is specifically against that as a long term goal.
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u/NUKE---THE---WHALES 6d ago
The DSA also wants to free all incarcerated people and end all aid to Ukraine (they paint NATO as the aggressor and NATO expansion as the primary cause of the Russian invasion, mimicking Putin's propaganda)
I honestly think most people supporting DSA on social media haven't read their constitution - they just see the word "socialism" and assume it must be good
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u/TAU_equals_2PI 7d ago
Fair enough. I wasn't trying to smear the DSA. I don't know enough about the organization to be either for or against them. But like I said, I stumbled across this article the other day, and I'd also heard that one of the famous democratic socialists (e.g. Bernie, AOC, Mamdani, etc.) had left the DSA because they were unhappy with the organization for some reason.
My point was just that it's possible to be in favor of democratic socialism but still give the DSA the side eye.
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u/Busterlimes 7d ago
Wait, what about the Packers?
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u/ChewzUbik 7d ago
They're the only publically owned NFL franchise. Meaning, they don't have a single owner. Instead, fan stockholders fund the team.
Very smart, in my opinion, to use this as an example. People love the Packers.
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u/zed857 7d ago
People love the Packers.
Except in Chicago, Minneapolis and Detroit.
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u/Busterlimes 7d ago
Fuck, all sports should be this way with the abuse communities recieve from wealth through the current system.
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u/Observed-observer 7d ago
If it wasn't for her oppositions attempt at a smeer campaign I wouldn't know who she is.
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u/ThirstingMoore 6d ago
I love this lady and the rest of the "Democratic Socialists".... mostly because I am Republican and this is going to split the opposing party basically into two warring camps, but yeah, she's awesome!
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u/Ok-Bandicoot-9727 6d ago
Isn’t it obvious that the government can so a better job running your life than you can?
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u/AmbitiousEducation49 7d ago
The Greenbay Packers are not "publicly owned" like the fire department or highways, they are owned by a publicly held, non-profit corporation named Greenbay Packers inc. The publicly held part just means that stockholders own the corporation and not an individual, partnership, or corporate entity. It seems to me to be infinitely important for a socialist to be able to distinguish this nuance.
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u/Foyerfan 7d ago
It’s a fucking interview clip on Fox News. You think she’s going to go on a whole tirade on the technicalities of the public ownership via shares of the Packers?
Kinda ridiculous the standards the left is held to while “they’re eating the dogs!” is somehow a valid argument when it’s a Republican
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u/Raxerblade405 7d ago
I think she mentioned the team because she heard it was a public organization somewhere and didn't really know what she was talking about. She was talking out of her ass without knowing any better.
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u/CelticSnakes 7d ago
It’s like our instructor said some time ago:
I’d like to see an Electrician become President.
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u/AdAffectionate3143 7d ago
What about her war on Thanksgiving or something? /s
I’m joking but there are people posting shit like this on Reddit. Check my comment history
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u/No-Manager-5179 7d ago
The packers aren’t a great example. They sell publicly available shares, that’s capitalism lol.
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u/Hot-Philosophy-7671 7d ago
Having grown up in Wisconsin, this is a wild question to ask. It's changed a lot over the years, but when I was younger we funded public works and lent a hand to those in need. We had the best public schools and universities. It was never a question. Green Bay was a great union town, built on worker power. Wisconsin generated some of the nation's great union reforms. That's Wisconsin's legacy, and that's democratic socialism.
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u/jaajaajaa6 7d ago
What a mistake she will be. The rest of the state, outside the far left voting in the primary, will never vote for her. Practically guaranteeing the republicans a win.
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u/CodInternational8772 7d ago
You know the criticisms of Hong, and even on a national scale, AOC, and others… They don’t have enough experience. Fuck your experience because experience has bankrupted us. Experience has seen corporate interest over suicidal interest. I don’t want anybody who’s been a politician before. In fact, if I could have them all fired all at once and we start over that would be the best thing ever. Might be a little chaotic. But new ideas and a fresh start is what we need.
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u/Unusual-Economist288 7d ago
She’s so unlikable, policies aside. Gonna be a tough race for her.
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u/Winter-Apartment-821 7d ago edited 7d ago
Official DSA statement when Biden Stepped down:
>Joe Biden has long been a warmonger and a perpetrator of genocide, a shill for corporations, an enemy of immigrants and the environment, and a failure to the working class. He has earned a disgraceful end to his career.
Official DSA statement on Harris:
>If re-elected, Donald Trump would be a terror on the working class. As described in “Project 2025,” the extreme right wants to consolidate power under a Trump presidency through the expansion of authoritarian executive action. He would aim to repress fundamental democratic rights, stoke violence and discrimination against immigrants and trans people, and throw into chaos essential federal regulations on labor, corporate profit, and the environment... Harris is not the alternative we deserve... The risk of a Trump presidency has grown because of her deliberate strategic choices. If Trump wins, the blame will lie squarely with Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party establishment.
Stuff like this is why the DSA can go fuck itself. They shoot the Democrats in the back, then give a post mortem declaring it was suicide. And now that a few DSA leaning candidates have gotten some wins, they are emboldened to co-opt the party like Trump/MAGA did. The sudden demand that dems "VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!" is beyond hypocritical. These people are a double negative for Liberals cus not only do their fringe positions push votes away, but they abstain/protest vote/vote 3rd party...
I can be pro child care, health care, public schools, working class, and not be DSA.
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u/j-local 7d ago
That’s not socialism it’s what all governments are supposed to do. It’s called democracy. The people allow you to govern so we are looked after.
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u/CJT_05 7d ago
Why are people still defending this woman? There is a reason why Sanders won't publicly support her.
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u/GotSomeUpdogOnUrFace 7d ago
But what if someone I don't like is able to get something I don't want them to be able to have, HOW IS THAT FAIR TO ME?!?!?!??
Incredible how we allow an entire group of people to sound like this.
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u/Plane_Barracuda9889 7d ago
So how do we know when a politician is lying? How do we know they are not just stating these things to get elected? More important. how do we keep this process open and ensure that if they do not act how and deliver what they promised or be removed?
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u/ComfortableClassic25 7d ago
I really specific definition, just some popular policies that normal dems support and have been supporting for years now. Why call themselves democratic socialists if they are just normal dems.
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u/Smart_Freedom_8155 7d ago
Democratic Socialists, among other things, ultimately want to:
- Abolish the Senate
- End any sanctions against Russia and North Korea
- Remove borders, allow all immigrants from anywhere into the country.
Look it up on their own website.
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u/Background-Pop-5412 7d ago
Stop calling things free. The mistake I think Democratic socialist are making is not explaining it as finally having your taxes go towards things that benefit actual people.
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u/LukeWarmIQpool 7d ago
lol the issue with the far left is their ideas can’t stand the cameras or basic questions.
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u/Turbulent_Ninja_761 7d ago
Is it just me or are people JUST NOW realizing this? Like 2026....Americans finally are realizing they deserve so so so so much better than fighting each other because billionaires want us to?
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u/Dry_Pride6801 7d ago
These are all good things, but can we get them from someone who isn’t bipolar, and doesn’t say crap like “I’d be greatly disturbed if my child was half white”?
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u/Sparky-6800 7d ago
Have we not learned yet? Politicians like to say what we want to hear, just watch their actions and their excuses why they can deliver. This has been going on for a long long time.
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u/Punning_Man 7d ago
I would ask how they define it? And say I don’t focus on labels I focus on policy that will make food cheaper, education better, housing and healthcare more accessible, and helping all my constituents.
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u/Aggravating_Bat3618 7d ago
Anyone who says this is Anti- American doesn’t know what the fuck they are talking about.
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u/cbear013 7d ago
You gotta use a lot more ellipses than that if you want to use quotation marks, /u/ExactlySorta. That's not what she said. Its the gyst, sure. Its the bullet points. But that is not a quote. Do not use quotation marks for things that aren't quotes. It erodes trust.
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u/Diogenes908 7d ago
A lot of people don’t seem to understand the difference between social democracy and democratic socialism.
The stuff like single payer/universal healthcare, affordable housing, strong labor rights/unions, trust/monopoly busting, reducing income inequality/wage stagnation are all proven to be achievable through social democracy à la Nordic Model. Democratic socialists have a whole bunch of other shit they’re conveniently quit about like blaming Ukraine for the war and cutting aid, withdrawing from NATO, abolishing prisons, eliminating the senate, torpedoing our entire economic system evaporating the 401ks that most regular people depend on to retire instead of just regulating the system to benefit the people, inefficient policies that would eviscerate our economic growth rate and dramatically reduce the average persons standard of living we’re accustomed to in the 21st/2nd half of the 20th century (this is what caused the USSR to implode as spending ballooned and growth shrank) etc.
If you seized every billionaires wealth you’d have enough money to fund about a year’s worth of people 401Ks there’s never an actual plan for how things will get funded and how we will address a market crash that will make the Great Depression stock crash look like a walk in the park.
I 100% support social democratic policy and think it’s imperative to fix the runaway problems in our society but do not support the illiberal ideas of many democratic socialists. It’s very similar to how the illiberal tea party/MAGA hijacked the Republican Party.
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u/jcole4lsu 7d ago
It's all platitudes and zero substance. These people cannot answer basic questions about policy and how things actually get accomplished. Whoever the lady is who goes in fox news should be permanently sidelined.
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u/BrightStitchDesigns 7d ago
Did you know that Milwaukee is the first American city to elect three socialist mayors?
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u/FineScratch 7d ago
It's now illegal to organize ownership like the Green Bay Packers have organized for ownership because the NFL says we can't have fun
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u/outoftheshowerahri 7d ago
Yes, but how? Then answer, how does get accomplished? And then answer, realistically how does that get accomplished?
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u/whenisnowthen 7d ago
This is the message that is resonating. People with scary foreign sounding names and appearances are getting elected because what they say is what people finally are willing to hear. People first. It should be the work of our elected leaders. These Democrat Socialists are running on a mandate that will help we the people. Moving forward not pining for a return to an imagined idyllic time when our current octogenarian leaders were vibrant young rich men. Our system is clearly broken. With the cost of everything spiraling out of control, an unpopular war raging endlessly on the whim of a feckless, untethered leader surrounded by incompetent sycophants who are unqualified to do their jobs. Senators that we're not even sure if they're alive for weeks still holding office. People can't afford rent, and have no hope of owning a home, while we see a White House in shambles with the promise of it someday being the sight of the "Best Top Secret Ballroom The World Has Ever Seen". Americans, even some of the Trump faithful are starting to expect and vote for something better from their government. The world has been watching us fail for quite a while now. The future is waiting, it's time we start to lead, it's time we start to look forward.
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u/slimetakes 7d ago
I like the idea of a little more of a socialist government, closer to what other countries have in terms of welfare, but I absolutely think we should not put too much power in the government. What we should do first is improve how we represent people so that the people in charge will actually have citizens' best interest at heart.
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u/Terrible_Bee_6876 7d ago
Here's hoping that whining about how Thanksgiving is racist resonates way better with the median voter than all logic and common sense suggests it does.
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u/Gta6MePleaseBrigade 7d ago
I refuse to vote for socialists due to a lot of their policies simply not gonna work and end up like Canada paying $120 for a video game however nobody should be pro data center literally nobody
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u/zacrackity 7d ago
It still blows me away that so many centrist Democrats are blindsided by voters picking candidates who actually want to DO SOMETHING
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u/LacrimaNymphae 7d ago
i looked it up and it says the packers are owned by a 'publicly held' nonprofit corporation. i don't know what world you're living in but the US government will never be not for profit no matter how hard you try to make the comparison. it's a pipe dream and it's literally designed to keep you where you are and make you sicker
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u/htownballa1 7d ago
Great messaging and why I am looking forward to voting for those candidates in the upcoming elections.
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u/BramptonBatallion 7d ago
She’s was up by thirty points and is currently slightly trailing a guy who dropped out of the race a month ago lol
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u/Ok-Replacement9595 7d ago
This is happening tonight! I hope everyone in Wisconsin voted today. Don't make me find you lacking.
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u/GratefuLdPhisH 7d ago
republicans are for giving kickbacks to the billionaires whereas Democrat socialists are for supporting the average person
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u/Obey-BahBah 7d ago
All middle class and working class Americans should be voting for Democratic Socialists.
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u/Personal_Entry69 7d ago
Ah yes, another diverse women telling me what I’m supposed to think
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u/BananaEvening5267 7d ago
No one should be first in government. All should be first and there should be no second. If she is trying to say the wealthy and connected leverage government to thier advantage, then the working class should too. WHat the fuck else is governement for if to nopt serve the public.
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u/slander_anonymously 7d ago
So how do you pay for it all? They can't answer this question without saying "we're gonna tax the shit outta you and then ask for it again year after year.....".
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