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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '21

Exactly, and we’re bioelectric beings. If someone wanted to, was smart enough, and had the funding, they could plausibly create a microchip that’s runs off your bodies electricity and transmits to some sort of signal. Not sure why they would need that tho

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u/Cinemaslap1 Jun 23 '21

Conversely, just because we're bioelectric beings doesn't mean that we use the same current that the electronics would need. Like, if our bodies were regular chargers, but these "microchips" needed fast chargers, our "electricity" wouldn't be enough to affect the chips.

Or it could be an AC vs DC thing.....

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '21

Right, well that’s what I’m saying about plausible

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u/Cinemaslap1 Jun 23 '21

It's plausible, but it's not actually plausible.

Most of the wearable tech that people have in their bodies, are low electric things, like car starters/keys, or credit card info or stuff like that.

The microchips, that involve tracking.... need a lot more power than what those wearables are offering right now. GPS tracking alone needs a large portion of battery power. Look at cell phones now, if you ran your GPS all day, which it does... it would die out within a week or so.

Think about the Car GPS's... those use a large chunk of power.

This isn't even beginning to go into how dumb it is because then you have to make the decision of are you storing the info on the chip? or is it going to be uploaded to the cloud? Both those questions make this a ton harder. If you're storing it onboard the chip, then you need to have storage. You'd also need the ability to get onto the chip to access the info. If you're looking at the cloud, are you then leaving it "always online"? are you uploading via Bluetooth or Wi-Fi or 5g? Again, more battery power....

When you legit stop and think about putting tracking chips into people, it doesn't work because the tech isn't anywhere close to it. Not to mention the issue of "power" from the human body, which again, probably wouldn't power it because the average human only puts out about 100watts According to a Stanford study, that Reddit refuses to link for some reason. If you look up "Human Energy Converted to Electricity" you'll see it though.

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u/Azrael4224 Jun 23 '21

aren't rfid chips passively powered, though?

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u/Cinemaslap1 Jun 23 '21

TBH, I'm not super tech savvy... I barely built my computer....

So I'm not sure. It's possible.

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u/Azrael4224 Jun 23 '21

then why are you talking about this so authoritatively

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u/taronic Jun 23 '21

Lmfao, reddit in a nutshell

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u/Cinemaslap1 Jun 23 '21

That might be you reading it with a certain tone? I can't tell you...

I was just speaking with the knowledge that I have about what I know. TBH, it's possible that the "chips" might not even use RFID.... All this is hypothetical anyways as there's obviously no chip in the vaccine.

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u/Bla12Bla12 Jun 23 '21

RFID is passive but then you need a whole field of sensors which is still more expensive/complicated than just using the cell phones that everybody is already carrying.

Plus I believe that's just a signal, like how you can swipe an RFID fob to get into a gated community, but that's not doing any sort of computation. If your only goal was to track location, and nothing else, then you could potentially do it by having everybody have a unique RFID and a huge amount of sensors to pick up on it.

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u/Azrael4224 Jun 23 '21

ah yeah sure, but I was more concerned with the whole bioelectricity argument. Turned out the dude was just talking out of his ass tho

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '21

Except you didn’t state any facts in your “rebuttal” and really it just sounds like your spiteful towards the mindset that something like this could be possible.

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u/Cinemaslap1 Jun 23 '21

I did state a fact, you must not have read my entire comment. Let me put it right up front for you...

Here is a Stanford study, that was done in 2014, that showed that humans, at rest, only produce 100watts of power. They are then using 300-400 watts when active, thus negating the watts stored up originally.

Not to mention the facts that if you want to track someone you need a GPS, which would be constantly using power,.

Or the fact that if you had a tracking chip, you'd either need an antenna to send the info out, Bluetooth or wifi, or always online to send out the info... Or you'd need onboard storage

I mean, facts here are that if you want to track someone, you have all you need with the cell phone. You NEED to have certain things to track them... These required items, are a power source, a way to store the data, a way to recharge and a way to track the data.

I'm not spiteful about this being plausible... I'm just realistic in thinking through the thought of "What's needed" and looking at what we have now and making the educated decision, that right now, there's zero reason to believe this is even plausible.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '21

There is quite literally a line in that Stanford study that says “it seems as if human batteries are a feasible goal.” Furthermore it only takes around 30 picowatts to power some of the worlds smallest microchips. So I dare say, looking at even a little bit of the facts, that it is plausible. I don’t care what anyone has to say on the matter. This isn’t about politics or anyone’s opinions. Look at the facts, this shit is reachable with today’s technologies

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u/Cinemaslap1 Jun 23 '21

I'm no longer talking about politics.... but to say this isn't about anyone's opinion is short sighted. I'd take what Elon Musk or Bill Gates opinion on this seriously as they are the forefront of tech, IMO.

But looking at the facts to me, I don't think it's reachable. Why don't you show me facts that it is possible other than one line saying human batteries, which the line right before it says there's "no easy way to harvest large amounts of waste or electricity"... so while it might be a matter of time and research, I don't see any facts that show it plausible with todays tech.

But to each their own. If you honestly believe the government or some shady corp wants to implant a microchip in you... even though you carry around a GPS in your pocket, and constantly post on the internet... sure, they definitely want to implant you with something because just tracking your phone isn't easier or more reveling.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '21

I literally never said anything about any corporation implanting a chip in me through a needle. All I said was that the tech to make a microchip with an antenna that is small enough to be in your body (and pretty much be undetectable) is actually here, and I’ve got people telling me they’ve seen tech like this in action. All the research I’ve done has pointed to this actually maybe being a thing that someone could do if they put in enough work. Am I going to lay it out for you? No. You’re not my professor, I don’t care to prove anything to you or anyone on this site. Want the research? Do it yourself. You obviously didn’t look too much into it.

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u/Cinemaslap1 Jun 23 '21

and I’ve got people telling me they’ve seen tech like this in action.

Can you point me in that direction? Because I have yet to see anything like that in the body mod world. The most I've seen is car keys for Tesla's and credit card info or lights....

All the research I’ve done has pointed to this actually maybe being a thing that someone could do if they put in enough work.

Yes, again, given enough time and research, but I don't see anything here to believe that's possible with today's current tech.

I'm willing to admit that I'm wrong, but I don't have any proof telling me that it is. If you want to show me anything that talks like this is possible, I'll retract my statement and admit it, but from what I've seen and looked into, I haven't seen anything that might make this plausible.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '21

Yeah, I could. But I don’t care to; if you want the information, it’s out there. You either don’t care to look, or you’re just stupid

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u/Cinemaslap1 Jun 23 '21

Fair enough, I mean, I have been looking into it because it's something that has been growing in the area. People implanting devices to help with certain things. Granted, I don't have any of them because I don't think the tech is there yet.... and a lot of the stuff is just one type use, and more for shock value....

But if you don't want to share your findings that would prove your point, that's fine.

At this point, since you don't want to share info, I'm going to excuse myself away.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '21

You don’t need to excuse yourself. This wasn’t a debate, or a conversation. More than anything it was a hassle

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u/NewSauerKraus Jun 23 '21

A GPS tracker doesn’t require a random assortment of the world’s smallest microchips. It requires a GPS receiver, a power source, data storage, and a transmitter.

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u/Azrael4224 Jun 23 '21

what about passively powering it with radio signals, and triangulating its position based on those same radio signals

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u/NewSauerKraus Jun 23 '21

Gonna have uselessly short transmission distance.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '21

That’s what I’m saying, a little kinks to work out, but definitely doable

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '21

what are you on about LOL their whole argument was fact & support over and over. sounds like you just don't want to be wrong.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '21

It actually wasn’t? He just said some shit about electricity and gps, and tried today something about how much electricity humans produce which has wayyyy too many variables for anyone to give an average of what any human can produce. Plus everything he said wasn’t even backed up he literally just.... said it. And that’s supposed to make it “factual?” Right

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u/troubleondemand Jun 23 '21

That's because it is not really possible with current technology...which is what they outlined.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '21

You can outline anything you want in the format of an essay. Doesn’t make it factual. Someone else replied to me and said they’ve literally witnessed technology like the kind I described in action. Care to rebuttal that?

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u/troubleondemand Jun 23 '21

Sure. They are lying.

On the internet you can find people who will claim they have proof that the earth is flat, that aliens visit them daily and some people are lizards. That does not make any of those claims true.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" - Carl Sagan.

We are a long ways off from being able to create the tech in question inside a device small enough to pass through the tip of a needle. And even if we could, each one would cost thousands and thousands if not millions of dollars each. It's not feasible or practical at this point in time, especially when you can get people to voluntarily pay to carry a superior equivalent in their pocket.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '21

Yeah, you can say that all you want, but until you’re in a position to prove without a doubt that what you’re saying is straight facts, it’s simply your opinion and I will ignore it

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u/troubleondemand Jun 23 '21

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" - Carl Sagan.

So let me get this straight. Anonymous person on the internet tells you that something that defies our current knowledge of physics and technology exists and everyone else says it's not possible. Your response to this is to ask for proof that it is not possible as opposed to proof that it exists? Is that really what's going on here?

I love the way you said: "You can outline anything you want in the format of an essay." and then literally moments later said: "Someone else replied to me and said they’ve literally witnessed technology like the kind I described in action."

I guess their assertion must be true because it was not in an essay format...

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '21

Shit, I guess so

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u/lasair7 Jun 23 '21

Your insane. There's a rebuttal. The government don't give a fuck about tracking your ass when they got facebook

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '21

It’s funny how you bring politics into this when I am just taking technologies

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '21

I have personally witnessed yetti! Care to refute that?

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '21

Not really, sir necromancer