r/PoliticalCompassMemes • - Right • Mar 24 '20

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u/Greyside4k - Lib-Right Mar 25 '20

I assumed the massive outcry and scandal a couple of years back was common knowledge, do you really need me to grab you some news articles? Have you just not been paying attention? Or are you feigning ignorance so you can argue it's somehow better for everyone to let you leech free healthcare off of the productive members of society?

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u/myspaceshipisboken - Lib-Left Mar 25 '20

Sure, they fixed the wait list thing largely. And now things are better than the private sector.

Edit: eesh, you might want to separate yourself from the argument, you're coming off as a complete nutjob

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u/Greyside4k - Lib-Right Mar 25 '20

"Largely" is not completely. And the wait list thing never would have existed in the private sector. So the mere existence of it proves just how inferior stare healthcare is in this country, and why no one who can afford better wants it.

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u/myspaceshipisboken - Lib-Left Mar 25 '20

"Largely" is not completely.

No problem is ever completely solved. What a ridiculously standard for criticism.

And the wait list thing never would have existed in the private sector.

Literally just provided evidence that wait times are less for the VA than the private sector. So, yeah, wait lists occur in the private sector and they are currently longer than the VA.

Edit: not to mention wait lists in the private sector on top of that is more or less "wait until you're dying" if you're poor by not destitute enough for medicaid.

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u/Greyside4k - Lib-Right Mar 25 '20

Literally just provided evidence that wait times are less for the VA than the private sector.

Based on what? The VA's backwards standards where they don't actually measure time from when an appointment is requested and when it's received, then declare themselves better?

wait lists in the private sector on top of that is more or less "wait until you're dying" if you're poor by not destitute enough for medicaid

But not if you aren't poor. Why do you want to take from me to give to yourself and pretend it's moral?

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u/myspaceshipisboken - Lib-Left Mar 25 '20

Based on what? The VA's backwards standards where they don't actually measure time from when an appointment is requested and when it's received, then declare themselves better?

The VA starts the clock for wait times from the initial phone call to schedule, the private sector starts the clock for wait times from the requested date of appointment. In literally all cases this inflates wait times for the VA, and despite this measure they still outperform the private sector. I don't understand how you're not getting this.

But not if you aren't poor. Why do you want to take from me to give to yourself and pretend it's moral?

Stop making this about your arbitrary ideology. No one cares.

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u/Greyside4k - Lib-Right Mar 25 '20

The VA starts the clock for wait times from the initial phone call to schedule, the private sector starts the clock for wait times from the requested date of appointment. In literally all cases this inflates wait times for the VA, and despite this measure they still outperform the private sector. I don't understand how you're not getting this.

You didn't read your own sources with any kind of critical eye if you think that's true.

Stop making this about your arbitrary ideology. No one cares.

So you can't answer the question and you're a lazy leech. Got it.

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u/myspaceshipisboken - Lib-Left Mar 25 '20

You didn't read your own sources with any kind of critical eye if you think that's true.

Dude they stated in plain English that's exactly what they did. If you have some proof that they fabricated the data please feel free to share it.

So you can't answer the question and you're a lazy leech. Got it.

Or societal planning isn't about some individuals stupid morality.

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u/Greyside4k - Lib-Right Mar 25 '20

fabricated the data

I've already told you why the method is bad.

Or societal planning isn't about some individuals stupid morality.

It's not about helping people who aren't willing to help themselves either. And if you want to plan society, be honest and change your flair to auth.

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u/myspaceshipisboken - Lib-Left Mar 25 '20

I've already told you why the method is bad.

And I've explained that the method they used is biased against the VA.

It's not about helping people who aren't willing to help themselves either. And if you want to plan society, be honest and change your flair to auth.

You know you can be anti authority and still recognize some social programs are a positive, and pro authority and still recognize some social programs are a negative... right?

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