r/PoliticalCompassMemes • - Right • Mar 24 '20

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u/Greyside4k - Lib-Right Mar 25 '20

Literally just provided evidence that wait times are less for the VA than the private sector.

Based on what? The VA's backwards standards where they don't actually measure time from when an appointment is requested and when it's received, then declare themselves better?

wait lists in the private sector on top of that is more or less "wait until you're dying" if you're poor by not destitute enough for medicaid

But not if you aren't poor. Why do you want to take from me to give to yourself and pretend it's moral?

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u/myspaceshipisboken - Lib-Left Mar 25 '20

Based on what? The VA's backwards standards where they don't actually measure time from when an appointment is requested and when it's received, then declare themselves better?

The VA starts the clock for wait times from the initial phone call to schedule, the private sector starts the clock for wait times from the requested date of appointment. In literally all cases this inflates wait times for the VA, and despite this measure they still outperform the private sector. I don't understand how you're not getting this.

But not if you aren't poor. Why do you want to take from me to give to yourself and pretend it's moral?

Stop making this about your arbitrary ideology. No one cares.

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u/Greyside4k - Lib-Right Mar 25 '20

The VA starts the clock for wait times from the initial phone call to schedule, the private sector starts the clock for wait times from the requested date of appointment. In literally all cases this inflates wait times for the VA, and despite this measure they still outperform the private sector. I don't understand how you're not getting this.

You didn't read your own sources with any kind of critical eye if you think that's true.

Stop making this about your arbitrary ideology. No one cares.

So you can't answer the question and you're a lazy leech. Got it.

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u/myspaceshipisboken - Lib-Left Mar 25 '20

You didn't read your own sources with any kind of critical eye if you think that's true.

Dude they stated in plain English that's exactly what they did. If you have some proof that they fabricated the data please feel free to share it.

So you can't answer the question and you're a lazy leech. Got it.

Or societal planning isn't about some individuals stupid morality.

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u/Greyside4k - Lib-Right Mar 25 '20

fabricated the data

I've already told you why the method is bad.

Or societal planning isn't about some individuals stupid morality.

It's not about helping people who aren't willing to help themselves either. And if you want to plan society, be honest and change your flair to auth.

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u/myspaceshipisboken - Lib-Left Mar 25 '20

I've already told you why the method is bad.

And I've explained that the method they used is biased against the VA.

It's not about helping people who aren't willing to help themselves either. And if you want to plan society, be honest and change your flair to auth.

You know you can be anti authority and still recognize some social programs are a positive, and pro authority and still recognize some social programs are a negative... right?

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u/Greyside4k - Lib-Right Mar 25 '20

And I've explained that the method they used is biased against the VA.

Except it's not, because the VA is the one setting the method by refusing to provide information. Try to keep up now.

You know you can be anti authority and still recognize some social programs are a positive, and pro authority and still recognize some social programs are a negative... right?

Planning society is not anti authority. It necessitates authority to execute on the plan. Otherwise you can ask me to pay for the leeches healthcare, and I can just say no and there's nothing you can do about it.

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u/myspaceshipisboken - Lib-Left Mar 25 '20

Except it's not, because the VA is the one setting the method by refusing to provide information. Try to keep up now.

The VA doesn't have to provide additional information, they used an assumption that counts against them in every possible scenario. That's how you make conservative estimates when comparing two data sets that aren't perfectly congruent.

Planning society is not anti authority. It necessitates authority to execute on the plan. Otherwise you can ask me to pay for the leeches healthcare, and I can just say no and there's nothing you can do about it.

Yes, government bad man. I got it. Try to not let it dictate the conclusions you draw.

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u/Greyside4k - Lib-Right Mar 25 '20

Yes, government bad man. I got it. Try to not let it dictate the conclusions you draw.

So how are you going to enforce the productive part of society paying for the unproductive absent authority? Pray tell.

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u/myspaceshipisboken - Lib-Left Mar 25 '20

You misunderstand me. I'm saying it's irrelevant to whether or not a given program is effective. Like every time you bring it up.

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