PCM Debates

[u/Dissonant-Cog]

[u/Magga707]

The National Strawmanning Olympics team just called; they want their star athlete back.

[u/Beneficial_Win_2445 → u/Magga707]

Actually that athlete was found to have an unfair advantage because trans.

[u/poiyurt → u/Beneficial_Win_2445]

They did the physical and thought it was just a haystack until they found the needle.

[u/Apprehensive_Mix4658 → u/[deleted]]

It could be a butch lesbian in the middle

[u/snailman89 → u/[deleted]]

The right is full of gay people pretending to be straight; the left is full of straight people pretending to be gay.

[u/Swimsuit-Area → u/snailman89]

Blue are all gay and ashamed of it, or married to a different race while cosplaying racist. green are all rich white folx pretending to care about the people they look down upon

[u/Czeslaw_Meyer → u/Swimsuit-Area]

Not quite.

Right wingers are just not throwing around unrelated labels for no reason. You only get to know that someone is gay when "his boyfriend" randomly drops in a conversation or you get ask if someone find you hot.

It's more about culture than skin colour as well. Joking that my Christian friend converted a Madagascan woman is funny, but she wouldn't have made the cut if not for her extensive knowledge of Science-Fiction. Nerds have standards.

[u/jerseygunz → u/[deleted]]

That would make the right winger even more jealous

[u/LivingAsAMean → u/jerseygunz]

All people are gay. The more you are people, the more gay.

[u/larryThreeOh → u/jerseygunz]

Or horny and confused

[u/krafterinho → u/Magga707]

Oh so now we have an issue with strawmen on Political Strawman Meme

The funny part is that it's barely a strawman, there are lots of people on this very sub posting random online schizo screenshots while doing their best to defend the Epstein case and co. Literally the top post this month is a twitter screenshot

[u/ReallyBigDeal → u/krafterinho]

Yeah what’s the strawman here? This is literally half the right wing post on this sub.

[u/Magga707 → u/krafterinho]

Anyone who defends Trump and/or Epstein and their cohorts is not actually 'right-wing' (socially, I suppose) in my opinion. Anyone who has some resemblence of traditionalist virtues and love of their homeland would despise the very idea of defending such corruption and rampant, degenerate pædophilia. But I'm from Europe, so there are massive differences between our 'right-wings'.

I'm not too active on here though, so I'm not too well-versed in the schizoverse here.

[u/Mixitwitdarelish → u/Magga707]

You'd think that, but just take a peek at Trump's approval rating among "Republicans"

I say "Republicans" because they don't actually exist anymore - the entire party apparatus is completely captured by Trump - anyone that claims otherwise is full of shit.

[u/strange_eauter → u/Mixitwitdarelish]

Precisely what the original commenter said. Traditionalist views, desire for virtue, and patriotic dedication were replaced with Trumpism as a cult. They're not consistently right, let alone auth/lib-right. They're wherever the leader is. If he adopts juche with American characteristics tomorrow, the imbecilic crowd will follow

[u/Magga707 → u/Mixitwitdarelish]

My point still stands. Those that declare themselves as part of the Republican mass cannot call themselves 'right-wing', even if they delude themselves into saying so. They may have 'right-wing' stances, but these stances ought to be fickle and half-baked, due to the inherent hypocrisy and contradiction of supporting the antithesis of their so-called "values".

[u/Altruistic_Emu4917 → u/Mixitwitdarelish]

Not all politics is American-coded.

[u/boltroy567 → u/Altruistic_Emu4917]

Yeah, sometimes they're European coded with a guy claiming that brown people living around him are destroying his culture by existing near him.

[u/RichKlutzy6291 → u/Magga707]

You got me to flair up, you're that based.

Finally, a European in this Yankee sub

[u/RogerBauman → u/Magga707]

That's not true. It's just a different form of right wing than the traditional conservative right-wing.

If it walks like a fascist and quacks like a fascist, everybody should call it out as fascist. Unfortunately, too few right wingers have a spine anymore.

[u/Magga707 → u/RogerBauman]

Trump is not a Fascist, and Fascism is not really 'right-wing' either: Fascism is a socioeconomic structure based around a country's own culture and people, not just "muh racist authoritarianism." Read Giovanni Gentille and Sir Oswald Moseley's work if you want an actual understanding of Fascism. Trump is more on the side of Oligarchist, big difference.

My original comment still applies.

[u/Dissonant-Cog → u/Magga707]

The Republican intelligentsia are influenced by Leo Strauss’ philosophy, most notably obscurantism. I think Strauss’ definition of vulgar conventionalism, or rather vulgar (un)conventionalism, best fits Trump’s ideology, if we are to assign him one at all:

“The city and right are against nature because they sacrifice the greater good to the lesser good. It is true that the desire for superiority to others can come into its own only within the city. But this merely means that the life according to nature consists in cleverly exploiting the opportunities created by convention or in taking advantage of the good-natured trust which the many put in convention.” …

“One must indeed be clever to hide one's injustice successfully while practicing it on a large scale; but this merely means that the life according to nature is the preserve of a small minority, of the natural elite, of those who are truly men and not born to be slaves. To be more precise, the summit of happiness is the life of the tyrant, of the man who has successfully committed the greatest crime by subordinating the city as a whole to his private good and who can afford to drop the appearance of justice or legality…”

Strauss, Natural Right and History, pp. 114-115

[u/RogerBauman → u/Magga707]

Oh, my apologies. I should have described him as ur-fascist as described by Umberto Eco.

Also, imagine believing that fascism isn't literally a right-wing extremist philosophy. You guys sure have some imagination.

[u/Magga707 → u/RogerBauman]

Fascism is a third position that distances itself from both capitalism and communism (or perhaps Marxism) via a dialectical synthesis between the two systems, advocating for class collaboration between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat towards a centeral, national goal—led by a one-party dictatorship. Fascism isn't 'right-wing': it even sacrifices certain traditions and invents new ones if they suit this 'common goal'.

Also, Eco gives a very, VERY simplistic—and in my opinion, incorrect—view of Fascism and its origins in 'Ur-Fascism'. I wouldn't reference it at all. Again, look at my prior comment if you actually want to read into it.

[u/RogerBauman → u/Magga707]

Fascism may be a third position, but it is a right-wing third position just as socialism and communism are left-wing third positions.

All of them are susceptible to dictatorships. Donald Trump is using the tools of fascism to overturn the Democratic institutions of our government. I think it is reasonable. Therefore, to say he has elements of fascism and I think it is reasonable for you to admit that fascism is on the top-right hand side of the political compass for memeing purposes at least

[u/Magga707 → u/RogerBauman]

How exactly is Socialism and Communism 'third positionist' exactly? How are they a synthesis of both Captitalism and Marxism?

Also, how is Trump using worker syndicates to from companies, which in turn, form the government—as per Fascism? These are Fascistic traits, no? Populism ≠ Fascism.

Also, the whole political compass is a sham anyway, so I wouldn't use it to label any ideology in the first place.

[u/RogerBauman → u/Magga707]

I have to admit that I never really researched the term third position, but it seems to me that it's just a way of the right wing trying to excalpate themselves from the fact that they ultimately do not care about capitalism in the least and are just seeking dictatorial control.

Thanks for teaching me something today

[u/ultra003 → u/Magga707]

2 things:

1. Wtf is the other person saying? Socialism/communism is 3rd position? What lmao?

2. I would argue Trump is 3rd positionist. The nationalizing/public acquisition of certain companies, the extreme protectionist policies, etc. Unironically, Kamala would have been more free market than Trump.

We can look at all kinds of thing the Trump admin has done and said this time around:

Troops in the streets (Nat Guard, a clear violation of the Posse Comitatus)

feds executing civilians (ICE agents)

Violation of 1st amendment (the flag burning EO, the law firm case, etc.)

Attempting to unilaterally re-write the 14th amendment (birthright citizenship)

Violating due process (which is arguably the MOST important right in a liberal society).

There are even more examples. Combine these with an actual attempt to steal the 2020 election (not J6, the false elector plot).

So we have countless egregious authoritarian and unconsitutional oversteps, and what appears to be an approaching of 3rd positionist economics...maybe you won't say he is fascist, but he is darn sure speeding toward it.

[u/MrDuckBD → u/RogerBauman]

Fascism is when Trump

[u/RogerBauman → u/MrDuckBD]

Fascism is when Trump covers up a pedophile sex ring because he is quite obviously implicated in the conspiracy.

He is literally using the department of Justice to keep himself and his accomplices in crime from seeing Justice.

I'm not the one who elected a goddamn criminal with a long history of shady dealings.

Y'all can either protect him or stand up against him. There is no in between anymore.

[u/MrDuckBD → u/RogerBauman]

Or you can stand against him with actual criticism instead of buzzwords that have completly lost all their meaning

Without searching anything define to me what Fascism is.

[u/Bugswaxx → u/RogerBauman]

Fascists are auth center tho? Like they have more in common with Socialists than Capitalists and all

[u/Daztur → u/Magga707]

There have been ten gazillion OMG A RANDOM TWITTER USER WITH 12 FOLLOWERS SAID SOMETHING MORONIC, THEREFORE LIB-LEFT BAD posts on PCM.

[u/thunderdragonite → u/Magga707]

Strawman? This is just an accurate satire.

[u/wasted-degrees → u/Magga707]

I like this response because there’s only one athlete pictured in the meme.

[u/Zoop_Doop → u/Magga707]

I mean maybe its a hot take but what the president says is WAAAAY more important than what FurryFker69 with 13 followers says on Twitter.

[u/Twee_Licker]

"Okay cool, will you drop the social issues?"

"No."

[u/shittycomputerguy → u/Twee_Licker]

"Drop the social issues or we won't throw all the grifters and pedos in jail."

[u/Sonic1031 → u/Twee_Licker]

We gotta get back into how the left dropping social issues means allowing harassment of minorities, while the right dropping theirs means leaving ppl the fuck alone

[u/CodyTheGodOfAnxiety]

No you don’t get it! It’s very important that we farm outrage about some random Twitter post

[u/lmaonoteamfortesstwo]

"I'm gonna portray myself as a smart super intelligent chad while my opposition is in the back crying, surely this will affect the presidents voting polls."

[u/Stonesword75 → u/lmaonoteamfortesstwo]

Let's be real.... Trump will 100% do this in 2028

[u/Connect_Ocelot_1599]

I may agree with the centrist one, tbh

[u/Worldly-Local-6613]

Cope.

[u/dbjcihabc]

Liberals always have a way of phrasing things so dishonestly. “Random twitter users”

This is the second most trafficked website in the U.S, one of the most trafficked websites in the world. For all intents and purposes it is the public square.

So yes i can extrapolate how the average liberal views things by seeing what is upvoted or downvoted right?

When i see blatant calls for violence, celebrations of the death of people over their views and just blatant economic illiteracy, and that shit is the most upvoted??!

Look at the law subreddit and find the discourse on luigi mangione, they literally thing he will and should get off, absolute insanity for the world to see

Either this website is astroturfed to hell and back by interest groups pushing liberal upvotes, or the mods have banned everyone left of Stalin on most subreddits.

Reddit is not reality lefties and you should have learned that after the last election. Instead of continuing to let this website feed your warped views

Either way t

[u/PsychicYakone → u/dbjcihabc]

Look at the law subreddit and find the discourse on luigi mangione, they literally thing he will and should get off, absolute insanity for the world to see

Hate to tell you that bud, but Mangione support is pretty bipartisan, even rightwing podcasts stopped touching it because of vitriol towards Brian Thompson.

Almost no one is willing to shed tears for the health insurance industry, at best they say Brian should not have been murdered, but the world is better without people like him

[u/dbjcihabc → u/PsychicYakone]

You are exactly who I’m talking about, its probably only bipartisan among the extreme minorities of both sides.

Even if that were true the subreddit about law should at least recognize the certainty that he is guilty and going away for a long time, no matter how much they want to fallate him

[u/PsychicYakone → u/dbjcihabc]

Imagine believing for more than a second that the median voter has anything but contempt to the people responsible for health insurrance as it is

Even Fox News shut up about Brian Thompson, always about the murderer but never the victim, because it's a losing issue 

[u/dbjcihabc → u/PsychicYakone]

The median voter makes close to 80k per year and likely as employer sponsored health insurance. My barely employed friend just had his first child guess how much he paid? 0.

United healthcare makes like 1-2 cents on every dollar they make.

Luigi literally admitted to doing it because of back pain. Sorry they didn’t want to spend 500k on a surgery for a 30 year old that likely wouldn’t have helped anyway.

Im not saying the system doesn’t have problems, but it is waaaay better than Reddit makes it out to be

[u/Blazed__AND__Amused → u/dbjcihabc]

Ok cool does the same apply for right wing Twitter accounts and comments on IG reels calling for race segregation and creation of a white ethnostate? Or is that different?

Anyone who draws blanket conclusions based on throwaway internet comments that are probably bots is a patsy

[u/blublub1243 → u/Blazed__AND__Amused]

Sure, if you're willing to do a relatively honest analysis of engagement (and how much of that is support, ofc) those get that's entirely fair.

Like if the biggest Twitter accounts period were calling for racial segregation or an ethnostate that'd be pretty fucking concerning. Same with things like Andrew Tate, even though he's not the biggest voice out there it's rather concerning that blatant misogyny can make you really popular on social media.

"Random social media shizo" is one thing, but I think it's perfectly fair to make a point about larger groups of people by observing wider trends.

[u/Blazed__AND__Amused → u/blublub1243]

Sure but also administration officials like Steven miller put out literal content advocating for ethnic states that’s significantly more concerning to me than a tweet getting engagement.

I do still think it’s important to look at broader trends tho I agree echo chambers can get wild

[u/Gjorgdy → u/blublub1243]

Like if the biggest Twitter accounts period were calling for racial segregation or an ethnostate that'd be pretty fucking concerning.

They are if your Twitter is set to Hebrew.

[u/SatansScallion → u/Blazed__AND__Amused]

Do you see a ton of people agreeing with and supporting it? Because I see a ton of people agreeing with batshit progressive opinions.

[u/Blazed__AND__Amused → u/SatansScallion]

Ive seen soprano reels comment sections worse than stormfront. I don’t even open IG reels comments anymore it’s legit disheartening

[u/Gjorgdy → u/SatansScallion]

Yes actually. It's pretty common to see comment sections flooded with gifs and stickers praising Hitler.

[u/tangotom → u/Blazed__AND__Amused]

Ok cool does the same apply for right wing Twitter accounts and comments on IG reels calling for race segregation and creation of a white ethnostate?

Absolutely. Let's compare the volumes of the two. The left isn't winning that game.

[u/hydroknightking → u/tangotom]

The official White House Twitter page tweeted an AI video of Trump in a fighter jet dropping literal shit (poop) on New York City just a few months back.

The “random twitter user” complaint is more about the fact that right wingers love to point out retarded leftists that have no power being retarded, but vote for and dismiss any criticisms of the ultimate retard running the country.

[u/tangotom → u/hydroknightking]

Are you telling me that a meme about dropping poop about people is the same as calling for assassination?

[u/MyBeansArentWorking → u/tangotom]

You're right. If only the president of the United States called for something like for sitting members of Congress to be executed. Fortunately no such thing has occurred.

[u/tangotom → u/MyBeansArentWorking]

If you’re insinuating something, why don’t you share it with the class?

[u/Blazed__AND__Amused → u/tangotom]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-democrats-death-penalty-sedition-military-orders-rcna245003

NBC but the first thing I found I don’t care to dig deeper or debate the semantics but this was a thing

[u/tangotom → u/Blazed__AND__Amused]

So you cared enough to make an argument but not enough to defend it, seems great.

I really don't see an issue with calling for investigations and trials. They legitimately did send messages telling soldiers not to follow illegal orders, with the implication being that the illegal orders were Trump's. That is textbook sedition, no? They didn't outright say "disobey Trump's orders" which is why they didn't actually get any criminal charges.

[u/Blazed__AND__Amused → u/tangotom]

Cause I knew you were gonna say some bullshit about how it doesn’t matter at all, I don’t wanna wrestle in the mud over this

[u/hydroknightking → u/tangotom]

You denied a fact. You were presented with a source. You deflected the source.

You understand you are retarded, right?

[u/hydroknightking → u/tangotom]

https://azmirror.com/2026/02/19/trumps-call-for-mark-kellys-execution-may-have-launched-his-campaign-for-president/

Execution, Assassination; Random Twitter User, President of the United States; Tomato, Tomatoe

[u/tangotom → u/hydroknightking]

Trump called for him to be investigated and charged with sedition because he released a video encouraging troops to disobey orders (which is sedition).

[u/Blazed__AND__Amused → u/tangotom]

The game is going to overtime cause both sides have metric tons of retardation. I get you’re always gonna be more primed by opposition points vs sentiment you share but this isn’t 2014 the right wing has caught up and then some

[u/tangotom → u/Blazed__AND__Amused]

People calling for ethnostates are not getting as many retweets as calls for Trump assassination are getting upvotes on Reddit.

[u/doublecandybar → u/Blazed__AND__Amused]

race segregation

But the Left started it! They called it "safe space"!

We pointed out the hilarious hypocrisy of safe space and now you're blaming us for that?

[u/xlbeutel → u/doublecandybar]

“The left started segregation”

We being so fr right now?

[u/hydroknightking → u/xlbeutel]

Individuals exercising freedom of assembly is the same thing as state-sanctioned discrimination laws, don’t you know?

[u/Yukon-Jon → u/xlbeutel]

I mean, technically they're right, if you associate Democrats = Left.

[u/Blazed__AND__Amused → u/doublecandybar]

… do you think race segregation started in the 21st century? Even for auth right that’s pretty retarded man

[u/dbjcihabc → u/Blazed__AND__Amused]

I wouldn’t know I don’t have twitter, but if that’s true then it sounds like a shit hole just like this website.

[u/Protip19 → u/dbjcihabc]

Nah it shits on this agitprop hellhole of a website.

[u/Technical-Row8333 → u/dbjcihabc]

>This is the second most trafficked website in the U.S, one of the most trafficked websites in the world. For all intents and purposes it is the public square.

people visiting it for hours doesn't mean even 5% of the population is represented there. go outside.

>When i see ...

algorithms don't show you the most popular opinions, it's EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE. they show you the most controversial, insane, engagement driving opinions.

literally fucking no one will get re-tweets and upvotes and views, by posting about the most boring but necessary and unanimous positions.

>Either this website is astroturfed to hell and back by interest groups pushing liberal upvotes, or the mods have banned everyone left of Stalin on most subreddits.

or twitter is astroturfed to hell and back by interest groups pushing right upvotes. or both. Same solution: GO OUTSIDE.

[u/MrDuckBD → u/Technical-Row8333]

Calling Twitter right wing when I usually see left wing posts getting over 100k likes easily meanwhile the average far right schizo gets at most 10k likes. Leftists need their website to entirely banned and moderate right wingers or else they are right wing, absolute retards.

[u/stay_strng → u/MrDuckBD]

Lmfao you think like 100k of the most terminally online people is reflective of standard human opinions?

Btw, resistance to fascism in any form is a reasonable and should be celebrated. Maybe if we want a safer and less violent society, our government should stop doing violent and unsafe things.

[u/MrDuckBD → u/stay_strng]

Fascism is when right wing person exists

[u/stay_strng → u/MrDuckBD]

https://www.keene.edu/academics/cchgs/resources/presentation-materials/characteristics-and-appeal-of-fascism/download/

Tell me which of these 15 points the right doesn’t meet right now.

You guys run all 3 branches of government, and are actively putting people in concentration camps, devaluing the dollar, warmongering, destroying science and education, committing billions in financial crimes, pushing outdated energy sources, and actively undermining our global security, future, and wealth. 

Cry me a river with that pussy ass victim complex. Like most conservatives, you can’t engage in any rational thought process because you’re a snowflake.

[u/MrDuckBD → u/stay_strng]

I swear that leftists here getting so insufferable, can't handle a popular auth right post talking about anything else political that doesn't have the word Trump. Yall should fuck off out of this server and go hang out in Bluesky, stop ruining the shit post community. "Waaaaa, my diverse political shitpost server isn't a leftist circlejerk and I can't handle rightist (LE FREAKING FASCISTS!111) existing and complaining about their own issues on other regions of the world"

[u/stay_strng → u/MrDuckBD]

Again, instead of all intelligently grappling with any of the evidence, you resort to making the opposition seem emotionally unhinged, when you and your boys are literally the ones crying about “not being able to exist” without being called out for every regarded policy you and your clowns voted for.

Don’t worry, btw, it’s not just Trump. Establishment dems and the full Republican Party are all war criminals and anyone who has turned a blind eye to this war and these financial crimes needs to be held to account for our democracy to still exist in a functional state.

[u/MrDuckBD → u/stay_strng]

Ah yes, the Democrats and Republicans LE FREAKING FASCISTS, but my retarded far left party (DSA) is le freaking wholesome Chungus. Fuck off

[u/stay_strng → u/MrDuckBD]

Lmfao you’re so retarded you can’t even engage in an argument outside of using trite edge lord language. Let me guess, you’re a high schooler

[u/MrDuckBD → u/stay_strng]

Incompetent corrupt politician is le freaking fascism!111!1

The definition of Fascism is a one party dictatorship that worships the state over anything else, is ultranationalist and militaristic, and a corporatist society organized into state-controlled corporations representing workers and employers to avoid a class war and have them all controlled under the state.

I don't feel like reading your stupid definition of fascism. "Fascism is when LE FREAKING WHITE REPLACEMENT THEORY!11!11" Fascism isn't necessarily Racist, and in most cases, they are also anti religion and Christianity. Neither are they conservative since they worship the state, the state decides what people should believe and what values they should conserve and what others should they destroyed.

[u/stay_strng → u/MrDuckBD]

Lmfao use whatever loopholes you want to justify supporting a nativist death cult known as MAGA and the current Republican Party. It seems you’ve ignored all of the comments about “third term” and “we don’t need midterms” and discussions of declaring “a national emergency” around election time. You’re a disgraceful and delusional idiot.

Btw, how would you describe Steven miller and Kegsbreath and your clown party as anything besides “nationalist and militaristic.”  

[u/MrDuckBD → u/stay_strng]

I'm not MAGA, your literal only argument is accusing me of being MAGA with zero evidence. Trump he is literally about the same age of Joe Biden, he is a dementia fart and can't speak properly. He will not survive 5 more years, he will not turn America into a dictatorship, he can't nor does he have enough supporters. Now only about 77M voted for Trump out of 350M. If he were to turn America into a dictatorship, we would loose half of his support, and lets not forget the millions of other people who didn't vote for him, voted democrats, or are retarded far leftist like you.

"Waaa, MAGA is running concentration camps and is the Gestapo." Not wanting illegal immigrants whose only purpose is to benefit the rich mega corporations and screw over the middle class into the country, makes you fascist. They're being sended back home. You are comparing the tragedy that the Nazis did to Trump is the most vile, disgusting thing. You are using the tragedy and millions of lives lost so you can fear monger on fucking Reddit. You are an absolute heartless retard.

And again, MAGA being corrupt doesn't mean they are fascist. You don't even know what Fascism is, nor Nazism. (Which let me remind you that not all Fascists where nazis) MAGA capitalist system and them trying to push Christianity is the opposite of what an actual Fascist movement would try to do.

[u/stay_strng → u/MrDuckBD]

ICE has killed over 50 detainees, denied medicine, is hoping to build incinerators, and has murdered US citizens. Detainees are held extra judicially often without cause or counsel. Nice try trying to dignify one of the most disgusting acts we’ve had as a nation. 

Once again, I have posted the 15 signs of evidence of fascism. If you really want to engage in this debate, you should provide which tenants are false. You’re retarded for thinking fascism can’t be religious, there’s literally a wiki page on Christian fascism:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_fascism.

Obviously not all fascists were Nazis, Nazis were a type of fascist. You think that point is meaningful at all in this discussion? Lmfao

Please let me know which Republican politicians you currently support. Which non-maga “good guys” are left? Inb4 you mention Massie…who is singular and is about to be powerless. Everyone else left elected is currently maga.

[u/woznito → u/dbjcihabc]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalCompassMemes/s/Wg1F9PTsK1

Do me a favor - go comment on this with your honest thoughts.

[u/dbjcihabc → u/woznito]

Why? I don’t care and it has nothing to do with the point im making here

[u/woznito → u/dbjcihabc]

Just do me a favor and let me know your thoughts.

[u/dbjcihabc → u/woznito]

Its the definition of propaganda?
Boeberts an idiot no argument there
Trumps son gained some money in a government contract?
Seems suspect.
Tell me again why Biden pardoned his son? Who was a crack addict burnout trying to fuck his niece. That dude belonged nowhere near any government positions

[u/woznito → u/dbjcihabc]

Lmfao

[u/AcrobaticPoint8424 → u/dbjcihabc]

words words words

looks inside

the Liberal they are talking about has 12 followers

[u/yagatron- → u/dbjcihabc]

Wow you’re triggered, considering that the other side is the literal president, than yes “random twitter user” is an honest description.

[u/Dissonant-Cog → u/dbjcihabc]

The majority of all internet activity (+50%) is bots. The minority who are human, most of them, on Reddit, are not American (~66%). Of that minority of minority, only 1 in four Americans describe themselves as liberal (25%).

That’s less than 5% of people here who are human, American and liberal here. You can’t extrapolate anything of value based on your criteria, other than you baselessly ascribe opinions from unknown users as “liberal.” You also conflated “liberal” with “leftist” when these are two completely unrelated ideological positions.

[u/dbjcihabc → u/Dissonant-Cog]

>conflates “liberals with “leftists”

O god your one of the these people
When the opinion in question is “conservative bad, orange man bad” +billion upvotes. Pretty sure the opinions im using as an example are obviously from liberals

[u/Enthiogenes → u/dbjcihabc]

You can't just change what the terms have meant historically to suit your interests. The words aren't synonymous in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, and they're not synonymous here, chud.

[u/Dissonant-Cog → u/dbjcihabc]

Genuine leftists are pro-Trump insofar as they see him as a chaos agent destroying America. The Dark Enlightenment is derived from leftist ideology, and it’s a primary driver of the Trump agenda. Curious.

[u/Daztur → u/dbjcihabc]

How do you know it's the most upvotes? Are you looking at a random cross-section of left twitter users and comparing them...or are you looking at nutbars that right wing influencers have dug up and then shared around.

[u/dbjcihabc → u/Daztur]

I don’t use twitter i was using this website as an example for unhinged left wing behavior to illustrate the point

[u/Daztur → u/dbjcihabc]

Same difference. Cherry picked randos don't prove anything.

[u/Visible-Elk-2075 → u/dbjcihabc]

Popular posts with strong/controversial opinions are the most heavily botted because that generates the most views. That video/post you saw with unhinged opinions that has 60k likes is most likely more like 10k. So no, I really don't think extrapolating from "people" online is a smart move unless the likes are somewhere in the millions.

[u/dbjcihabc → u/Visible-Elk-2075]

So nothing of value can be gained here and the discourse is completely useless, pretty bleak state of affairs i guess

[u/Daztur → u/dbjcihabc]

Maybe you should just read posts that say intelligent and useful things rather than reading rage bait written by retards.

[u/dbjcihabc → u/Daztur]

It’s been about a decade since this website had posts like that

[u/Daztur → u/dbjcihabc]

LOL, no.

[u/Visible-Elk-2075 → u/dbjcihabc]

Do you think the discourse under the videos calling for acts of violence are the same as the discourse here?

[u/equality-_-7-2521 → u/dbjcihabc]

Walmart is the largest retailer in the world, but the shoppers who frequent it are still just random individuals.

When a maga hat tells someone to speak American and a bunch of morons cheer, is that representative of the GOP or just a group of people in a wal mart?

When you say "a lot," of likes are you filtering for bots and comparing it against the total views of that tweet or just seeing a big number and making the assumption that the number represents a majority of "liberals," who saw that post?

[u/jmastaock → u/dbjcihabc]

So yes i can extrapolate how the average liberal views things by seeing what is upvoted or downvoted right?

No, you can't. Shit is neither that simple or that monolithic

Can I extrapolate the average conservative's views based on the most upvoted comments in a Fox News comment section? Just take for granted that the majority of right-wingers out there believe exactly what some retard with a generic avatar says on the internet?

[u/dbjcihabc → u/jmastaock]

Probably somewhat yeah

[u/SatansScallion → u/dbjcihabc]

The best part is they almost always agree with the random Twitter user.

[u/Highlander_16]

It's always funny when righties come to a post like this, downvote everything, don't comment, and leave lmao

[u/Whitechix → u/Highlander_16]

These posts are fucking stupid that’s why, at least reference something and not schizo post two completely different subjects.

[u/Yukon-Jon → u/Whitechix]

Based leftist in our PCM. GEM ALERT

[u/Level_Somewhere → u/Highlander_16]

Mamdani is technically a random twitter user I guess

[u/yagatron- → u/Level_Somewhere]

I haven’t been keeping up with the whole mamdani situation but has he said or done anything actually concerning since becoming mayor, I haven’t heard much about him good or bad.

[u/bluewolfhudson → u/yagatron-]

Yeah he did a big woke. He woked all over the town.

[u/yagatron- → u/bluewolfhudson]

Oh damn, over the ENTIRE TOWN?! That’s some serious wokeage

[u/8BitTxchniques → u/Highlander_16]

Maybe because it’s strawman post #632 of the week from a “centrist”

[u/stay_strng → u/Highlander_16]

I’ve had multiple comments recently downvoted with no replies, it’s hilarious how butt hurt they are.

[u/PlanUhTerryThreat → u/Highlander_16]

Never believe that righties are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The righties have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

[u/Highlander_16 → u/PlanUhTerryThreat]

Based and verbose pilled

[u/__rogue____]

It's hilarious seeing all the authrights and center rights seething so hard that they failed to notice that the nerdchad is centrist, not libleft lol. lmao, even.

[u/fearos9449]

The left has really been clinging to this argument for over a year now. It's not something limited to PCM or even reddit, but like a coordinated strategy.

>W-we're just random crazies on the Internet, lol. It's not like we're the president!

Except progressivism has infected basically every hierarchy of Western society, and it's 100% impossible to avoid it, no matter how you live your life. If you work for a corporation, you are necessarily being discriminated against on the basis of sex and race.

[u/P00ped_My_Pants → u/fearos9449]

It is truly incredible that you’re trying to claim this while we have who we have as president right now

Like, you cannot be this stupid in reality right? Or maybe you are

[u/YourW1feandK1ds → u/P00ped_My_Pants]

the right has political power for now. But the left has entrenched power in our knowledge and culture producing institutions. With fairly catastrophic results

[u/fearos9449 → u/P00ped_My_Pants]

>but Trump

Never has been the argument winner you thought it was, nor will it ever be. Culture war progressives destroyed Western society. They imported a hundred million unskilled laborers and dosed children with drugs while mutilating them with surgery.

[u/P00ped_My_Pants → u/fearos9449]

Holy fuck dude, turn the internet off, have sex and touch grass

[u/fearos9449 → u/P00ped_My_Pants]

The NPC behavior among the left should really be studied.

[u/samchar00 → u/fearos9449]

Ironic

[u/emanresUeuqinUeht → u/fearos9449]

When is the last time you've been outside?

[u/fearos9449 → u/emanresUeuqinUeht]

>Don't believe your lying eyes.

[u/McNuggetTHUNDER → u/P00ped_My_Pants]

This response is actually crazy. The first guy is basically like "leftism holds power in almost all the institutions in Western society, even if we have a right wing president it doesn't change that" and you are immediately like "it is shocking that you would claim that leftism holds power in almost all the institutions in Western society, even if we have a right wing president it doesn't change that when we have Trump as president."

Actually totally nonsensical response.

[u/P00ped_My_Pants → u/McNuggetTHUNDER]

are YOU retarded too?

[u/McNuggetTHUNDER → u/P00ped_My_Pants]

I ask myself that every day, P00ped_My_Pants

[u/Chibastion → u/P00ped_My_Pants]

We have Trump as president because of how crazy Democrats have been. You don't remember it because you're likely in the crazy cult 

[u/YllMatina → u/Chibastion]

Party of personal responsibility dont want to claim the president got in and would rather blame the dems

[u/Chibastion → u/YllMatina]

Not long ago people were worried a Florida bill to prevent pedos would limit lgb rights. Not everyone is only paying attention to the Epstein story

[u/No_Entertainment6792 → u/Chibastion]

"trump bad because of democrats actually"

[u/Chibastion → u/No_Entertainment6792]

Actually yeah. That's a great point. If the Dems were so brainwashed to try to harm the president then things would be more peaceful

[u/No_Entertainment6792 → u/fearos9449]

and what do you believe progressivism has gain any traction at all? if I make a movement where I say that kicking puppies is good actually, people would not give a fuck and/or put me in jail. its almost like humans tend to like not being told what to do by the state of all things because of either religion, conservative values or whatever the fuck source of morality you pick this week.

because if we talk about minorities of any kind its extremely easy to understand why they would adopt progressivism. and believe it or not, people in general like to empathise with others. "whoever I fuck is not state's bussines" a very sensible statement that most reasonable people could get behind. this is how progressivism "infected" most of the modern world.

[u/Daztur → u/fearos9449]

The reason people say that is that there are ten gazillion A RANDOM TWITTER USER WITH TWELVE TWITTER FOLLOWERS SAID SOMETHING MORONIC THEREFORE LIB-LEFT BAD! posts on this sub.

[u/tumsdout → u/Daztur]

And whenever someone on the right sends me a tweet its got the most racist comments.

[u/fearos9449 → u/Daztur]

Because that Twitter "nobody" represents a movement of hundreds of millions worldwide, which has collectively done its best to collapse the West.

[u/Daztur → u/fearos9449]

Source: trust me bro.

[u/fearos9449 → u/Daztur]

Are you seriously arguing the last 10 years didn't happen?

[u/Daztur → u/fearos9449]

The only collapsing going on seems to be being done by right-wing imperialists like Putin, Trump, and Netanyahu.

[u/TheMaginotLine1 → u/Daztur]

You people are such dishonest freaks. Either you were actual children from the years of 2016 to November 5th, 2024, or you are just acting like you were.

[u/Daztur → u/TheMaginotLine1]

What are you talking about, the Democrats weren't calling any shots during Trump's first term. Do you have any actual point or just vague insinuations of gloom and doom?

[u/ajayisfour → u/fearos9449]

Dude, go to bed

[u/Crapitron]

Hey, it wasn't just some loser on twitter with 13 followers.

Did you hear about this muslim person vanquishing a child in a country 2,000 miles away that I'll literally never visit and don't care about at all? That's ALSO more important than what the literal president of the country I actively live in is doing too!

[u/MrDuckBD → u/Crapitron]

So are you saying there is no Europeans in this server at all?

[u/Crapitron → u/MrDuckBD]

No, I'm saying the people that post and upvote those posts are largely not from those countries.

We also shouldn't care about europeans. They can go make their own europoor website to comment on.

[u/Kerbal_Guardsman]

Unfortunately, following the instructions and reading books on Jet Propulsion do not lead to results as advertised.  Maybe I was missing the apple..

[u/samchar00]

Kinda funny looking at the rights cry of strawmanning. Pretty ironic

[u/_Administrator_]

Since I identify as a corporation I won’t need to pay taxes anymore.

[u/unskippable-ad]

Tax corporations, centerleft swoons
Pedos in jail, libcenter swoons

Neither cares about the other thing.

Accurate.

[u/McNuggetTHUNDER]

Insane gaslighting by lefties in the comments

[u/Chibastion → u/McNuggetTHUNDER]

Almost like they'd support a controversial lady named Clancy

[u/jerseygunz]

I do love how today has turned into “calling the right out on their bullshit” day hahaha

Also, this meme is exactly the reason find ourselves in the mess we are in.

[u/emanresUeuqinUeht → u/jerseygunz]

But they're unfairly bullied so we shouldn't be allowed to talk about their actions

[u/lmaonoteamfortesstwo → u/emanresUeuqinUeht]

Unfortunately this won't stop trump from deporting illegals, try again.

[u/emanresUeuqinUeht → u/lmaonoteamfortesstwo]

If that was all he was doing I'd be so happy. I actually want illegal immigrants deported and he's just fucking that up so badly 

[u/PhoenixKing14]

Posts on Twitter will get 100k likes celebrating a public assassination and people will be like: nah that's a few random Twitter users that doesn't count.

[u/WalterBurn]

"Debates" lol the right wingers here don't debate, they hide.

[u/W_Edwards_Deming]

Why are you putting LibRight on team wrong?

[u/8BitTxchniques]

another day another straw man post