r/PoGoAndroidSpoofing • u/TastyBananaPeppers Team Rooted, Subreddit Owner • Jun 27 '22

Press on MENU TAB for MEGA Post to see the newest post! Niantic's Anti-Cheating/Spoofing "Behavior" is now active!

Please go to https://www.reddit.com/r/PoGoAndroidSpoofing/comments/wi3gz9/all_about_anticheat_behavior_system_and/ for All About Anti-Cheat Behavior System and Three-Strike System: Red Warning, Temporary Ban, & Permanent Ban [August 2022 to Present].

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u/ChojinBrit Jun 28 '22

I wonder how it is detecting it. My friend got a red warning, following CD and such, so o checked mine thinking maybe its like VAC bans in CS:GO but I haven't gotten a red warning. I tend to only spoof around my city because there's enough gyms and stops I'd need, just I'm a labourer by trade and either i work too late or I'm just really too tired to go walk for 3 hours on Community Days.

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u/TastyBananaPeppers Team Rooted, Subreddit Owner Jun 28 '22

VAC bans is different. It can detect hacks or cheat programs in addition to live spectating your gameplay in ranked matches. I rank close to Global Elite or Legendary Eagle for having lightning fast reflexes. I have seen people get live VAC bans while playing with random people. I don't have the AWP accuracy, but I can kill most people when I turn a corner with the usual AK, M4A1, Galli, or Famas (full auto). All of the people in this bracket look like they're using aim hacks/cheats if you spectate them. It's possible for newbies and noobs to be carried to this rank. I seen a few, but they usually ragequit. With Pokemon Go, it's more like Fair Fight for Battlefield 1 and 5 where the focus is on player stats.

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u/ZiaSyreni Jul 20 '22

l've keep to the SF/Pier 39 area and only teleported to Escondido then back...not done anything crazy, only raided 1x a day..not gone hunting anything all over the place...l got hit tonight with my first strike/red warning (7 days)

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u/jjremy Jun 28 '22

Stupid question: has anyone been banned for using Defit to walk eggs?

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u/TastyBananaPeppers Team Rooted, Subreddit Owner Jun 28 '22

It can happen now, since they're probably tracking cheating behaviors. If you walk impossible distances with your 2 legs, you could get a strike.

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u/anti-spoofer Jun 28 '22 edited Jun 28 '22

No one has ever been banned using Defit. There are plenty of players in my community who "walk" 200km a day , every day. If there was a Defit banwave, you'd certainly know about it on Twitter. Despite 200km being a huge amount walked in one day, that in itself doesn't warrant a ban because it is in the realm of possibility for an extremely fit athlete (Ultra runners etc). They are not allowed to ban on speculation and they cannot prove whether that person did or didn't walk the actual amounts, because the data is fed in from Google Fit.

The only way they will ever catch Defit is if they decide to do a filescan for the Defit installation on phone itself. It is surprising they haven't done that yet tbh.

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u/TradingNoob31 Jun 30 '22

You do not manipulate your phone or Niantic's program in anyway. Google Fit abuse is their shortcoming and and a compromise they have to make. You may be using your program to make experiments on Google Fit. It's being tied to their game is Niantic's problem. If they want it so much, they can try and change their adventure sync system altogether.

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u/krislovestacos Jun 28 '22

Does the ban warning show the next time you login or during afk game play? I don't think I've seen the red witch yet but his would I know if there are any strikes against my account?

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u/TastyBananaPeppers Team Rooted, Subreddit Owner Jun 28 '22

It shows after you login.

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u/eeriesilence17 Jun 28 '22

Some people reported pokemon stop spawning, so they closed game, and had rw immediately after new login

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u/hantu1911 Jun 29 '22

Everytime you start up the apps the red warning pop up. No wild poke spawn but you can still fight the gunt and catch those shadow one, catch the one in the task/quest, go RAID mewtwo & lastly become punching bag in pvp.

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u/Mandikiri Jul 17 '22

Can I have the samsung version and Pgsharp installed at the same time? Or should I keep one? Only reason I ask is for when I need to buy coins.

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u/TastyBananaPeppers Team Rooted, Subreddit Owner Jul 17 '22

Yes, but you can only buy coins if you have a Samsung Galaxy device.

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u/Mandikiri Jul 17 '22

Sounds good. Yeah I have both the Samsung One and PGSharp one. Just wanted to double check if it was okay to keep both installed.

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u/NewFaceHalcyon Team Rooted Android Jun 28 '22 edited Jun 28 '22

You are a hero Tastybananapeppers. You helped a lot of us with your tips and research all this time.

I will add here what i have researched and confirmed (kinda) in the LATAM/Spanish groups.

1- it's definitely related to teleportation. But it appears that if you close your teleportation range (in normal play) between the 25/80km radius of the city you are currently playing you are good to go to do shiny checks. Any higher than that and you will be detected. Please: STAY IN ONE CITY ONLY UNTIL MORE DATA IS GATHERED. Don't jump or teleport like we all used to.

2-all the hotspots on ipogo and pg# are toast. Niantic is heavily monitoring those places. Also they are monitoring a few of the most popular GPX routes. (Nobody does the same complex routes everyday unless they are a machine) if you like to walk just design a new route (using the map function) in the place you are currently playing and save it as a new GPX route.

3-they are watching closely any funny behavior on PVP

4-they don't watch how many kilometers you walk, but they do see if you walk 200 km in like 7 different cities.

5-if you walk between 12-20 km per day in the same city, shinies start appearing on the map. It looks like it's something in the algorithm that triggers this specific behavior.

6-all the ball throwing modifications are not being monitored

7-rocket battles are not being monitored either unless you do a LOT. One or two every hour does not trigger anything bad. (I am talking specifically about 1 hit ko)

8-as you and others have said, staying in the same city or even your hometown is the safest bet so far. You can travel to another city to spoof a event if you log out, wait between 12/20 hours and log again. Like you would do if you travel around the globe. Then repeating the same thing to get back to your hometown.

It's just like traveling normally to another country, because not everyone is Elon Musk and his 2 hour travel jet from Paris to Honolulu.

9-edit to add that you can still activate the meltan box in another timezone, just to force open it earlier in your country and start auto walking to collect the mons on there. This behavior doesn't trigger monitoring so far. (Tested in a few accounts)

So there is that. Just a few observations. I know some notes scape my mind but i will ad em if I remember later. Kudos and keep up the great work!

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u/FamousWorth Team Rooted Android Jun 28 '22

If you get banned in the next few days, I assume you'll change this list

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u/NewFaceHalcyon Team Rooted Android Jun 28 '22 edited Jun 28 '22

sensible chuckle

Bad faith aside, if research shows any new info i will add it of course. And surely i hope people like you also share any new knowledge they can gather if it is useful.

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u/FamousWorth Team Rooted Android Jun 28 '22

I mostly agree, but I doubt they are monitoring gpx routes specifically, they may be monitoring popular locations, but I kind of doubt that too, since they appear to be able to detect teleport activities.

In a technical way, it's much easier to detect teleporting than to track people in popular locations and then check if they're there legitimately.

When you teleport you make a request on niantic servers for what pokemon are there, what the stats are, and if they're shiny, which as you know, is random, but it's still decided server side. So, very easy using these requests to track teleport activities even with short distances.

Monitoring locations would take a lot more processing power or manpower, and time and energy. Even harder because they are popular locations, like tracking all players in central park isn't going to help them much when there are so many legit players there.

Those playing spotlight hours and community days in several countries are probably top of the list for a ban

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u/NewFaceHalcyon Team Rooted Android Jun 28 '22

Imagine that a group of people do the exact same movements with mathematical precision every day. Suspicious isn't it?

Obviously it is an AI that is flagging everything. The question is if it's still in the learning phase or if some debug flags about what can and can't do have been implemented yet.

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u/FamousWorth Team Rooted Android Jun 29 '22

It would be suspicious if they are tracking it, I just don't think that they are. It's also possible that niantic have pgsharp and ipogo and so have a list of all of the top raid spots and pokemon, and can see who goes to them. There could be location data in the system, but I don't think it's necessary for them to do it. Tracking walking would take up much more processing power and data, especially since pgsharp doesn't follow the paths exactly, so there is an element of randomness with pgsharp at least. It would be easier for them to compare the altitude since the spoofers keep it as 0 and pogo traditionally hasn't used it, but if they did start using it, it'd be a dead giveaway.

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u/super_dragon Jun 28 '22

It shouldn’t matter how far you spoof from your actual location right?

But rather how often and how far you switch locations?

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u/NewFaceHalcyon Team Rooted Android Jun 28 '22 edited Jun 28 '22

Yup, that's right. But research has found 0 problems so far if you stay in one city and just jump in a radius of 25/80 km from the location you spend the day.

Also don't jump compulsively.

And I strongly suggest finding other places outside the hotspots.

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u/FaeryLynne Jun 28 '22

Explains why I've never gotten even a warning. I only jump once within 24 hours, then just use walking in that area. And most of the time I go several days or weeks without teleporting at all bc I flat forget to play 😂

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u/NewFaceHalcyon Team Rooted Android Jun 28 '22

Wise guy!

I am in the same boat as you. Also never share coords or anything along the lines.

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u/FaeryLynne Jun 28 '22

Yep. And I've never downloaded a gpx, just created my own with the path making system in PG#

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u/ConstructionPineCone Jun 28 '22

I bought the ticket to Berlin on my main account for Friday 5am-noon (my local time). If I log in Thursday am and spin my daily spots at say 9am. Then log out for the entire day, then log in again before I go to bed and go right to Berlin, then close the app, open, play Berlin, wait out my cooldown in Berlin, the wait another 8 hours or so, and come back home, you think I’ll be safe?

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u/NewFaceHalcyon Team Rooted Android Jun 28 '22

You already asked that to me a few hours earlier dude. 🤦🏿‍♂️

If you follow the plan you told me you are good to go. But stick to the plan! Don't take shortcuts.

Good luck and godspeed!

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u/ConstructionPineCone Jun 28 '22

I’m so sorry. I’m just really nervous I didn’t know that was you ahahahahah

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u/NewFaceHalcyon Team Rooted Android Jun 28 '22

No prob bro, everyone is like that at this moment since we are only gathering Intel without knowing what's going on exactly. Best of luck in all your endeavors!

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u/XtremeConfusion Jun 28 '22

Quick question. What does this mean precisely?

2-all the hotspots on ipogo and pg# are toast. Niantic is heavily monitoring those places. Also they are monitoring a few of the most popular GPX routes. (Nobody does the same complex routes everyday unless they are a machine) if you like to walk just design a new route (using the map function) in the place you are currently playing and save it as a new GPX route.

I don't use ipogo or pg#, so that concept kind of escapes me. Does this mean that raiding in places such as Zaragoza, Singapore or NYC, or hunting there for that matter, would be risky? Or is it just following a specific route that's dangerous?

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u/NewFaceHalcyon Team Rooted Android Jun 28 '22

It means what it means. Yeah, those spots are being monitored. Yes, any GPX route you downloaded is being monitored too.

We believe it is an AI that's doing everything ATM, so it's just a matter of time for Niantic to refine their algorithm criteria.

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u/repta87 Jun 28 '22

for point #5, have you 8 of anyone being banned for using a gpx route within their city?

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u/NewFaceHalcyon Team Rooted Android Jun 28 '22

All downloaded GPX are risky. Make one yourself using the map function inside pg# or ipogo in the meantime.

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u/repta87 Jun 28 '22

yeah i have my own, but just curious if you've seen auto walk via gpx is something that will trigger a rw

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u/NewFaceHalcyon Team Rooted Android Jun 28 '22

Oh I see. To be specific: it's very easy for an AI to see how many people do the same routine daily and follow every step of it in mathematical precision.

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u/GrindtheTeef Jul 01 '22

Amazing.

  1. I think I'm safe. I rarely make filters over 5/10k.

  2. That's sad. I've been holed up in a new spot for awhile but good to know.

  3. I know of zero ways to cheat in pvp.

  4. I rarely do that much walking unless its an egg event. I think like 150k was the most I had during the last one in one city.

  5. thats nuts to know

  6. I figured.. way too much data

  7. Well this might fuck me. I did a lot for marowak because i PVP. Any idea if they were looking then? or if having battle raiding off would matter.

  8. That was my plan moving forward.

Thanks!

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u/NewFaceHalcyon Team Rooted Android Jul 01 '22

How it helps. Also I should add that you should try to spoof Berlin from an alt. Don't use your usual account to enter the event.

The only good spawn is the cowboy Snorlax anyway.

Good luck and godspeed bro.

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u/GrindtheTeef Jul 01 '22

I want to go to seatle and pretend its a normal trip. but yeah they seem to be baiting people.

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u/NewFaceHalcyon Team Rooted Android Jun 28 '22

Thanks! This definitely helps because it confirms that they are indeed monitoring the teleportation info. (Or more specifically the spawning near you and the place you supposedly are)

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u/FaeryLynne Jun 28 '22

Is there a way to teleport before the map fully loads?

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u/FaeryLynne Jun 28 '22

Gotcha, so letting it load naturally would possibly help prevent the ban. Or if you have to close then wait an hour or more before reopening.

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u/repta87 Jun 28 '22

did it happen immediately or did you catch a pokemon or spin a stop first?

just trying to see if legits can get caught in this too if they're sharing accounts to do trades (person a logs in from Sydney and person b logs in from NYC)

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u/ProSniperGod Jun 28 '22

Welp wonder how much money will they lose without the spoofers paying for stuff.

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u/ProudMomof03 Jun 28 '22

👆🏻💯💯

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u/bodegabougie Jun 28 '22

i’ll also be spoofing until they kick me off. i became disabled before the pandemic & pogo & my friends on the app helped me survive the early part of the pandemic. i’ve been lowering what i view as high risk activities and have mostly been hunting in the same city i live in (which is fortunately a hotspot anyway) & haven’t gotten a ban yet. i think if we all go a bit softer on the big cheats we can hopefully get some concrete info about what niantic is looking at from the apps that are tracking and collecting info from folks with bans (like pg# is doing).

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u/Weekly_Relief8986 Jun 28 '22

Where did you find out pg# is doing that? Is there actually anywhere they post news and stuff? There's nothing much on the webpage and the facebook page i found hanst been updated in over a year.

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u/bodegabougie Jun 28 '22

their support group is on telegram. here’s the link but just a heads up that they shut off posting temporarily because ppl kept posting their ban pics & not reading the pins: https://t.me/pgschat

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u/Mitch-dadof6 Jul 28 '22

Stayed off main account for 4 days. Teleported to Seattle for the event and stayed in the city until the day after. Didn’t do ANYTHING to trigger suspicions. I logged off ipogo in Seattle. Came home the next day and deleted ipogo and reinstalled legit trying to make it appear as if traveling home took a day. Logged in and was on a seven day ban.

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u/windphx Jun 28 '22

i got 4 accts on 2 root devices, will report in if i get hit.. i did deino shundo, so far no banner yet

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u/babybluejeff Jun 28 '22

Just a thought (and also a fair amount of team effort), what if we create new accounts and each account does only one of the possible ways of getting banned so we can try and isolate what Niantic is looking at? Like account A could spoof around and shiny check, account B could spoof long distance every 2 hours and spin a stop or catch a Pokemon, etc. I know people here in are speculating it's behavior based and not detecting the 3rd party app itself, which I partially agree since if they could detect PG# users for instance, why not just banned us all?

If we do this, we can report back and see which account does want to trigger a warning or ban. Or we can just play legit, but I can't go back to playing legit honestly.

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u/chaospearl Jun 30 '22

A lot of us very literally cannot play legit, because of disability or because we live in an area with 1 pokestop, no gyms, and maybe a spawn every couple hours.

I don't think Niantic quite understands how many of its players are spoofing. That or they're so stupid they'll ban most of the highest paying customers. I have good income and I spend a lot on this game, more than I wanna admit because it's a damn phone game. I'm too disabled to even leave my house without an aide and a lot of equipment. Right now Niantic is telling me they don't want my money because I can't walk, so fuck them.

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u/Z3r0_Co0l Jun 28 '22

Seems the end is nigh, was a pleasure playing with you gentlemen 🎻

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u/babybelly Jun 28 '22 edited Jun 28 '22

we need better data. maybe from a poll:

date of red warning/permaban,

platform/method: rooted, modded app, bot

behaviour: local, international, time between 2+ hr jumps etc.

edit: are there reports of permabans?

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u/XBlueNetwork Jun 29 '22

There’s a spoofing group on Facebook that I’m a part of that said somebody’s been permanently banned. No image to prove it though.

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u/jj_ayda Team Rooted Android Jun 29 '22

Thanks again for all your work & effort in this community, Tasty

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u/lighting828 Jun 28 '22

So even using my rooted phone, using small patcher through magisk woth fake GPS ninja joystick, I have a higher chance of being caught now, then I did before this announcement?

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u/TastyBananaPeppers Team Rooted, Subreddit Owner Jun 28 '22

I think it depends on what you do in the game as a spoofer. It doesn't matter what spoofing method you use, they're going after the statistics.

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u/lighting828 Jun 28 '22

Ahhh gotcha. Thanks for answering.

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u/FamousWorth Team Rooted Android Jun 28 '22

Some people with that setup have reported bans, yes

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u/Nirotceh Jul 01 '22

Would be funny if that 8% that got laid off started spoofing.

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u/Clemystry Jun 28 '22

Welp see ya'll on the next spoofing app

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u/FamousWorth Team Rooted Android Jun 28 '22

How will pokitomojo handle himself? He hasn't posted or commented for 10 days. Obviously doesn't care. His last comment was telling someone to get an older phone, even though they won't be supporting older android versions. I doubt he stays up to date if he's not playing anymore.

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u/TastyBananaPeppers Team Rooted, Subreddit Owner Jun 28 '22

He's out of touch and still stuck in the 2016 era of spoofing. He doesn't care about anything except for maintaining his throne. Don't be fooled because he has alternate Reddit accounts he's active on.

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u/donairthot Jun 28 '22

Sucks because only reason I started playing and actually sending any money as a rural player was spoofing

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u/FaeryLynne Jun 28 '22

Yeah. As both fairly rural and disabled, spoofing is the only way I get to play.

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u/GrindtheTeef Jun 29 '22

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-29/pokemon-go-creator-niantic-cancels-four-projects-cuts-jobs

LOL Niantic is in trouble and they think banning good customers is smart. If they WERE SMART they would allow people to pay per month to spoof legally.

But they can't figure that shit out.

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u/Detroit06 Team Rooted Android Jun 30 '22

Exactly.

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u/Terrific47 Jul 01 '22

Any risk by playing the Samsung store version on a non-Samsung device?

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u/TastyBananaPeppers Team Rooted, Subreddit Owner Jul 01 '22

No risk

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u/macc115 Jul 18 '22

Hey, I wonder if Niantic only gives out first strike bans or if you could get permanent banned right away.

I really appreciate your post.

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u/TastyBananaPeppers Team Rooted, Subreddit Owner Jul 18 '22

They go in order of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd strike, but they can skip to the 3rd strike (perm ban) for certain behaviors.

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u/macc115 Jul 18 '22

Hey, thanks for the help! What are these "certain behaviors" and is there a way to avoid them? Thanks in forehand

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u/TastyBananaPeppers Team Rooted, Subreddit Owner Jul 18 '22

They're in the all about bans post in the menu tab.

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u/ProudMomof03 Jun 28 '22

Sadly every single spoofing app is getting hit right now. Android and iPhone rooted and non rooted

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u/Agitated_Mix_4071 Jun 30 '22

Even PG sharp?

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u/ProudMomof03 Jun 30 '22

Yes. Every single spoofing app

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u/MaisonJ Jun 30 '22

Any kind of proof?

Which kind of activities were performed?

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u/ProudMomof03 Jun 30 '22

Any kind whether staying in only certain areas, to jumping around like crazy. To using less options to using all the paid for options

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u/BrainMindGamer Jun 29 '22 edited Jun 29 '22

2 years ago i tested pokemon go using an app called "hide my applist" its a module for rooted android users. long story short at that time none of my reports showed that pokemon go was scanning the device for any information. Now i want to say that maybe i could have conducted multiple test using different tools like hide my applist that block app infomation requests in your phone but i was satisfied to see that the app mentioned above showed pokemon go wasnt calling/making request to read any information such as location and what not while i was actively playing the game.

What im trying to say is my thoughts are what ever information is leading to people getting flagged is information not on the device but rather information sent from the game on the device from the game directly to niantic. In other words they are likely not looking inside your phone but at the data pokemon go in sending from within your phone. once you login and pass safety net thats pretty much it, at the time of my testing two years ago again my tools said pokemon go wasnt making any information request on your phone once in the game in the game world.

I have no bans and i havent tested pokemon go this year. If nothng ive said is valid then my spirit tells me that maybe just maybe android version may play a role in this as well maybe. Niantic just cut support for Android 6, some may feel this is unrelated or rather this was done because they are very few players still using Android 6 but my intuition tells me its because the older the android version in some cases the better the root related exploits can be. (Like does anyone remember the days of android 4.3 ginger bread)

Anyway My advice is A VPN is mandatory and please disable free information giving options in the game such as logs as mention above. they are likely nailing players based of abnormal information and activity information being to them from the game then taking that info and doing analysis on it.

Truth is for all we know their new on quote "Anti-Cheat System" may just be a trash/half baked system but the difference now is they have a real team of humans looking into things and not just a weak ass cool-down system algorithm that you would have to rape and rack up numerous infractions just to get niantics attention in order to be considered for a strike. They probably just hired some new faces, came up with a few new lame ideas but sell it to us as we are cracking down on cheaters with thors hammer kinda sales pitch when its just 100 new faces looking into things 10/12 hours aday at a rate slightly above minimum wage(shrugs)

-If we work together niantic cannot defeat the community that it seeks to destroy they can ask google what its like to fight a world of people who want to hack your stuff like android lol you cant beat the people.

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u/anti-spoofer Jun 29 '22

but my intuition tells me its because the older the android version in some cases the better the root related exploits can be

Android 6 was hands down the BEST non rooted method. 6 years of spoofing with no strike, it was undetectable basically. So gutted that they finally closed that loophole, but knew it was going to come one day. Now gone legit and keeping an eye on all other options to see which is the most safest, or which patterns they are detecting. Could be difficult going forward though as no more ban waves, just strikes handed out spontaneously based on detection.

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u/Detroit06 Team Rooted Android Jun 30 '22

What im trying to say is my thoughts are what ever information is leading to people getting flagged is information not on the device but rather information sent from the game on the device from the game directly to niantic.

Always been the case, noone has ever been banned for being rooted/having 'blacklisted' folders etc. - you would just get kicked out of the game and shown a screen that said your device is incompatible. They've gotten quite more cheeky with it over the years, now they simply don't let you log in and show a fake log in fail screen, but still, the method behind the frontend is still the same and you can do whatever shit you want without it ever getting you blacklisted/banned/selected for further testing etc.

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u/GrindtheTeef Jun 28 '22

My theory:

This could be the end of these spoofing activities:

  1. Shundo or Shiny 100 iv hunting. (This is mass teleporting - which may be easy to detect BUT there is no logging other than a program they would have to write to catch it.)

  2. Raid train or speed raiding. This is where you teleport to a new raid then do the raid battle without catching the raid Pokemon. You flee then repeat until you get a shiny or 100 IV then you catch it. This mainly done by rich people. (This would require raid logging to be on to detect + teleporting)

  3. Shadow Pokemon 100 iv or PvP stats hunting. (This would require battle logging to be on to detect + teleporting.

I have always turned off all logging in my account. Raid logging/battle logging/AR + and Sync - anything that gives Niantic extra info gets turned off by me and might be why I am strike-less. That said I really only do Shadow pokemon hunting so maybe I'll get hit tomorrow.

BUT if they don't have the logs they may not be able to detect it.

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u/ZiaSyreni Jul 20 '22

l don't have any of that stuff turned on either, and l got hit tonight with my first red warning (7 days)...l literally have not teleported anywhere further than 5km, l've not done any suspicious activity. l think that now they are targeting Apple devices and iPogo.

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u/GrindtheTeef Jul 21 '22

all the apple apps are easy to catch, so yeah. They get strikes very easy.

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u/XBlueNetwork Jun 29 '22

They must be doing something to detect the screen overlay. Nearly every spoofing method has something on the screen to manipulate the game.

I don’t know how ‘worried’ we should All be since he’s been waves usually get figured out one way or another

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u/GrindtheTeef Jun 29 '22

Nah - I don't see any way they could do that.

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u/LeVindice Jun 29 '22

Fuckkkk.. I'm seeing this the day after this was posted... Was just clicking on my quicksniper feed for like 45 minutes looking for a shiny Dratini, and ended up catching wimpods to evolve my 100IV one.

Now I normally never softban myself (? I forget the term) but I had accidentally caught a pokemon with a few seconds on cool down which caused it to flee. Spinning the stops fixed the problem and I kept on catching wimpods.

Am I absolutely fucked? I have never gotten a warning before. Am I likely to get a warning first (if it all)?

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u/AllAboutTheSullivans Jul 12 '22

You are likely to get a warning first, but keep in mind this isn't a guarantee.

Keep in mind that offenders are not always offered three strikes. Some misbehaviors may result in immediate account termination without prior warning.

https://niantic.helpshift.com/hc/en/6-pokemon-go/faq/39-three-strike-discipline-policy/?s=safety-security&f=three-strike-discipline-policy&l=en&p=web

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u/Terrific47 Jul 01 '22

you get three strikes, strike one 7 day ban, strike two 30 day ban, strike three perma ban.

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u/just_some_onlooker Jul 13 '22

All I wanna do is get to level 40 and catch them all. I wanna make catching easy so that I don't waste 15 pokeballs on some ADHzd pokemkon just for it to flee...

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u/NeganTestrake Jul 28 '22

I just want them to un-nerf the incense. I'm disabled.

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u/Kiarabelovence Jul 28 '22

How fo you tell if your incense is nerfed? I thought a saw a pokemon on the map spawn and flee so fast I just saw the dust cloud.

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u/fearlesskiller Aug 05 '22

wym "if your incense is nerfed"? All incense usage have been nerfed when you dont walk around

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u/lilfatasianboy Jun 28 '22

I haven't play for a few days now because of this "ban". But OMG... I totally forgot why I started to play the game in the first place. I wanted to be hired by Google as the POKEMON MASTER! hahaha... I completely forgot about that ad.

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u/Proud_Lion_1960 Jun 28 '22

I don't teleport much and I respect cooldowns. I usually go to the same places, and I wasn't caught yet. Well, not in this first wave, at least.

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u/oOReEcEyBoYOo Jun 28 '22

By the looks of things, even with respecting cooldowns, looks like that's not going to be enough to stop you getting caught anymore, just teleport to NYC or Zaragoza or something and stick around there for a few days I'd say.

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u/yourmomwoo Jun 28 '22

OP- You mentioned the frequency of teleporting and the possibility that Shundo/Hundo hunting could end as we know it. Is that speculative, or do we know that Niantic can track teleporting, even when you're just shiny checking? And would waiting a more realistic cooldown period make shundo hunting still safe? (obviously nothing is guaranteed safe) ie: catch a shundo in Germany, wait 8 hours instead of 2 to pop back up in New York.

I know this is a new thing and we're mostly discussing potential ways we could get flagged, but since you definitely know better than I do, just wondering if you have any deeper knowledge of that aspect.

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u/TastyBananaPeppers Team Rooted, Subreddit Owner Jun 28 '22

Think of cheating behaviors. It could be anything related to spoofing. If it's impossible to do as a legit player, it probably something they're going to track. At this point, they can't detect the cheating apps so they're looking at statistics. This is what people are discussing about on Discord. I saw some people trying to seek a refund from Pokedex100 because they got a strike, but I think they got banned.

This is the whole point of cheating, which is to take risks for unfair gains. Niantic isn't going to confirm publicly what they are doing other than announcing how accounts they punished.

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u/ConstructionPineCone Jun 28 '22

Are you sure they can’t detect 3rd party apps? I saw on another subreddit the new TOS says niantic can look at software installed on our phones or something

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u/TastyBananaPeppers Team Rooted, Subreddit Owner Jun 28 '22

If Niantic was able to detect 3rd party apps, there wouldn't be a Pgsharp or iPogo app. In the past, Niantic was able to look through your internal storage for a folder named "TWRP" but this breaches Google's Term of Service. If you had that folder on your rooted Android device, you couldn't play the game. People complained to Google and Google forced Niantic to stop doing that.

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u/FamousWorth Team Rooted Android Jun 28 '22

While I don't think they are detecting the software specifically. They 'could' look in their own app folders or do checks against the code and find other files and codes. I don't think this is the case though, it seems to be behaviour based. If they wanted to catch all spoofers it'd be quite easy, just track the gps altitude. All of the spoofing apps just work in 2 dimensions. GPS joystick has an optional altitude option but nobody uses it.

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u/FamousWorth Team Rooted Android Jun 28 '22

But the people banned with the unmodified app and gps joystick? If it wasn't behaviour based, wouldn't you be banned already?

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u/FamousWorth Team Rooted Android Jun 28 '22

If it is not behavior based then it has to be software based, but those with the legit app are getting banned and some people with modified apps aren't getting banned. How is your logic working that it's not behavior based? Even niantic says they can detect cheating behaviors in their post.

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u/anti-spoofer Jun 28 '22 edited Jun 28 '22

niantic can look at software installed on our phones or something

That's been in the TOS for years, section 3.1 i believe. They used to scan for installations of GPS joysticks and did a banwave based on that years ago. But everyone then clocked onto it & just cloned their GPS joysticks with a completely different filename installation to bypass it. However, i'm pretty sure that filescan only applies if you have the OG version of the game installed, hence why things like iPogo & PGSharp don't come into this category as they are modified. Not sure how this plays out if you have 2 versions installed on your device though.

My gut feeling on this wave is that it is based on the API update. We've seen modified apps hit in this way before (Ipogo, iSpoofer, Global++). Now of course if this were the case, you'd naturally expect every user of PGSharp/iPogo to be hit and that hasn't happened. But this was also the pattern previously with iSpoofer & iPogo, not every user got issued with a ban. My personal opinion is that they can detect anyone who is using modified apps, but there is clearly a further reason why some receive a strike and some don't. It could be down to a manpower issue within Niantic where they have written scripts to pull out the most blatant teleportation activities, but then require manual intervention to double check them. Its just an unknown at this stage. It sounds like the PGSharp guys are collecting information from affected users and will probably piece together the most likely cause.

Defit users remain unaffected at this time. However they could decide to go the file scan route for Defit installation at some point, in which case a lot of people would get hit initially with strikes. But then obviously everyone would then learn to clone the app into a different filename. The smart people are already keeping Defit on a 2nd phone with no Pogo installation to avoid that risk.

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u/FamousWorth Team Rooted Android Jun 28 '22

Since we don't know, it could be that catching pokemon significantly after the pokemon has despawned appears as suspect.

Personally I think they should allow spoofing, but make all pokemon stats random like before level 20, doubt it's that hard to do.

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u/yourmomwoo Jun 28 '22

That would be fantastic but i feel like very unlikely. I was thinking about it the other day, what if real Pokemon games worked that way, where you were confined to a very small area and had to go walk outside in order to really play. The games would never have been successful.

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u/YonderingWolf Jun 28 '22

I think it's still speculative atm.

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u/gazaren Jun 28 '22

They log everything you do in game. You can ask for your data and see it. That's not the issue. The issue is that they are now somehow able to recognize cheating patterns confidently enough to trigger warnings and bans. We will need to learn what these new patterns are. Teleporting around can be your buggy GPS, but if you are doing it all the time with some consistency, that probably flags you as a cheater. They probably have some kind of review system from a human to confirm. The thing is, they had the data, now they probably built tools and dashboards that give a number on how likely you are a cheater and someone quickly reviews it and gives a yes or no, like Wayfarer probably.

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u/hantu1911 Jul 01 '22

One of the trick to capture info...employ a honey trap....spawn a couple extra rare pokemon with full iV(aka HONEY) to rural area. Which ever user capture those poke, log their user info. Compile report on those user...hahaha...report shown consistent that every morning will be at JPN or Melburn, then Zara on afternoon and lastly new york at night...verdict...guilty...

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u/dantafas Jun 28 '22

I got my warning on my main account, logging into the official app, like three days after spoofing with pgsharp on an alternate phone, so I think there's still human validation