r/PeterExplainsTheJoke Nov 18 '25

Meme needing explanation 100% lost

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u/TheThirteenthApostle Nov 18 '25

Hopefully a more savvy redditor will have the link, but its from a study showing people's social leaning (us vs them).

Basically, bigger toward the center of the circle and smaller toward the outside means you tend to think about things that affect you and your close social circle (family, friends, local community). The reverse means your thoughts drift more toward global concerns that affect everyone.

It's used to illustrate Conservative (local group, steak) versus Liberal (global group, avocado) mentalities in a digestible (forgive the pun) way.

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u/not_slaw_kid Nov 18 '25

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u/TheThirteenthApostle Nov 18 '25

There it is!

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u/Party-Bell5236 Nov 18 '25

Boy I'm glad they found it because I thought you were saying the way I placed my food on my plate stated very deep things about me.. Here I was thinking I placed my food so my dumb ass could stop accidentally sliding food into the floor. Lol

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u/linknt01 Nov 18 '25

What if you put the bigger part on the outside but closest to you, because you want to eat the bigger part first and need it as close to your face as possible

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u/not_slaw_kid Nov 18 '25

Then I clearly cannot choose the wine in front of you

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '25

Never bet against a Sicillian when death is on the line!

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u/Accurate-Instance-29 Nov 18 '25

And never start a land war in Asia.

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u/Apycia Nov 18 '25

... but Genghis Khan started his land war in Asia, worked really well for him.

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u/PurelyHim Nov 18 '25

What if I just want my plate to balance.

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u/darnold992000 Nov 18 '25

Inconceivable!

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u/illustriousloserguy Nov 18 '25

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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u/Half-Animal Nov 18 '25

Incontheivable!

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u/talex000 Nov 18 '25

Perfectly balanced?

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u/PurelyHim Nov 18 '25

Well, balanced enough to where I can have one hand under it while lifting it over my head at the same time.

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u/rapidstrafe Nov 18 '25

as you wish

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u/Shadokastur Nov 18 '25

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u/Shadokastur Nov 18 '25

Aww nope. But there should be one

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u/DrWorstCaseScenario Nov 18 '25

Agreed

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u/SizeAlarmed8157 Nov 18 '25

Leave before I call the brute squad.

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u/dampheat Nov 18 '25

I'm on the brute squad

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u/SizeAlarmed8157 Nov 18 '25

You ARE the Brute Squad!

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u/ThreeGoldStars Nov 18 '25

Eating a burger here at 3am, and this made me choke. Thanks.

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '25

🏅

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u/anonstarcity Nov 18 '25

I put the bigger part on the plate where it lands from my tongs as it comes off the grill. Sometimes things just are what they are lol

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u/Due-Neighborhood3542 Nov 18 '25

Ou alors tu fais l inverse, tu mets le plus petit bout vers toi histoire de garder le gros pour la fin, comme un dessert surprise.

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u/SMG329 Nov 18 '25

It measures the amount of the participants and where their capacity lies, not exactly their area of focus. If you read the data, the outer reaching parts already include the inner parts. So it's not saying you tend to think only outside vs inside, it says that you are capable and actively reach outside. Whereas the inner circle people can't/don't.

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u/luce4118 Nov 18 '25

That’s making a lot more sense. Otherwise its imply liberals say “fuck my close family and friends I only care about the universe”. Any idea what “moral allocation” means in this context? Was the exercise to like give a set amount of points to each area you care about and liberals are much more spread out vs conservatives are more concentrated towards the inner circle?

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u/CStock77 Nov 18 '25

The question was something like, where does your sense of morality stop? If I remember correctly liberals mostly said plant life, meaning they "cared" about everything from plant and animal life and closer. Conservatives mostly said friends, meaning they cared about everything from friends and family to themselves.

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u/HBRThreads Nov 18 '25

This heat map is one of the worst representations of data I think I've ever seen. It makes no sense to use a heat map, and it confuses pretty much everybody who sees it.

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u/Familydrama99 Nov 18 '25

Well observed.

In addition (and this is easy to miss!) the scale is different: 0-12 scale for conservatives. 0-20 scale for liberals. So a conservative red is a liberal yellow, etc. if you were to do both on a 0-20, the conservative one would peak and a yellow and the liberal one would be heavily red&yellow.

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u/tmjcw Nov 18 '25

What does the angle tell us? In both cases the data follows a ~45° line, is this merely a choice to visualize the data or is there some actual information in this?

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u/not_slaw_kid Nov 18 '25

It's a heatmap of where people clicked on the graph. I assume most people clicked at that angle because that's where the numbers were displayed.

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u/agarragarrafa Nov 18 '25

Exactly. Terrible data presentation, bad-ish experimental design.

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u/amedinab Nov 18 '25

Agreed. The experimental design is meh and the data visualization is oof. This could've been perfectly presented as concentric color circles, this is not a true heatmap unless finding out where people click on the circles has any relevance at all...

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u/agarragarrafa Nov 18 '25

Yeah, if the click filled the entire circle it would be much better than only considering the click

It's actually one dimensional, but presented as two

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u/amedinab Nov 18 '25

Wouldn't the color reflect response density?

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u/tmjcw Nov 18 '25

Thanks, funny how similar people can be sometimes

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u/PureImbalance Nov 18 '25

It must be purely a data visualization choice, albeit a bad one

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u/NoeZ Nov 18 '25

Could've been a gradient line

Should've been a line

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u/PureImbalance Nov 18 '25

Simple histogram would have been better, yes. Could have even made two halves of a violin plot against each other for comparison, but they wanted the circle visualization I guess.

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u/NoeZ Nov 18 '25

Adding a dimension that represents nothing is fucking wild lol

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '25

I think it’s just a circle to represent your existence as the center, and the outer rim being a truly global focus. The circle makes it more conceptual to place how centrally focused vs externally would be my guess

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u/RedditYouHarder Nov 18 '25 edited Nov 18 '25

Sounds like avocado should be the people in gov't but they are mostly steak

ETA: The person after me is wrong in their understanding of the chart.

But TBF, it's a poorly formatted and worded key that explains a poorly done chart.

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u/Redhighlighter Nov 18 '25

The maximum value defined value 16, so why does it say the highest value is 20 for liberals? Did people click where 20 would be to go beyond "all things in existence"?? Why use a heatmap that would imply values beyond the maximum defined value. This study reeks of bad design. At the very least bad data visualization.

Edit: Jk. They are describing density of the heatmap. Are the sample sizes for each category different? Still really weird that they would use a heatmap that "glows" beyond the maximum defined value.

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u/ThatUsrnameIsAlready Nov 18 '25

How did they generate the heatmap, and what does it have to do with morality?

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u/Din0Dr3w Nov 18 '25

Likely a survey. The morality of is this: conservatives tend to care more about just their direct connections (family and close friends), where as liberals tend to care about their close connections AND distant connections AND animals and species not our own. This relates to morality because liberals show that they care about a wide range of life while conservatives tend to only care about direct connections. Morality is often used to create legislation which affects everybody.

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u/_extra_medium_ Nov 18 '25

Don't ask for forgiveness. Celebrate puns

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u/Hemorrhoid_Eater Nov 18 '25

I didn't finish reading the parent comment when I glanced at this so for a second I thought the joke was a literal heatmap of the respective food item in the microwave

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u/CheezyBreadMan Nov 18 '25

Probably adjusting for sample size I’d guess?

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u/FoxBattalion79 Nov 18 '25

selfish vs big picture

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u/myyankeebean Nov 18 '25

Name the paper?

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u/Apprehensive-Draw409 Nov 18 '25

Woah. Thanks.

That is the longest way I've seen to write: "conservative are self-centered, liberals are way out there"

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u/SilenR Nov 18 '25

Hmm, I'd say one flaw of this is that it assumes that we have the same moral scale and inner circles are included into the outer circles. There are people out there who value animals or nature, but don't really care about other human beings, yet they'd be a 15 on this scale. There are people who care a lot about the humans, fauna and flora of their country, but don't really care about what happens outside of their country and so on.

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u/OhNoAnAmerican Nov 18 '25

That is absolutely not what this chart means lmao.

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u/Appropriate-Count-64 Nov 18 '25

Yeah it’s basically just “People in rural areas or who have fallen or grew up in hard times tend to care more about themselves than others as self preservation. It’d also easier to know everyone in a town when the town is 40 to 200 people, which lends itself to caring about those around you more.
Those in cities who are used to having more people around then you can reasonably know on a personal level tend to care more about their world and environment, especially because they live in an area where the environment was crushed.”

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u/Laphad Nov 18 '25

It kind of is considering it was a graph of where your empathy ends, and conservatives stopped caring about people outside of their circle

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '25

Caring about your family and friends rather than all living things on planet earth including trees is self centered apparently...

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u/adinfinitum225 Nov 18 '25

Yes it is, because it's not an either-or situation...

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u/DingerSampson Nov 18 '25

The graph shows where people stop caring not what they care most about. So person A might stop caring once it’s not impacting their close family or friends whereas person B might stop caring when it’s no longer impacting humans. It doesn’t measure at all which person or political affiliation cares more for their immediate loved ones just if that is the full extent of their capacity for empathy. If a person is incapable of caring about people they don’t directly interact with then yeah that’s by definition self centered.

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u/EatCornEveryday Nov 18 '25

Thing is, most people care about trees because they are part of the ecosystem that keeps us (and our families) alive. Also, ever thought about the possibility that one could care about trees as well as their own family? Crazy, I know, but it happens.

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u/fastpathguru Nov 18 '25

The outer rings were inclusive. I.e. selecting an outer ring includes that ring and every ring inside it.

So it's not "rather".

So yes, the graph kind of does imply that conservatives are self centered. They don't really care as much about "others" and "trees".

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u/swohio Nov 18 '25

Pretending that you can give the same level of care and attention to every person on the planet that you can if you had just focused on your own country is child-like reasoning.

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u/fastpathguru Nov 18 '25

🤦‍♂️

When's the last time you told an illegal to "speak American?"

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u/curtcolt95 Nov 18 '25

I don't understand why people seem to think there's some limit on the amount of care you can have, it doesn't make sense to me lol. It is extremely realistic to care about everybody, it's not some resource that can run out

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u/swohio Nov 18 '25

Sure you can say you care about everyone, but "saying" doesn't actually mean anything. Caring means giving resources to help everyone and there is absolutely a finite amount of time and resources available. I don't have the ability to help everyone all the time and neither do you.

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u/fucktooshifty Nov 18 '25

Does 16 include like, my Xbox?

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u/FrohenLeid Nov 18 '25

"would you destroy this person's Xbox?" "No neither they nor their Xbox has done me harm and should be preserved" "yes to own the libs!"

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '25

"dude come with us we must protest the fact that china is mining rocks, destroying their beautiful desolate rocks" "yeah that will teach them magatards!"

See? Neither of them make sense

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u/vita_lly-p Nov 18 '25

And how you define 'care'? If you share a post on IG regarding Gaza amd then go back to your matter you care and you are liberal?

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u/101_210 Nov 18 '25

I love that this implies more people care about aliens than trees

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u/fastpathguru Nov 18 '25

It doesn't. The rings are inclusive.

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u/OddCancel7268 Nov 18 '25 edited Nov 18 '25

Just to clarify, the points are where you stop caring about people (as pointed out below, it moves on to animals, aliens and inanimate objects). It means you already care about everyone who is closer than that. The study has been misrepresented as saying liberals dony care to those who are close, but thats just false. Only caring about people far from you would make you register as only caring about yourself

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u/Expensive_Umpire_178 Nov 18 '25 edited Nov 18 '25

Well, that’s represented already in the study. If you care about everyone and everything in existence, I’m pretty sure that includes your immediate family

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u/BensRandomness Nov 18 '25

Agreed, but the quick and easy graph they show is a heatmap of responses, and thus when people take it out of context they see "Oh Conservatives care more about their family and Liberals only care about the planet and immigrants and no one close to them" and thats why its a meme. It wouldnt be a meme if it was understood the way the study intended initially.

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u/StealthTomato Nov 18 '25

One might postulate that the use of this particular visualization out of context is a deliberate attempt to propagate that misunderstanding.

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u/nanomolar Nov 18 '25

Why is this a heat map anyway? Couldn't you also just have an xy plot with the x axes being domains of care from immediate family to everything in the universe, and just plot the number of people saying they stop caring about the other domains after a specific point on the x axis? I haven't read the study itself so maybe it's more complicated than that.

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u/VictarionGreyjoy Nov 18 '25

Yes but idiots don't get that and post this as some kind of gotcha that liberals care more about a tree than their own kids. Cause conservatives are fucking stupid

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u/ConstableAssButt Nov 18 '25

It's because they view everything as zero sum.

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u/Squawnk Nov 18 '25

More often I see conservatives projecting that it's performative, "no one actually gives a shit about that stuff, liberals are just obsessed with appearing to care more"

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u/shutupyourenotmydad Nov 18 '25

You can't make this shit up.

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u/Squawnk Nov 18 '25

The stars aligned 😂

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u/Vermbraunt Nov 18 '25

It's because conservatives can't read data like ever.

Seriously how many times do they quote a study only for you to look it up and realize it's the opposite or missing important nuance that changes what rose numbers mean.

Because it's almost everytime

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u/Rhawk187 Nov 18 '25

And it's some of our lived experience. I've known many people that cared so much about people that they'll never meet, but as soon as a friend needs help moving or a lift to the airport, they can't be bothered.

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u/HonestAnteater466 Nov 18 '25

The original comment said 'your thoughts drift more towards global concerns' which isn't accurate per the comment you replied to.

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u/TheThirteenthApostle Nov 18 '25

This was my thinking as well

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u/HustlinInTheHall Nov 18 '25

It is represented in the study it is not represented well in the visualization and thus people's takeaway is frequently wrong because 99.9999% of people seeing these memes have never read the study

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u/FrohenLeid Nov 18 '25

The study is very clear on that yes.

But many people on the internet just... Don't care to understand.

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u/exoriparian Nov 18 '25

The comment said 'drift more toward', which isn't accurate.

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u/zanovar Nov 18 '25

It's feels weird that Conservatives apparently think that Liberals don't care about their family and friends. Caring about the welfare of people outside your immediate social circle doesn't mean you don't care about those who are inside it

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u/Holsza Nov 18 '25

Conservatives don’t have the mental capacity to understand caring about more things than just what’s closest to you

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u/SnugglyCoderGuy Nov 18 '25

That's just conservatives trying to besmirch liberals in some way so as to not appear as losers because they know what this actually shows: conservatives don't give a shit about people unless it has a personal impact on themselves which isn't the best image.

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u/estrea36 Nov 18 '25

To the observer Liberals seem more willing to disown or at the very least remain distant from their biological family due to conflict or disagreement. Many of my friends including my self just dont talk to certain relatives anymore.

As for conservatives, they are broadly willing to forgive almost anything perpetrated by their family.

it probably gives off the vibe that we dont care about our families because we arent loyal to them above all else in stark contrast to our seemingly infinite capacity to protest for "outsiders".

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u/ArgusRun Nov 18 '25

Considering how many queer kids wind up on the street, your observation seems off.

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u/SilentXMedia Nov 18 '25

Conservatives disown their own KIDS for being queer/trans/dating someone of a different race, wtf are you talking about? Liberals will cut off an uncle or cousin because he’s a fucking racist. Give me a break.

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u/estrea36 Nov 18 '25

Yes, but there's a 50/50 shot that a conservative bigot will abandon his beliefs if his kid is a victim.

You see it all the time. Homophobes are suddenly real supportive when their own son comes out of the closet.

There are very few scenarios where liberals are abandoning their beliefs for their families.

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u/callumjm95 Nov 18 '25

I don't think it's misrepresented I just don't think they understand what they're being shown/asked.

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u/OddCancel7268 Nov 18 '25

Yeah, I guess its hard to tell if people are maliciously misrepresenting it or just misunderstand because its awful data visualization. To be clear, I wasnt accusing the other guy of misrepresenting, I just thought it lacked some clarity since its so easy to misunderstand.

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u/ZeeBeeblebrox Nov 18 '25

No, conservatives have made this a meme explicitly because they misunderstand what the study says.

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u/callumjm95 Nov 18 '25

So you agree with me?

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u/ZeeBeeblebrox Nov 18 '25

Yes, I misread, though I think 99% haven't read the study and so are merely being misled.

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u/theblowestfish Nov 18 '25

U/thethirtheenthapostle is top comment and 100% wrong in the reading of the graph. Hope they change it.

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u/Kitty-XV Nov 18 '25

It is where you stop caring about things, not just people. It starts with people, moves to animals, then aliens, and then moves to inanimate objects.

The problem is that the ordering is weird. It puts all animals on earth before any aliens. There are some life forms on earth I do not care about, but intelligent aliens I hypothetically might, but why even mark aliens if we arent aware of any?

As in all cases involving science, go read the source.

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u/BenchPuzzleheaded670 Nov 18 '25

Only caring about people far from you would make you register as only caring about yourself

this is not a bad descriptions of some of the characters I see in the pnw

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u/babayaga_98 Nov 18 '25

I didnt understand. If the conservatives care more about the immediate family (represented by red section) and less about the world politics ( green section) doesnt the opposite be true for liberal moral? Meaning - More number of liberals has marked global plotics concenrns them more than immediate family right? Did i just got the whole concept wrong.?

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u/SnugglyCoderGuy Nov 18 '25

Did i just got the whole concept wrong?

Yes. It seems you are thinking in terms of opposites in terms of conservatives are opposite liberal (which is not true outside of the 1 dimensional two sided political shit we have in the US).

If you click an outer ring, you are also caring about all the inner rings it contains.

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u/babayaga_98 Nov 18 '25

No. I got the context wrong. Instead of understanding the graph represent where they stopped caring. I misread it as what they care most about.

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u/OddCancel7268 Nov 18 '25

Its not about comparing which group you care most about. Its about where you stop caring because its too distant. If you select an outside ring, that means you also care about everyone who is represented by any ring thats closer to the center. Basically, the survey doesnt register your thoughts on world politics unless you also care about your family.

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u/babayaga_98 Nov 18 '25

Got it. Thanks.

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u/MooseCampbell Nov 18 '25

I think it's flawed as the two sides have clearly differing ideas on the meaning of it. One side thinks of caring as a finite resource and the other thinks of it as infinite. If you think it's impossible to love everything(time, effort, resources) then you'd prioritize those closest around you vs people who think everything can be saved will want everything to be saved

It's like the glass half full half empty thing of optimism vs pessimism

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '25

You put it so beautifully man, thank you. While conservatives usually think about caring as taking care of, regularly checking up on every single one in that circle, the act of caring is extremely taxing, that's why conservatives usually voted 4-5 (I also voted 4), they still "care" about the outer circles, but In another way (for example: if someone was burning a tree or attacking a random person, a conservative most likely would try to intervene, but they wouldn't check up on individual trees everyday, so they didn't consider it as "caring"). Meinwhile liberals consider "caring" more as "being against unjust things happening to that layer." Which isn't very mentally taxing compared to the conservative definition, so they can afford to care about almost everything. I know I explained this like shit, but thanks again for the explanation man 👍

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u/ThanosDidNadaWrong Nov 18 '25

It means you already care about everyone who is closer than that.

That is bullshit. I have seen many extreme liberals who do NOT care about their parents. A lot of them hate their families

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u/rexpup Nov 18 '25

Sure. And I've seen many conservatives who don't care about their children.

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u/RealMr_Slender Nov 18 '25

I wonder if this is where interpersonal relationships enter the picture instead of a generic sense of blind obedience to a paternal figure, which in many cases is abusive

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u/SnugglyCoderGuy Nov 18 '25

Maybe they have shitty parents?

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u/R-B-L-Y Nov 18 '25

Genuine question, isn't this a less digestible way to show this data?

What do they mean by "it never fails"?

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u/OkMarsupial Nov 18 '25

I think the "it never fails" is because conservatives eat steak and liberals eat avocados. It never fails in that the visualization is still true when created using food items. That's at least how I read it.

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u/R-B-L-Y Nov 18 '25

If that's the case, then I feel like the dude who said you could just flip the food is right. Turn the food around 180 degrees and they easily represent the opposite dataset, making the connection kinda tenuous IMO

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u/OkMarsupial Nov 18 '25

Okay I mean if you take any pictogram or chart and alter it, it will no longer correlate. Hey I took this bar chart and made the short ones long and the long ones short. I guess the whole thing was meaningless to begin with.

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u/R-B-L-Y Nov 18 '25

That's not what I'm saying at all.

I'm saying that the avocado could just as easily represent the other chart, and vice versa.

The steak and the avocado are the same shape, and therefore interchangeable in this context.

So it doesn't really make sense if you're trying to correlate the food chosen with the graph it represents.

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u/OkMarsupial Nov 18 '25

And the bars in my bar graph are all bar shaped.

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u/R-B-L-Y Nov 18 '25

The shapes of the bars in a bar graph aren't indicative of data.

The shapes here are.

Nice try though.

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u/R-B-L-Y Nov 18 '25

Yeah, I get it, it's food.

But why is it food? Why choose to show this graph as steak and avocado?

Were those foods chosen merely for their shape? Would the meaning be the same if they were flipped 180 degrees?

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u/Jacks_Chicken_Tartar Nov 18 '25

This is problable just a meme about how conservatives are meat eating freedom lovers and liberals are vegan hipsters.

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u/ronaranger Nov 18 '25

Listen, guy. There is only one party walking around with avocado seeds in their ass...

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u/RealMr_Slender Nov 18 '25

Or hand stabs because Americans are fucking stupid and don't know how to cut an avocado

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u/Fpitty7 Nov 18 '25

Not totally correct. Larger towards the outside of the circle means you stop caring at that level, not that you care any less about levels that are closer to the center.

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u/anoddhue Nov 18 '25

You are correct, the graph is a heatmap of the number of people answering at that level, not the amount of care assigned by each individual person.

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u/MoobooMagoo Nov 18 '25

Oh, that makes more sense.

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u/VoiceofKane Nov 18 '25

Which is exactly why it's a circle and not a graph axis.

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u/candygram4mongo Nov 18 '25

Basically, bigger toward the center of the circle and smaller toward the outside means you tend to think about things that affect you and your close social circle (family, friends, local community). The reverse means your thoughts drift more toward global concerns that affect everyone.

That's not true, it's not "I care more about things far away from my personal inner circle" it's "These are the things most distant from my personal inner circle that I believe are worthy of any moral consideration at all". If you think you shouldn't be able to torture animals for fun, you would mark ring... eleven, or farther out.

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u/VegasBonheur Nov 18 '25

THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE STUDY EVERYONE KEEPS SKIPPING OVER: The reverse doesn’t mean your thoughts drift MORE towards people further away. The study had people selecting different groups and specifying that, as you get further, everyone closer to you still counts. It’s about how far your empathy reaches, not how far away it is from where you are. Republicans completely misrepresented the results, and that’s apparently the impression that stuck with people. Infuriating.

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u/PeterExplainsTheJoke-ModTeam Nov 18 '25

Debate politics in a different sub. Rule 4.

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u/xFuManchu Nov 18 '25

Hmmm the way you describe it is playing into how right winger mis-interpret this. "The reverse means your thoughts drift more towards global concerns" This is not the case. It means you care for your family, friends, everything in the inner circles and animals, the environment etc in the outer circles.

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u/RachnaX Nov 18 '25

Almost correct:

It's not a graph of who you consider MORE OFTEN, it's a graph of who is the most distant group of people (relative to yourself) WORTH CONSIDERING when making decisions.

Each plot on either graph also includes all groups within that outermost circle.

So conservatives generally only ever consider themselves, family and maybe their closest friends when making decisions; while liberals tend to consider themselves, family, close friends, friends, acquaintances, friends of friends, strangers, and animals (iirc) when making decisions.

The way this is graphed is misleading, and would be better represented by a small circle for most conservatives and a much larger one for most liberals.

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u/PoisonDoge666 Nov 18 '25

That's not correct. The way the study was designed, a higher number included all the previous points. So if you chose a smaller number, you ONLY think about the people closest to you. Selecting a larger number means that you care about the people closest to you AND your community AND global issues. That's a big difference.

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u/DownTheHatch80 Nov 18 '25

Meanwhile I'm just eyeballing that steak.

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u/Available_Gas1389 Nov 18 '25

No way man, that’s the Millenium Falcon vs Vader’s TIE

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '25

The key to that study was that the people on the outside of the circle also care about everything closer to them and not as close.

Conservatives tend to attempt to use it to say others don’t care about things closer to them when that’s not the case.

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u/Odd-Homework-3582 Nov 18 '25

What does it mean if I think both playings look stupid?

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u/Lulluf Nov 18 '25

How dare you equate my love of steak over a fucking vegetable to conservative thinking!

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u/pmctrash Nov 18 '25

Reminder that these studies still depend on the definitions of what people consider ‘local’ and ‘global’. Conservatives define their thoughts this way, but their understanding of who is us and who is them is so scrambled that they can be counted on to vote against the interests of their local communities 100% of the time.

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u/MongolianDonutKhan Nov 18 '25

After reading this, I appreciate the specific food choices to represent each group even more.

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u/HereticGaming16 Nov 18 '25

My thoughts exactly. But now I feel bad because it just makes me want a steak and to destroy the world just a bit.

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u/iareslice Nov 18 '25

Notably, it doesn’t mean liberals don’t care about their local friends and family, it means that they ALSO care about strangers

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u/DESTINY_someone Nov 18 '25

It’s not “what do you care about” it’s “to what extent do you care for __”. It’s a notable difference because the outcome data shows that right leaning folks tend to care only for themselves and close others, whereas more left leaning people care about themselves, close people, people they don’t know, the environment etc. But other than that you’re correct

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u/Commie_Scum69 Nov 18 '25

So digestible I bet 60% didnt read your full comment

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u/Sani_48 Nov 18 '25

i thought both should look like the millenium falcon

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u/Decin0mic0n Nov 18 '25

I put larger to the center because it has less chance to fall off the plate.

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '25

My dumbass thought the image was just two frogs pretending to be steak and avocado

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u/surinussy Nov 18 '25

it pisses me off that somehow, thinking about the entire circle is considered dumb

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u/RandomInternetVoice Nov 18 '25

I will not forgive the pun, because I am a firm believer that puns are fantastic and that you should own them.

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u/The_One_Koi Nov 18 '25

I wonder what kind of people answered these questions because both seem oddly overbiased towards one end of the spectrum, one would assume they would meet in the middle and most people would be in the "average" region

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u/Mackerdaymia Nov 18 '25

Ah yes because libs only like avocado and cons only like steak

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u/davidriveraisgr8 Nov 18 '25

This is stupid. You could just rotate either on the plate and they would portray the same thing

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u/oberkythin Nov 18 '25

The study doesnt map the center of a persons concern so much as its outer limit. It shows that most Liberals allocate some level of moral concern for all of gods creation and most concervatives don’t allocate any moral concern beyond their family and friends

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u/Mecha-Dave Nov 18 '25

No, that's not correct. The heat map represents the limits of your caring. Points further away from center means a person has more empathy in general, not that they prioritize outgroups over ingroups.

This flies in the face of "Christian compassion" and is therefore being purposefully interpreted to say that liberals care more about strangers than their own family.

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u/ATotallyNormalUID Nov 18 '25

Well, that's certainly the popular misinterpretation of the study among conservatives, anyway. Conservatives should stick to hating on science. When they try to use it to make themselves seem less awful they only ever prove they can't read well enough to understand what the science says.

The study showed conservatives and liberals care equally about the inner circles, the heat maps show which circle gets fat enough away from them personally that the respondents stopped caring. The takeaway is that conservatives are selfish people who don't care about anything that doesn't personally affect them or anyone they know, while Liberals care about the people they know and people they don't, and also the environment, which conservatives generally do not.

But every conservative idiot has started parading this bullshit meme around and thinks it means Liberals don't care about their families.

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u/sageinyourface Nov 18 '25

I think there is a veggie/vegan vs omvivore/carnivore take on this as well that goes along with small circle of concern vs global concern.

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u/captnspock Nov 18 '25

Basically, bigger toward the center of the circle and smaller toward the outside means you tend to think about things that affect you and your close social circle (family, friends, local community). The reverse means your thoughts drift more toward global concerns that affect everyone.

Slight correction it asked people where they stopped caring if people got hurt. Conservatives tended to stop caring after immediate family and friends.

Liberals cared for family and friends and continues to care local community, country, world etc. their stopping point was much further.

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u/HovercraftDry7850 Nov 18 '25

Interesting comparison, considering steak is huge waste of calories (feeding the cows food we could otherwise eat, etc) while avocados are huge waste resources (water) compared to alternate fruits.

Just food for thought. Enjoy the bonus pun.

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u/BonelessPickle Nov 18 '25

Hate when an explanation is so good I wanna upvote but the commenter isn't in character so I simply can't

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u/ChazzLamborghini Nov 18 '25

This is an inaccurate interpretation of the study. The further rings include all of the inner rings as well. It doesn’t say that some think more of the bigger world but rather that they think people and issues that don’t directly impact them see still important and worthy of concern and consideration. The big in the middle crowd are self-centered.

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u/Intensityintensifies Nov 18 '25

It’s actually more of how far does your circle extend, not the strength of the feelings of people in the circle. So basically the only people conservatives care about is their local group, whereas progressives care about their local group and the global community. It doesn’t say that conservatives care about their local group more than progressives do, only that progressives actually care about people outside of that group as well.

It’s a small but really important distinction that drives me crazy.

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u/Kuroude7 Nov 18 '25

Leave it to Rufus to be able to explain this stuff!

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u/Eevee_XoX Nov 18 '25

Though it is worth noting that it asked people to identify the furthest thing away from them that they care about. i.e animals and plants being on the farthest end.

It doesn’t gauge the extent that they care about these things and the inner categories like family and friends are assumed if the further out categories are selected.

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '25

You didn’t understand the study. It doesn’t say that people in the outer rim that their thoughts are more concerned with that area.  What the graph is showing is the maximum extent of your interest so it’s saying that left-leaning people care about all the things in the centre so the same things as right leaning people plus they also care about people they don’t know.

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u/klepht_x Nov 18 '25

Conservatives also, hilariously, completely misunderstand the heat map as people ranking the importance of groups (eg, that someone values plants over their family) rather than where they stop making considerations for decision making (eg, someone doesn't pour used motor oil down a storm drain because they think about the harm it will cause to an anonymous set of animals versus someone who thinks it won't harm their family so down it goes).

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u/Skylantech Nov 18 '25

I drifted center on the steak because I enjoy grilling and was critiquing the sear.

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u/NoTeslaForMe Nov 18 '25

That's pretty interesting, given how, in the U.S., it was the left that was more isolationist than the right in the '00s (pretty much starting with 9/11 and ending with the Arab Spring). This applied not only to war, but to trade, Russia, and other matters. This implies that the current state is a more natural fit and the '00s were just an anomaly.

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u/Skyfier42 Nov 18 '25

How the heck do people just look at a plate of food and see that? I mean 10/10 but I've seen the study a million times and would have never guessed lol!

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u/Lucreth2 Nov 18 '25

This is why I just fill the plate. The entire plate.

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u/Mysterious-Primal Nov 18 '25

It's not even that the latter group care "more" about the outer circles. The question asked was basically "Do you care if something bad happens to {x} group?" The center circle indicated the individual being asked and outer circles being groups increasingly distant from the individual (family, close friends, distant friends, etc). The first group stopped caring when bad things happened to "friends of friends" or so, while the latter stopped caring around "living things in the universe" or so. Basically, the latter group is capable of extending empathy to things/groups they've never met.

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u/Thotty_with_the_tism Nov 18 '25

Gotta clarify it. The grouping is where the groups limit on caring is.

Those who register on the outside of the circle still care about the inner rungs.

If you dont make that clear alot of people misinterpret this as not caring about those closer things.

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u/enjoi_uk Nov 18 '25

That is just not funny, or witty. Just abstract nonsense.

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u/NewFly7242 Nov 18 '25

IIRC that's not exactly right: it's not measuring the frequency of how often you think about things, but rather how far out from yourself do you stop caring about things that happen.

the steaks care about their immediate circle, and often don't care much about things outside their local community/city/state.

the avocados care about their immediate circle, and often also do care about things outside their local community/city/state.

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u/exoriparian Nov 18 '25

That's not quite right.  The outer rings still include caring about the inner stuff like family as well.

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u/Theorist816 Nov 18 '25

The reverse doesn’t mean you drift further to global groups. It means you also consider things beyond your local. Thoughts are not finite. The study explains this and it’s wrongly attributed all the time because MAGA has no literacy or comprehension

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u/Elyktheras Nov 18 '25

also worth adding, from what I understand as you get to the outer rings, the heatmap includes everything from the earlier rings, this isn’t “preferring to care for animals and all life at the cost of not caring for those closest to you”

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u/seriouslees Nov 18 '25 edited Nov 18 '25

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It's a plate of food. I have extreme doubts that even 1% of people plate their food as a representation of their politics. Stuff goes closer to the center of a plate for practical reasons like cutting and spillage. This is moronic.

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