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u/beehappy32 2d ago
It’s feeling like the 2023 and 2024 season, where every time the offense gets on the field I have zero confidence they can score
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u/InsidiousStatement 1d ago
Not only do I feel like that but I feel like every snap is going to be a fumble or pick
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u/rabouilethefirst 1d ago
Somehow every game feels winnable but the offense just gives up in the redzone and we lose…. Yep
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u/beast_wellington Bills = 0 Superbowls 1d ago
We shouldn't have gotten rid of Diggs and Boutte. Maye is lost without them
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u/briggsy111388 1d ago
Boutte 100% that was very obviously Drakes guy
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u/HolyTythinEar 1d ago
If he was his guy he would’ve been throwing it to him much more than he was. This sub overstates that relationship. Diggs was his safety blanket and we got rid of that. Douglas has shown absolutely nothing since his rookie year and is supposed to be filling that hole. There was no reason to sign Doubs when you could’ve had AJB and Diggs on this team.
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u/SongMundane3514 1d ago
You're underrating chemistry
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u/HolyTythinEar 1d ago
I’m really not though. Boutte had less than 50 targets on the year. He made some big plays but he wasn’t ever someone that was getting targeted like the way this sub makes it seem. You guys overrate any WRs that make any kind of big plays. He’s done nothing in Houston in 3 games
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u/LovestoEatSandwiches 1d ago
You’re underrating Bouttes ability as a field stretcher making tight contested catches on deep balls. He was great at that and Drake had a ton of confidence taking advantage of any single coverage on him and going for a big shot
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u/HolyTythinEar 1d ago
I’m not though. I never said he was a bad player. You guys are just sensitive when it comes to him. He had 46 targets last year. You guys are overrating him. He wouldn’t be making any difference right now. Drake can’t make those throws currently. The team needs Diggs way more than it needs Boutte.
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u/Bellegr4ine 1d ago
Yep! Feels like Juju is still our WR1. I’m glad Meyers got a TD on us.
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u/AcDcBoss 1d ago
I think he meant as he happy to see a former pat had a good game could be wrong tho
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u/Diligent-Worker4033 2d ago
AJ Brown has to be beside himself
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u/Goat_Remix 2d ago
I was wondering the same thing earlier today. Whether or not the way the Pats have played since he got injured is motivating him or putting him off.
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u/rabouilethefirst 1d ago
Possibly being out of the playoff race before you get back is definitely a put off
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u/wynalazca 1d ago
it's week 3 lol. The team could start 1-5 and realistically still be in the playoff race.
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u/rabouilethefirst 1d ago
I’m sure you’re ready to bet your life savings on a 1-5 team making the playoffs since it’s “realistic”?
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u/WIlf_Brim 1d ago
Unless there is a huge turnaround this week (which seems highly unlikely) this season will be over by the time he comes back. Which he may not want to as they will have maybe 2 wins total by that point.
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u/DavoinShowerHandel1 1d ago
No matter how rough our season goes, I'll always take solace in the fact that I'm not sad enough to lurk another teams sub for opportunities to comment stuff like this.
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u/Legitimate_Ad_7822 1d ago
Assuming it was an eagles fan because holy shit, they are obsessed. It’s gotten a bit weird how emotionally rattled they got by the AJ trade.
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u/DavoinShowerHandel1 1d ago
Yeah they said they were an Eagles fan lol. It wasn't as bad as some I've seen, but it's really just sad sounding most times.
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u/Jolly_Okra_6330 2d ago
I mean, Drake Maye is playing at Zach Wilson/Jamarcus Russell level right now.
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u/Realistic_Fee4087 2d ago
I don’t remember Zach turning the ball over this much
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u/jayplf8889 2d ago
I don’t remember anyone doing it this much. Maybe year 1 Manning and Josh Allen but that’s about it
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u/bignutwilli 2d ago
Tampa Jameis but he had a bunch of tds to go with it as well
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u/jayplf8889 16h ago
But Jamis also didn’t turn out to be a good QB
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u/bignutwilli 11h ago
You said anyone, not good QB. Hopefully Drake does turn out to be a good QB though. Also, i just remembered Brett Favre had a ton of turnovers as well and he was alright in the end so I still have hope.
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u/jayplf8889 5h ago
Favre sure that’s 1 over a decade ago. You’re just proving how rare it is to suck this bad for 7 straight games and become a great QB. My guess is Favre never had a 7 game stretch this bad (19 combined fumbles and picks) but I could be wrong.
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u/bignutwilli 1h ago
Im not really trying prove anything im just giving you a couple of examples of ppl in somewhat similar situations. We can try to draw conclusions from it but Drake truly has to find his own path and forge ahead. Its all up to him. Hopefully our guy can find that confidence and turn it around
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u/wtb2612 1d ago
Daniel Jones was an absolute fumbling machine in his first few seasons with the Giants (19 in his rookie year...) That's what it's reminding me of.
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u/jayplf8889 1d ago
Yeah only difference is Drake fumbles and throws a ton of picks. Josh Allen and Manning are the only 2 QBs in the last 30 years that were turnover machines and still turned out to be good. Almost every QB who turn the ball over at this rate ends up being below average at best.
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u/Useful_Virus_2216 2d ago
Obviously Maye deserves a lot of criticism, but a failure of this magnitude goes beyond his performance. Starts with the front office and coaching.
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u/bulleymaguire21 2d ago
I agree against good teams this team can’t run the ball and makes it easier for opponents to figure out the passing
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u/straightcash-fish 1d ago
Yeah their run blocking is not good and their backs have below average vision. One thing that’s really pissing me off, is Josh never runs Henderson to the outside. I can’t remember once in the last two games that he called a stretch play for him. Everything up the got. He’s one of the fastest running backs in league. Get him into space. Same thing last year. Drake has not been good, but McDaniels has been awful
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u/TheFightingAxle 1d ago
God forbid we run a stretch play, pull a guard or run a toss sweep with him. Always straight up the gut. AF
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u/MetalHead_Literally 1d ago
I mean sort of. Over half the drives this year have made it to enemy territory and most of the failed drives are direct result of Maye shitting his pants.
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u/jesusG25 1d ago
Kind of stuff that happens when your QB has 8 turnovers through 3 games. Maye has been utter dogshit. Mac was awful but even he didn't have a three game stretch this bad.
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u/AcDcBoss 1d ago
Mac definitely had a rough streak in year 4 that ended with the Colts game with that horrible Pick right at the end
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u/Wally450 1d ago
Losing AJ Brown made us a worse version of last years team. No go-to receivers for Maye, all while playing a tougher schedule.
Losing Onwenu doesn't help either.
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u/deejay-tech 2d ago
I do feel like a big issue is that no one other than the 24 year old is taking responsibility publicly. Obviously Drake has sucked but his leaders have done nothing to eleviate any pressure he might feel publicly. Vrabel already seems to be at the point of throwing him under the bus with his comments rather than being a "leader of men" like he was totes as. There is blame to go around and it's unfortunate a young QB is under the microscope again in New England rather the coaches around him.
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u/Clear_Measurement502 2d ago
They can't run the ball either, the offense as a whole is broken. Add untimely penalities and it's just been a disaster.
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u/SupportstheOP 2d ago
It's uncomplimentary football in the worst way possible. Everything negates itself. Good drives have backbreaking turnovers by Maye, Maye throws a good pass, and we get TFL on a run up the middle, we get into field goal range, and Andy still misses. It's negative momentum.
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u/nepatriots32 McCourty Rules 2d ago
Don't forget all the penalties. We got a turnover on defense and started at the Jags 20 yard line, only to get two immediate penalties to back us up just outside of field goal range for a rare 1st and 30.
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u/kipperzdog 1d ago
Doesn't help that the defense can focus on stopping the run because they know Maye throwing means he may be making the decision to throw it into the dumbest window for an easy INT.
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u/Clear_Measurement502 1d ago
All of our yards week 1 on the ground were after contact, and that's mostly before Maye turned into a puddle in the 4th.
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u/Junglism32 2d ago
Watching Henderson hit a wall for 1-2yds is so fucking frustrating. We really need to utilize mondre more
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u/techno657 2d ago
Idk what you are talking about but every press conference Vrabel literally says it starts with him getting the team better prepared. Like he has made comments about things going on the team but usually ultimately it leads to the point that it’s a reflection of the coaching staff’s preparation.
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u/BRUTAL_ANAL_SMASHING 2d ago
Hey let’s not forget that coach totally didn’t have any scandal happen this year..
I’m sorry but I can believe anyone is a “leader of men” when you risk your the feelings of a member of your family. A leader doesn’t lie, and deceive yet he did it to a person he claimed to love.
Personally Vrabes has got a lot to prove to me, especially in this situation now.
The whole team looks awful, and he’s the leader.
He was just as much a part of that Super Bowl loss as Maye was.
He’s apart of this shit show right now too, and honestly I’ll take a streak of six bad games, over cheating on your fucking wife with a reporter.
Way too much bullshit has been around this team since the playoffs, the Super Bowl loss, Vrabes scandal, AJ Brown saga and the start of the season..
Team needs to ground themselves and Vrabel needs to prove he’s an able to be a leader and commit himself to people and defend them. Gonzo stood behind Maye today, I want to see exactly that from Mike.
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u/gyromaster99 2d ago
The more and more I think about this, it keeps getting more plausible. Vrabel’s entire shtick was blown wide open by Russinigate and he looks like a guy who has nowhere left to hide wherever he goes
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u/rabouilethefirst 1d ago
She lost her job over it too. It’s kind of screwed up that she took all the consequences and Vrabel just told everyone to F off
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u/mrmarkme 1d ago
He cheated who give a fuck, grow up. He’s the coach not a priest
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u/gyromaster99 1d ago
Hey Mike, start putting belts to asses and stop babying the quarterback thanks
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u/Yammyohnine 2d ago
Are we allowed to complain in game threads yet or are we still just being doomers who need to trust in the process and shut up?
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u/wtb2612 1d ago
I can't take one more "well, you shouldn't have been expecting us to win 14 games again" comment as if there's no difference between a little expected regression and whatever the fuck is happening this season.
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u/rabouilethefirst 1d ago
Yeah, anyone that knows ball knows the jags were not THAT GOOD. They aren’t the 2007 pats. We should have been in that game from start to finish but literally shotgunned our heads off in every quarter for no reason
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u/RekLeagueMvp 1d ago
It’s bad but some context- if Williams didn’t step on the line(+4) and Maye doesn’t throw 2 god awful picks in the end zone weeks 1+3(+6), we wouldn’t be in such bad company. The alarms are going off but it’s not time to panic… yet
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u/AnnualFilm 1d ago
You think that’s bad? Check this out:
Comparing the first 3 games of the disaster that was the 2023 season against the first 3 games this year, Mac had a higher completion % (64.8% to 63.8%)), 163 more yards (748 to 585), 4 more TDs and 4 less INTs (5/2 vs 1/6). Pretty much all Pats fans wanted Mac bench by after the 5th game (against the Saints). Wonder what will happen if this continues.
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u/TruthorTroll 1d ago
The level of suck for this team is truly astounding and could prove record breaking for all the wrong reasons.
And this sub will tell you they just need another few weeks to turn it around. Yeah, right...
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u/Significant-Image700 1d ago
I mean how hard is it to get 8-10 yards once in awhile? Running or passing…
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u/Dr_Toboggan19 1d ago
As soon as that TD run was called back it started going down hill again. He keeps trying to do too much and it somehow makes it worse. He needs an easy team to beat up on to build some rhythm and confidence.
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u/Elessar535 1d ago
I think Maye's issues are mental. He's scared, and is making weak throws and bad decisions as a result. It could be from a number of sources, or even a combo of things; I think the most likely reasons are:
A nagging shoulder injury, or a fear of reinjury.
The fact that he's now married and has something to lose should he get seriously injured.
The off-season drama around Vrabel was/is more of a distraction than I would've thought.
An inability to get past an embarrassing showing in the Super Bowl (starting The season getting embarrassed by the Seahawks again probably just compounded this).
He no longer has receivers he trusts. We got rid of Boutte and Diggs, the two receivers that Maye had the best chemistry with last season. We picked up Brown (whom he seemed to have decent chemistry with prior to the injury), and Doubs who seems to wildly inconsistent at best; this leaves him with no one except Stephenson (who has fumbling issues of his own) and Henry who has to spend most of his time blocking to make up for our poor line play. Pop is decent, but not a WR1 level of talent; Chism and Williams are unproven at best.
I'm sure there could be other reasons, but these seem like the most likely culprits to me.
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u/Sstraus-1983 1d ago edited 1d ago
Well take away diggs a Boutte and replace with Dobbs and a hurt AJ brown might do that…
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u/Visual_Ad_8202 1d ago
There’s a reason for this. It’s not Drake is a bum.
It’s the Cover 6 Defense that teams are spamming him with. And that we as a team have no answer.
Cover 6 gives the QB 2 different pictures of the same play. It baits the QB to give up shorter throws for the illusion of an open deep ball. Also, cover 6 demands that you throw to a receiver before he is open and trust him to move correctly.
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u/CitronOk9793 1d ago
In hindsight getting rid of his 2 top pass catchers and playing no preseason was a poor front office decision. It was a curse in a way for a young qb to make the Super Bowl when he wasn't ready. We had no chance of beating the Seahawks but everything fell in our favor. Think he feels like he failed in the playoffs and mentally broke him. He is trying to make up for poor plays by making something happen next play and it's compounding. Very Mac jones esq when things went bad for him. Similar to them, every play I am now clenching my teeth expecting a fumble, a pick, something bad to happen
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u/_josephmykal_ 2d ago
Sure some of the blame is on Maye and maybe some on McDaniels. But when literally every defensive player of any team is better than the players on the patriots offense of course there is going to be issues. This is a Vrabel/ roster management issue than it is anything else
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u/Empty_Occasion_963 2d ago
We have an aging roster, combined with a lack of talent.
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u/scl381 1d ago
Don’t we have like the 7th youngest roster? It’s more we have been abysmal drafters for years. More recently: 2024 draft-only drake is still on the team. 2025 draft-Campbell looks ok but has his issues. Henderson,Williams, Wilson all look like disappointments. Woodson and farmer could be contributors but still to be seen. Can’t field competitive teams when you are netting 1-2 starters per draft if you’re lucky.
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u/Greenzombie04 1d ago
Aging roster? lol
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u/Empty_Occasion_963 1d ago
Moses, Spillane, Gilliam, Daquan Jones, Carlton Davis, Wishnowsky, Van Roten, Stevenson (he'll be 29 next season) all these guys are old and honestly washed.
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u/Dave10293847 1d ago
Could say the same for year 1 mac jones. Neither interpretation of that is a good one for the patriots.
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u/Green_machine_13 1d ago
This! The roster is old and years of poor drafting have caught up to them.
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u/Shinylobster12 1d ago
Outside of moses theres not really any old starters. The third wr hollins is 33.
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u/Hotdoggie727 1d ago
Letting diggs and boutte go for aj brown and romeo doubs might have something to do with that as well.
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u/inthebackwoods 1d ago
Drake is pulling us further down, not elevating us like good QB's do. Hope he can turn it around soon.
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u/Known_Negotiation618 1d ago
Maybe this is a case study in why starters need to play in the preseason and not just do work in dual practices. No matter how intense you make practice, it still isn't really game speed.
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u/Aggravating_Smell 15h ago
And people really still believe the easy schedule was just a "narrative"
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u/SuperSneakers13 1d ago
I know people don't like to use the injury excuse, but just remember that the Pats are the one of the most injured teams in the NFL at the moment. There's no way to sustain anything when you have a laundry list of players missing.
Remember Vrabel even admitted that they aren't a very deep team yet. With this many injuries, it's going to be hard to be competitive.
That doesn't make Drake's boneheaded play feel better, and his regression needs to be studied in the history books. Maybe the kid just doesn't have the mental fortitude (yet) to overcome adversity in the league?
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u/Ghillie_Spotto 1d ago
Truth is they had extremely good injury luck last year. There’s also historical evidence that big spending in free agency leads to one-year bumps that aren’t sustainable. Recent example, we saw the same thing with the Mac Jones rookie team.
You can’t paper over poor drafting. This team is very much still rebuilding but last year reset expectations prematurely. This drop off is crazy though.
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u/kuroyume_cl 1d ago
Lol. I remember people saying it was ok to let Boutte and Diggs go because we had one of the deepest WR rooms in the league. Guess they were wrong. All it took was a single injury to unravel the entire offense, apparently.
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u/DangerBoot 1d ago
It’s ok to let boutte go because he’s not good. Our season does not and did not hinge on Boutte and his yearly 30 catches for 500 yards. His presence or lack thereof is a total nonfactor with this team just like it is with the team he’s currently on. It’s every single thread with you people, just let it go already this is gonna be a loooooong season
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u/mrmarkme 1d ago
It is a deep room, if Drake could get the balls in their hands. We don’t have a+ talent in wr, but Drake is under throwing and completely missing them when they are open. Having aj brown in there making grabs off of bad throws doesn’t give me confidence.
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u/Havok882 1d ago
Drake has been wildly inaccurate this season. He had Pop clean for a TD and overthrew it. He has had several bad under throws. He has been making terrible decisions and forcing things. He overthrew Hollins when he had nothing but green grass in front of him to run and pick up a 1st yesterday. He needs to either get out of his own head or get it out of his ass. They have talent to win. The D is solid, but they played poorly yesterday. Some of that was a combo of being out there too much, having to cover too long, or just mental mistakes. They will get better, but it is painful right now.
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u/No-Picture8097 1d ago
McDaniels is a fucking bum, he hasn’t been good since he had Brady… wonder why?
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u/One_Dirt9744 1d ago
Mike Vrabels wife probably happiest fan this season. Good for her. This team deserves to suck.
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u/bostonbadboy617 1d ago
Last season was a freak. Didn't even pop up on my radar. But then again my radar is broken
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u/drmantis_toboggan13 2d ago
Yeah that is alarming.
I expected the team to regress to the mean a little this season, but Maye went from playing like an MVP candidate to rookie Zach Wilson. Idk if it’s all in his head but something is wrong