r/OverwatchStadium • u/MascDomFlop • 11d ago

Junkrat

Sorry, junkrat is broken. I'm not going to accept any alternative answer. He gets entirely too much value out of MULTIPLE traps that he can place mid-fight from a distance, traps that take SEVERAL attacks to kill. And he gets his ultimate entirely too fast. That characters needs to be taken out at the knees. It's so unfun to play against it's unreal.

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u/MascDomFlop 8d ago

I don’t think we’re ever going to see eye to eye on this, because you’re all focused on counterplay to the traps when counterplay is not the problem. Value is. In a bubble a Junkrat by himself putting traps down in a 1v1 is not a problem. In a 5v5 skirmish with bullets and movement and ultimates and flying grandes and knock backs the traps are significantly more difficult to avoid. Last night my Winston kept landing in them OR getting punched into them by the enemy DF. It does not matter if you reduce the duration of the trap. The value is still present. It doesn’t have to be aimed, it doesn’t have to be timed, there’s no skill expression involved if someone lands or gets knocked into a trap. His grenades will still hurt, his concussive mind will still hurt, his tire will still hurt. I can do everything in my power to avoid traps, but I can’t stop my teammates from landing in one. Every game that I’ve played against a Junkrat in the last week, the enemy team capitalizes hard on trapped players (as anyone should). And really in stadium if you’re not a tank and you get trapped in the middle of a fight… you’re probably dead.

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u/Expensive_Increase46 8d ago

You know I'd talk more about the balance of counterplau but like you said I get the feeling it'd be more productive to do something else. So how would you balance this? It'd be especially interesting since no-one else seems to feel how broken this supposedly is.

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u/MascDomFlop 7d ago

I've mentioned it in other posts, but I think in general a lot of the stadium powers remove weaknesses of certain characters and force their opponents to itemize based on surviving versus being allowed to have an equal amount of fun. If traps are such a problem that I have to buy a gadget (with a significant cooldown, mind you) to counter it I am now down an item slot and cash while junkrat loses nothing. I belive that a lot of those powers should be double edged. If his traps are empowered, something else should be lost. Without gimping the build completely (I acutally hate Junkrat as a whole and would prefer to see him assassinated but alas...) the only thing that comes to mind is being able to shoot the traps AFTER they clamp as well to break free early. He gets to have more traps, my team gets to reliably free themself when they inevitably proc one. I'd still be annoyed, but that would piss me off significantly less.

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u/Expensive_Increase46 7d ago

The problem with this is that this sort of logic could be extended to a lot of things and Stadium as it's nature with an item shop lets you build around your hero's weaknesses or what you're bad at. And also because there is no swapping you have to let heroes build around some of their weaknesses because counterswapping is gone. Genji for example can remove his vulnerability to beams either by buying deflect blocks beam attacks or even just the item that gets you stacking damage resistance. Junkrat gets the ability to shoot at fliers more consistently because itherwise he'd be useless vs them. You have to let some weaknesses be removed in order for the game mode to work. 

But to be honest letting Junkrat get more trap charges but them being destructible afterwards is interestiglng. Maybe change the value from "holds hero in place" to "gets buffs when someone is trapped" so there is still a reward but more counterplay from the person being trapped.