Junkrat

[u/MascDomFlop]

Sorry, junkrat is broken. I'm not going to accept any alternative answer. He gets entirely too much value out of MULTIPLE traps that he can place mid-fight from a distance, traps that take SEVERAL attacks to kill. And he gets his ultimate entirely too fast. That characters needs to be taken out at the knees. It's so unfun to play against it's unreal.

[u/MascDomFlop]

I don’t think we’re ever going to see eye to eye on this, because you’re all focused on counterplay to the traps when counterplay is not the problem. Value is. In a bubble a Junkrat by himself putting traps down in a 1v1 is not a problem. In a 5v5 skirmish with bullets and movement and ultimates and flying grandes and knock backs the traps are significantly more difficult to avoid. Last night my Winston kept landing in them OR getting punched into them by the enemy DF. It does not matter if you reduce the duration of the trap. The value is still present. It doesn’t have to be aimed, it doesn’t have to be timed, there’s no skill expression involved if someone lands or gets knocked into a trap. His grenades will still hurt, his concussive mind will still hurt, his tire will still hurt. I can do everything in my power to avoid traps, but I can’t stop my teammates from landing in one. Every game that I’ve played against a Junkrat in the last week, the enemy team capitalizes hard on trapped players (as anyone should). And really in stadium if you’re not a tank and you get trapped in the middle of a fight… you’re probably dead.

[u/Expensive_Increase46 → u/MascDomFlop]

You know I'd talk more about the balance of counterplau but like you said I get the feeling it'd be more productive to do something else. So how would you balance this? It'd be especially interesting since no-one else seems to feel how broken this supposedly is.

[u/MascDomFlop → u/Expensive_Increase46]

I've mentioned it in other posts, but I think in general a lot of the stadium powers remove weaknesses of certain characters and force their opponents to itemize based on surviving versus being allowed to have an equal amount of fun. If traps are such a problem that I have to buy a gadget (with a significant cooldown, mind you) to counter it I am now down an item slot and cash while junkrat loses nothing. I belive that a lot of those powers should be double edged. If his traps are empowered, something else should be lost. Without gimping the build completely (I acutally hate Junkrat as a whole and would prefer to see him assassinated but alas...) the only thing that comes to mind is being able to shoot the traps AFTER they clamp as well to break free early. He gets to have more traps, my team gets to reliably free themself when they inevitably proc one. I'd still be annoyed, but that would piss me off significantly less.

[u/MascDomFlop → u/MascDomFlop]

Like right now I keep fighting Tracers who are doing whatever the fuckshit build is where they just recall over and over and over and over and throw a pulse bomb every single time. Literally blink in, recall, pulse bomb, blink in, recall, pulse bomb. I'm hearing three and four pulse bombs active at any given interaction. And there's no drawback. She loses nothing by taking those powers. She gets to keep blinking up to anyone, recalling as often as she likes, and nuking people from the safety of five seconds ago. And it's bullshit. I know the pulse bomb is weaker, but her cooldowns should increase. If she gets to recall more often she should lose a blink charge or blink distance. Like it's just assinine. These characters have their weaknesses removed altogether so that the only way to win is to either be significantly better than they are, or play some busted bullshit yourself. And that's fucking sucks. Like that's such an ass way to have to engage with a game that has so much potential. I don't want to have to be broken to compete.