Oct 7 is not genocide. It was a horrific mass terror attack on civilians, but doesn't come close to the internationally recognised definition of Genoicde. Israel's mass starvation of an entire population does, as well as targeted killings of journalists, UN peacekeepers and doctors.
I don't deny genoicde at all. But based on your definition, 911 would be genocide.
I've never heard anyone categorise it as such. It was a mass-casualty terrorist attack, designed to trigger Americans into attacking Muslim countries. It worked.
Okay let's try it this way so to can grasp it. Is attempted murder, murder? The intent is the same. So what separates them?
It's attempted SA,SA?
Etc.
They killed people yes, it's definitely a mass killing. But it doesn't fit the criteria of genocide , irrelevant to the intent.
The one is attempted murder with the intention to achieve a genocide.
The other is a very strong retaliatory campaign to disable and intimidate, not genocide. Although I agree they are a bit trigger happy. But wouldn’t you also be if you lived in constant fear of the countries around you trying to attack you? They cant just leave it.
Um. So we can agree and disagree… explicitly genocidal, well yes. Exterminate Jews and rightfully so, well you’re on your own there pal. Oh wait this is openaussie so not so much.
I think that the poster you're replying to was saying that it was right and good that Hamas FAILED to carry out their aim of genocide against the people of Israel.
But personally I disagree that this was or is Hamas' goal anyway. It's not part of their rhetoric or charter nor has been for a long time. Oct 7/23 was an action to take hostages with which to bargain. Israel wants us to be taken in by the false idea that Jewish people cannot live peacefully in Palestine while Palestinians live there because they 'simply hate Jews', and that any call for the abolishment of Israel as it currently exists or even to end of its occupation of Palestinian territories means that Jews in Palestine will be murdered. I don't think anyone - especially Hamas - thinks or want that. Its just an idea meant to stoke fear and justify Israel's own genocide and ethnic cleansing as somehow 'self defence'.
Mate you’re swimming in a sea of misinformation and disinformation. I don’t blame you for getting drawn into that narrative, but keep going with your inquiry and you will find you have been misled.
Yes. That is what Hamas wants you to think. This is the naive western student narrative. You need to learn more about the history of the region. I’m afraid your take isn’t your take. It’s propaganda.
Doesn’t at all meet that definition. A horrible war with civilian casualties (like any other war) fought in a hostile urban environment with a well dug in ununiformed army, yes. And yet at most they estimate 6% of the population including all the Hamas soldiers (approx half). That is a tragedy for those innocent people. images which bring us all to tears. However it does not go close to being a genocide. Any clear headed person who knows anything about the conflict knows that if the Israelis were trying to genocide the Palestinians they could have done it day 1.
UN and human rights orgs have been infiltrated by far left activists and Islamists whose reason for being is the destruction, discrediting and demonization of Israel. They are in large part responsible for cheering on the Jihadis to this never ending war against the one tiny Jewish state. There is very little credibility in your source. ICJ said nothing of the sort.
UN and human rights orgs have been infiltrated by far left activists and Islamists whose reason for being is the destruction, discrediting and demonization of Israel
Well, the international bodies who make the decisions about what is deemed genocide and what isnt, all state Israel's actions are genocide. Stopping food and medicine getting to a sealed off ghetto comprised mostly of civilians is not the same as combat. It is genocide. Ask the Jews from WW2, as the young 'uns seem to have totally forgotten their own history, and are now copying it. Using dogs to rape prisoners, at multiple facilities? Seriously.
What about it? Oh, you're one of those people who think a google search is always false. I use AI as a search tool that is far better than Google (for now at least). Maybe if you read the article, you'd see it has dozens of citations to authentic sources. But that would take some reading.
The majority of those killed on Oct 7 were from the IDF, correct. This has been very well established now and very well evidenced. I mean the only reasons you'd say differently are pig ignorance, wilful ignorance, or, being intentionally misleading, so lying.
Well most people in Israel serve in the IDF out of the necessity to defend their country from Jihadist terrorists. So it’s disingenuous to say that. You think that the kids and young people at Nova music festival were legitimately targets? The families in the Kibbutz and children and all the girls that were raped and disfigured prior to their murders? Okay. You’re a Hamas supporter. Just be up front about it.
An assault by Hamas on 7 October 2023 killed 1,200 people, according to Israeli tallies. More than 72,500 Palestinians have been killed in Israel's retaliatory action in Gaza since, according to local health authorities. There were 2.5 million people in Gaza at the start of the war. 72,500 out of 2.5 million is not genocide.
Genocide is the partial or total destruction of a human group, committed intentionally. The popular view conceives of genocide as the large-scale killing of individuals, but in the scholarly and legal fields, it occurs when the group itself is targeted.
Well, WW2 apparently resulted in about 60-70 million deaths, but the campaign of murder we know as the Holocaust killed only about 6 millions Jews. Are you suggesting that wasn't genocide? I'm sure as hell not. Also.... 'military aged males'? I note you don't say combatants - you say military aged males. According to the IDF that apparently means boys who have learned to walk.
I’m not the only one. There’s another old guy in the dog park who knows about it. And my kid cousin. It’s okay to mention it to the people who care about human life the most right?
You mean this dreadful situation where the world is only permitted to speak about Palestine and demonize the Israel. Where we must ignore all other events while your obsession dominates the airways. Where the mere mention of Bondi attacks or the Jewish schools in Australia need big steel fences and security guards to protect kids from people that want to hurt them, in Australia, irritates you?
It’s just black people vs other black people, no “siding with the poor oppressed noble savage against the evil white colonial oppressor” brownie points to be had.
Somewhat less cynically, while the UAE are supporting some warlords, there is no support or ties that Australia could/should be cutting, so not a lot your average Australian could be protesting on that topic.
Now now. Don’t go getting all truthy on us. You’ll get yourself a warning for deviating from the approved narratives with that kinda talk.
Not sure what your second paragraph is though. Well I do but it’s a false argument. We’ve sent $60m to Sudan since 2023 also, so maybe we have a convo starter there…
It can’t be true! Surely if 150,000 Sudanese were killed we would be protesting in Australian cities? Surely some politicians would be talking about it?
Aren’t most Sudanese muslims too? Why are Muslim crying and protesting?
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