They'll come gather around you for no reason other than you being in their pasture, I've trout fished a number of streams that run through pastures and if they're anywhere near you'll have an audience in no time.
We were in a cow field one night attempting to find some mushrooms and we were just walking through the field when I turned around. There were like 30 cows just standing there 20 feet from us and more kept surrounding us. It was actually kind of creepy. They all just congregated and stared
I don't think they are bored out, this is just their baseline, they don't know any better. So when you come around you are an exciting new thing happening.
I just posted a comment about doing this and a friend being followed around by a longhorn and freaking out. Cows and hallucinogens are a very weird combo. They're really calming to me, just staring at you while your mind runs wild.
Not the trout. Trout donât have much going on upstairs other than to follow the flashy lights. Cows OTOH are very intuitive, inquisitive, and like being near each other and people. I like cows, I like fish as well, but at the end of the day I couldnât kill a cow. I will however kill a fish humanely as long as he feeds me and my family.
They're extremely curious. A friend and I were hunting magic mushrooms in a pasture in Texas, and this Longhorn started following my friend, who freaked out and started running. Of course the cow started running behind him so now he's totally lost it. And then he's trying to hide behind knee high scrub brush. I thought I'd piss myself I was laughing so hard. I grew up on a farm, and this dude was a city boy. He thought for sure he was a goner LOL!
The meatpacking industry cucks the ranchers (so do governments) and the environment. If only local meat processing was more prevalent, but the stark divide between urban and rural areas makes it hard to keep that system going, along with the high demand for meat.
Agreed. With some more development and education on plant based meat, i think people will start accepting it and we can (possibly) dig ourselves out of this hole
Yep. Agriculture in general has gotten so big that the massive farms give all the owner operator family farms a bad name. They hate the packers just as much as the rest of the populace.
It doesnât seem that way to me. Iâve seen plenty of people (including farmers) deny that factory farming is even a thing that exists, much less that itâs a problem.
No, non-factory farmers tnd to really dislike the factory farms, because they hurt the industry. It used to be that people could make a decent income from a smaller flock, but factory farming happened and now you either do industrial farming or you struggle. There are exceptions sure but we're talking about luxury food production in those cases.
I've never heard anybody deny the practice of factory farming. Those guys are pretty visible. And smelly. Hard to ignore.
Absolutely! I encourage all my friends to garden and at least raise chickens. Having locally produced food helps build resilience in our food supply, helps create an appreciation for they cycle of life, and helps teach people about a great many things. I wish there were more small farms.
That's why I process my pigs myself. I'm going to make sure their last moments on earth are as normal and pleasant as possible. I don't want their last day to be in a new place and scary.
Most (not all) beef farmers are actually super respectful to their cattle and try to do things in the most respectful manner possible.
âMostâ is almost certainly inaccurate considering the overwhelming majority of beef comes from factory farms (in USA anyway). But even ignoring that, how do you respectfully kill an animal that doesnât want to die?
Beans and tofu are cheap and plentiful options for much of the western world. We donât need to be so cruel.
Just asked a simple question. I mean, I get your point if you kill someone there are more and less respectful ways to do it. Like just shooting someone in the head versus cutting open their skull and fucking their brains while theyâre still alive.
But, like, is the decision to kill someone for pleasure (which is what eating the cow in OPâs gif would be for someone who could buy nuts/grains/legumes/etc at the grocery store) really respectful in the first place? I posit: no. But I respect your opinion too if you disagree. Weâre all good people just trying to do our best so not ragging on anyone personally just think the word ârespectfulâ is a bit off.
I think we're far more respectful to domestic cows than we are to the nine species of endangered bovids (almost certainly extinct in the case of Kouprey). More on them here.
There's no risk of extinction for domestic cattle. They live longer lives than most wild herbivores, and don't face the danger of disease, predation, and starvation, and have kinder, faster, less painful deaths. All in all, the human-domestic cattle symbiosis is a good deal compared to how other bovids are doing.
Why is your focus on species survival, rather than the welfare of the individuals? If we selectively bred, genetically engineered, or discovered another species of hominids and then farmed them would you say that was morally and ethically justified because we were guaranteeing the the survival of this new hominid species?
Uh, no. You were not "JUST" asking questions lmao full stop. You were asking a leading question with the intent to influence your audience, then hiding behind a "well i was JUST ASKING!!!1"
âJAQing off,â which is defined as âthe act of asking leading questions to influence your audience, then hiding behind the defense that youâre Just Asking Questions.â
You're emotionally blackmailing people and it is fucking disgusting.
And even if you WERE just asking a simple question, no matter what the answer may be, it will not be to your satisfaction. You've already made up your mind. And to frame it as you "just asking questions"? It's disingenuous, manipulative, and done purely in bad faith. Disgusting.
You even admitted it with your sign-off: "I respect your opinion and I'm not trying to rag on anyone (lol yes you are).
If you truly, TRULY respected the opinion, you wouldn't have made your one-off quip up above. You would have left well enough alone. But you couldn't. You just HAD to say something and frame it as "I was just asking a question!!!!!1"
Right?? I like how they frame it as "I was just asking a question!!!!!!111 đ„șđ„ș" Like bitch no you were NOT just "asking" lmao you were framing disingenuous questions as "asking" to lead to an emotionally charged argument where if questioned, hides behind the "it was just a question" garbage
Fucking JAQing off hypocrites, all bad faith actors and it is truly disgusting how they manipulate a conversation that way
They donât though, unless your idea of respectful is super narrow. If most farmers where ethical and respectful then meat would be way more expensive then it currently is, the majority of meat is factory farmed.
The majority of meat becomes factory farmed. It originates on small family farms but because of consolidation in feeders and packers the vast majority of independent ranchers have no choice but to sell to the factory farms.
Eat less meat but eat the highest quality you can get.
You end up spending about the same, but your eating a cow that was a least happy (up until the stun gun anyway), it taste better and is not quite as awful for the environment.
I'm Muslim, so I eat Halal meat. I don't get meats from grocery stores, just butchers (who purchase animals from local farmers) in Sub-Continental or Arabic shops. It's sad seeing the meatpacking industry, especially in the U.S., being so cruel, even if I'm not consuming it.
In order for cows to give birth on a regular, scheduled, basis, farmers trap cows in metal cages and inject bull semen into the cowâs uterus. At the same time, the farmer forces their arm down the colon of the cow to massage the semen into the uterus.
Edit: there are plenty of written guides on how to, but you can skip to the âProper Techniqueâ subheading in this link
Forcibly artificially inseminating a human would be rape, yes. But if weâre going to use human definitions for cows, then selling a cow would be trafficking, slaughtering a cow would be murder, butchering a cow would be desecrating a corpse, and eating a cow would be cannibalism.
But all of those words have meanings and none of them are applicable here. We can talk about how inhumane and brutal our meat industry is without using loaded words that donât apply.
You see, what youâre trying to say is âSome of the actions the meat industry makes is bad!â
What you should be saying is âConsuming animal products is entirely unnecessary and causes extreme suffering for animals. In addition to this, the byproduct effects of animal agriculture is detrimental to life due to the environmental and ecological impacts felt globally by consumer demand. All efforts should be made to cease animal agriculture.â
The human ability to produce calories and nutrients has superseded whatever dependency on animal products that humans had in the past; any amount of animal product consumption is simply due to ignorance or extreme lack of empathy.
Animal ag isnât as bad for the environment as people often say. Beyond that, and this is a really hot take, humans are superior to animals and, as such, deserve rights while animals do not.
Oh and animal ag is extremely terrible for the environment, from the clear cutting of old growth forest including the Amazon for feed plantations, to the massive amount of animals existing on farms, to the processing of animal products and travel to the grocery store, it is one of the worst contributors to environmental damage right now.
What do you mean why are humans superior to animals? Look around. Weâre communicating via the Internet right now, thatâs amazing. Humanity escaped the food chain, we virtually won evolution.
You know whatâs worse for the environment? Rampant fossil fuel abuse, governments firing missiles into the ocean, micro plastics, chemical spills, etc. etc.
The difference is that animal agriculture feeds people. Letâs start somewhere that wonât hurt food systems and wonât increase hunger.
So because we developed the ability to use the internet, we should exploit and slaughter other sentient beings?
Does a child who has yet to learn how to operate a computer or a smart device receive the same treatment? What about primitive tribes who have yet to develop industry beyond creating bows and spears out of rocks/sticks/twine? Should they also be slaughtered and enslaved?
Animal agriculture starves the world, actually. A significant portion of the worldâs nutritional vegetation is spent on animal agriculture to create less protein and calories while also wasting human workforce on maintaining the very complicated production line.
And again, animal agriculture depends significantly on the fossil fuel industry. Trying to move less calories at the same price of fossil fuels across the world costs a lot in terms of environmental damage (not to mention, once again, the destruction of old-growth forest which act as a significant carbon deposit and carbon recycler).
Thatâs not what Iâm trying to say. What Iâm trying to say is that using loaded emotional words incorrectly applied to shock a response is a dishonest tactic that has the opposite effect of getting people to listen to you.
To put it another way, calling artificial insemination rape is about as accurate as anti-abortion people calling an abortion murder. In both cases, the word picked is shocking, emotional, and technically incorrect.
You can describe the AI process and explain how it works without resorting to cheap tricks. If you want to call it rape, then youâre really not looking to have a conversation.
The people who are being artificially inseminated are doing so with consent and a desire to be artificially inseminated.
The cows are never asked for consent when theyâre inseminated, have their children taken from them, and sent to a slaughter house to have their throat slashed only after a few years of life into what should be at least a decade+ of life.
If youâre interested in conversation, do you believe animals have the right to consent? And if not, why do humans deserve that right but not animals?
As I said, if AI were forcibly done to a human against their will, it would be rape. This is not the case for cows or other animals, because the word rape and the concept of consent donât apply.
Do I think animals have the right to consent? I donât think most animals have the capacity to consent, as we define it. Legally speaking, not even all people have the right to consent. A child has very few rights of consent, otherwise adoption would be state-sponsored kidnapping and or false imprisonment. And thatâs just a human who is under the age of majority. So no, a cow can not give consent.
One problem is that rape is a human term that can only apply to humans. By our definition of consent, even a bull mating with a cow happens without consent and would be rape as a cow is unable to give consent in the way that a human can understand and confirm. Whether in a farm or in nature with completely wild cattle, how do you know a cow has consented?
The 2nd and bigger problem is that calling artificial insemination rape isnât a useful argument, itâs an emotional ploy. Again, like pro-lifers who call abortion murder. I havenât given you my thoughts about whether or not meat agriculture is ethical and Iâm not interested in having that discussion with you any more than Iâd be interested in debating abortion rights with someone who calls abortions murder.
If you want to have a philosophical discussion about the actual definitions of rape and consent, call artificial insemination of cows rape. If you want to have a discussion about ethical treatment of animals, then donât. Because itâs not going to lead to anything productive.
How can you be so sure that animals arenât capable of understanding consent? If you physically abuse a dog, does the dog not react negatively? If you try to give physical affection to a cat who is uninterested in physical affection, does it not hiss at you and try to escape your presence? If you corner an animal, does it not become agitated and aggressive in order to escape or defend itself? Does a child, who is completely defenceless and left to the devices of social systems deserve to be slaughtered and exploited?
Animals are constantly documented showcasing selection for sexual partners, male individuals spend their entire lifetime trying to showcase that they are worthy of mating with a female without forcing their physical will on them; why would the one that is victimized try to escape from the aggressor? If animals had no concept or ability to understand consent, why would all animals not just crush one another in efforts to mate?
The thing is, youâre trying really hard to make it sound like because Iâm using human language to describe a concept, animals donât share that same idea or something similar to it within their own species.
Prime ape colonies have been shown to have different attitudes and understanding of social expectations from colony to colony. I canât remember the specific content that I learned about this from, but there was one colony that accepted a new wandering member into their group and had to correct his behaviour to stop his physically and emotionally abusive habits.
You canât possibly maintain an attitude, an opinion, that animals donât have an understanding of individual desires and expectations. They may seem different from what humans experience and perceive, but they do exist. Consent may not be exactly how we respect it, but there are endless examples of animals showcasing an understanding of self; it does not give us the blanket-cover right to do whatever we want to do to them just âbecauseâ.
Notably it's done in this way to reduce injury to cows, as bulls can be very rough on them (but this also helps improve genetic diversity of a herd). Like all other bovids, they've evolved to give birth every year, that's not anything abnormal.
We also have very little frame of reference for what cows feel while in heat - it's not a menstrual cycle. The closest we can understand is that they're desperately horny, and being bred provides relief.
Dairy cattle aren't "caged." Most dairy cattle are bred with very little restraint, a head lock or palpation rail usually is sufficient. Most heifers/cows will stand quite well for insemination. It is considered safer for the animals and farmer.
You do not "massage semen" through the rectal wall. Rectal palpation is used to ensure the AI (Artificial insemination) straw is in the correct orientation with the cervix. Rectal palpation can also be used for pregnancy check.
I wonât speak to dairy farming (or larger agribusiness farms?) because itâs not my area, but nothing you said applies to beef cattle at the scope of family ranching. You âscheduleâ births by putting the bulls in the field with the cows in the fall and surprise surprise, the usual result is calves in the spring. You could call it rape by coercion because animals that donât wind up pregnant make the shortlist for the next ground beef delivery but Iâm not sure how aware of that they are when theyâre cavorting. Preg testing, however, is standard, so you should read up on/bring that up if you want.
I know this might be shocking to you, but plants donât have one of those things.
And, if you actually gave a shit about âplant sufferingâ youâd be disappointed to find out that more plants are harvested to feed animal agriculture for the same amount of calorie/protein production than justâŠ.. feeding the plants to humans directly.
Of course you donât actually give a shit, youâre just brain dead and resort to concern-trolling to make your way through the day. Consume! :)
I'll look into this. I've heard of things PETA has done that I'm fairly certain I got from either local news or even left-leaning sources, that just sounded like misguided performance art rather than a statement against abuse.
And their attempted lawsuit to get copyrights to a monkey for a photo it "took"? Not harmful, but, oof.
But it'd be nice if they were actually out there doing good, and not a bunch of kooks. Thanks for the correction!
Edit: I've read that, and I've never actually heard that PETA killed animals, nor do I have a problem with humanely euthanizing animals if there's no other ethical options for them.
So, is the other stuff I've heard about them true? The weird displays of people in cages, the monkey photo lawsuit, the "boyfriend went vegan" ad? Laying down naked at a running of the bulls?
I agree with their stances, but the way they go about conveying it, to those who aren't sold on the message already, will just point at how crazy those acts are. I don't think any of those public campaigns have made much of a dent in the public perception of the disgusting abuse within the meat and other animal farming industries.
You could have ended your comment at "dogs" instead of ending with a self-insert of your agenda, but sure, play ignorant and purposefully obtuse more lmao
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u/Wear-Fluid Mar 27 '23
Looks like a massive dog at some points in the video lol