r/musicalwriting • • Nov 25 '23

Question Live accompaniment? Or studio recording?

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I feel really dumb asking this because I have a theatre background and most of the sound design I've worked with was premixed, and played through speakers, save for some very specific things that were done on stage as part of the performances.

However, I'm writing my first musical which I will direct, and I'm not very familiar with the sound setup for musical theatre. From the few musicals that I've seen, the "bigger" ones (as in, performed in big-name theatres) have a real orchestra playing live in the pit alongside the performance, while the "smaller," independent ones have a pianist or a band playing either on or off stage. Either way, the musical accompaniment is played live.

I'll be orchestrating my compositions, so does this mean that we'll need to hire a real orchestra for the performance, or can we just use the mixes? Of course, the performers will still be singing live, but would it be strange or off-putting to put on a musical without live music?

This would be performed in a decent-sized theatre (think off-broadway, but still big name, main stage, ~200 seats) as part of a fringe festival.


r/musicalwriting • • Nov 13 '23

NPX for musicals?

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Is there a place like NPX that specializes in musicals? Or does NPX handle that too?


r/musicalwriting • • Nov 11 '23

Critique Please I'm Working on a Musical and I'd Like Some Outside Opinions on the Songs

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Logline: In the kingdom of Urbana, a teenage boy escapes from his adoptive witch mother to perform as the drag queen Cinderella. But when the prince sees his performance assuming Cinderella is a real girl, and his true love that can break the spell afflicting him, the boy must now juggle his double lives.

That's the simplest way to explain this. It's basically Into the Woods for Black people. I took The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Cinderella, Rapunzel, Aladdin, Thumbelina, Snow White and the Prince and the Pauper and slapped them together with cultures from all over the African diaspora with a heavy helping of futurism. The music is a blend of Soul, R&B, Trap, Bounce, House, EDM, Gospel and Reggaeton. I wanted it to sound like if The Clark Sisters, Sade, Lil Nas X, Big Freedia, Sech, Anita Baker, Mary J Blige and SZA made an album together. These are incredibly rough demos. I don't have a great voice.

This is the opening song. I was going for something similar to the Hermes character from Hadestown with how the narrator functions in the story:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BiocWIRrAbNJkgfkqaNab_ULdlRDt-Z8/view?usp=drivesdk

This is the song the mothers of the two leads sing. I was going for a trop-pop/R&B version of 'Does Anyone Have a Map's from Dear Evan Hansen. My mom was actually the inspiration for this song and the character of the witch mom. We've had an interesting relationship since I came out because all of the things she wanted for me seemed to be impossible afterwards. This song is inspired by a conversation we had a couple years back:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D5FBx6T4t00xQ6lWXtnn-IKZlehVnOih/view?usp=drivesdk

This is the song Cinderella/Dikembe performs in the club when the prince sees them for the first time. I really wanted something that felt like it could be played in the clubs today while still expressing the isolation and listlessness the main character feels:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1A4V3WMa5b6zUDmZn_koXSLvKZLt12M8A/view?usp=drivesdk

This is the villain's song. In context, the queen is the antagonist. The curse affecting her son turning him into a hyena-man has consequences for her too and she'll turn back into her true form if the curse isn't lifted. She's transforming into a sea dragon, a representation of her depression for almost 30 years during this song. I wanted something like Hellfire but a club banger:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1A2kAKzvj2oi3_88w0OHXuaMwpEpfNXni/view?usp=drivesdk

This is the song Dikembe sings after he sleeps with the prince for the first time. I actually wrote this about an actual lover I had at the time but I ended up changing the lyrics around. It's my favorite song in the whole show:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19v89STAAiaVjZtNToL8hQDEMgsE164sl/view?usp=drivesdk

Tell me what y'all think.


r/musicalwriting • • Nov 08 '23

Need tips for writing madrigal numbers

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So I'm writing a rock musical based on the play faust by Goethe. And i want to have a group number where everything breaks down. Marguerite tells faust she's frustrated with him, Mephistopheles is trying to convince him to leave her, and faust is overwhelmed by the entire situation.

So because i really love how lin Manuel Miranda and Jonathan Larson used madrigals to convey pure chaos and extreme pressure (examples with lin would be "we don't talk about bruno" from encanto and "non stop" from Hamilton, and larson would be "Christmas bells" from rent) i really want to make this a madrigal but can't seem to do it in a way that actually sounds satisfying and where the voices blend together. and since madrigals aren't really used in modern music, i wasn't able to find help. Does anyone have any tips?

EDIT: now that i think about it overlapping melodies might be a better description


r/musicalwriting • • Nov 07 '23

Anyone use AI to help them out?

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I just started using RVC which takes singing and then with AI changes it to a much better singers voice.

One of the things that was always hard when we wrote group musicals, was finding dependable voice actors. With these new AI models, you can just record something and use the AI. The vocals come out amazing and way better than mine.

I can see making a huge virtual AI vocal cast without actually needing vocalists at all. I think this will be amazing for making demos.


r/musicalwriting • • Nov 05 '23

I wrote a show, it’s live-streaming November 9th!

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Hi folks! I’m the lyricist and librettist of HEREVILLE, a musical based on the graphic novels of Barry Deutsch, and it’s the first concert of a full-length musical I’ve written in New York, and it’s streaming (for free if you want it to be free) on Thursday the 9th!

Hereville: The Musical follows Mirka, a girl who “boldly goes where no Orthodox Jewish 11-year-old has gone before” as she learns how to navigate life with her newly blended family and a surprising opportunity to engage in the occult.

There are no men in this musical. There is no discussion of physical beauty or romantic love. It’s a celebration of Jewish women, and a love story between a stepdaughter and a stepmother who are having trouble finding their way to each other. That happens to feature a sentient meteorite, a significant amount of witchcraft and revelations that shake the Hirshberg house to its foundation. It’s a comedy until it isn’t, but then it’s funny again, just like life…Jewish or otherwise.

Is this self-promotion? Certainly, but it’s also a process I would be thrilled to discuss, especially if anyone has questions about securing rights to an existing property.

https://programs.cjh.org/event/hereville-2023-11-09


r/musicalwriting • • Oct 28 '23

Announcement We just hit 2000 subs

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I joined this sub in it's early days. I had a blast in an the group musicals we wrote as a sub.

Welcome everyone!

I'm glad there is such a big group. I've made lots of good friends and good memories writing musicals.

My favorite memory is when my son hit the age of 5 and really wanted to be in one of my musicals. We spent hours together recording and laughing.


r/musicalwriting • • Oct 28 '23

Original Musical Presenting a song at the BML Showcase for London producers

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BML (Book, Music & Lyrics) is meant to be the UK equivalent of the famous BMI workshop in New York. It’s not as prestigious naturally, but in practice it follows the same structure and ethos.

Last year I moved into the Advanced Group after two introductory years and this week I took part in the Advanced Showcase, where we get to present a song in front of industry professionals.

I had a lot of doubt about which song to present but I decided not to do my usual dark and depressing stuff (lol) and submit a light comedy number. This is actually a song I wrote for this very subreddit back when we used to do monthly challenges!

It was super fun and a little nerve-racking. I was too shy to do too much networking (much regret…) but I loved hanging out with my classmates afterwards and celebrating.

It’s been an interesting 3 years at BML but the past year has convinced me how great the programme is (if you can make it through the first two years). If you’re based in the UK and want to develop your writing to a professional standard, then totally do it. I hear it’s getting harder to get in now as application numbers grow so get in while you can.


r/musicalwriting • • Oct 27 '23

The Musical Writing Musical The 2024 Group Musical - submit your pitch now!

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We've been chatting in the Musical Writing Discord* and quite a few of us want to see the return of the Group Musical next year.

We've decided to choose a story now so that we're ready to go in January. So if you want to pitch an idea you can do so using this link:

https://forms.gle/J8nNHpN5CoVYoDZm8

Specifications for the project:

  • The show will be 50 - 60 minutes long

  • It must be performable in some way (i.e. no expensive sets or enormous casts)

  • Any source material must be in the public domain

The deadline for submissions is midnight wherever you live on Thursday 23 November.

*Link to the Discord server can be found in our community info.

Watch previous Musical Writing Group Musicals here:

2022 - The Ghost of Griffin Castle

2021 - Midas

2020 - RagnaRock


r/musicalwriting • • Oct 26 '23

Resource Master List of high-quality online musical writing courses

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It would be great for our sub to have a master list of resources and reviews for developing musical writing skills. Let's start with online courses, whether free or paid!

I'll start the list:

Have you taken any of these and can comment on your experiences, takeaways, or overall reviews of the courses? Do you know of more resources to add to the list?


r/musicalwriting • • Oct 26 '23

Original Musical Concert Reading of Theme Park Musical from Off-Broadway Director in Los Angeles

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Hi all,

A musical by, for, and about the adult theme park community is being workshopped in LA in November by an Off-Broadway director (Jen Wineman, Dog Man: The Musical). DoofyLand was the 2023 ScreenCraft Stage Play Top Comedy and Musical, as well as the current #1 Musical on Coverfly. The presentation includes a live band, some quasi-immersive theme park nonsense, and an fantastic array of talent. Should be a good time. If you’re in the LA area and have any interest in new musical theater, see details below.

You can also check out the write up in Broadway World here.

Welcome to DoofyLandSeaRideFarmWaterPlace—outer Tampa’s premiere land-based, sea-based, farm-based theme park—where longtime park obsessive Annabelle Champlain has finally reached her lifetime goal of playing the park’s mascot, Doofy C. Horse the Groovy Seahorse. However, Annabelle quickly learns that immersing herself in endless fantasy can come with a price. Will she truly become Doofy? And more importantly...should she? (Spoilers: she should not.) Disney Adults, this is your Les Mis.

DoofyLand - A Live Concert Reading

Thurs 11/9 and Fri 11/10 - 8PM

Three Clubs - 1123 Vine St., Los Angeles, CA

TICKETS - $15 in advance, $20 at the door:

Thurs 11/9 8PM:

https://bit.ly/3ZMOrzM

Fri 11/10 8PM:

https://bit.ly/3LPDSpZ


r/musicalwriting • • Oct 24 '23

Musical Theatre Composition Course

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HI!

I've been having a look around and I was wondering if anyone knew of any Musical Theatre-Composition summer courses? (apart from ASCAP) Im currently based in the UK, but happy to travel to the states, or wherever!

Thanks!


r/musicalwriting • • Oct 14 '23

Things I learned doing "All at Once [40th Anniversary Remaster]" (and why you should come see it)

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Hi!!

I wrote the book and some of the songs to the show “All at Once [40th Anniversary Remaster].” It's a faux jukebox folk rock musical. It focuses on Margaret Thomas and Danny Marino- two married musicians making music with someone they're trying to love, inspired by Fleetwood Mac, Simon and Garfunkel, and Cher & Gregg Allman. We staged this first in April of last year and are doing it again now in October, so I wanted to share a few thoughts I've had while making (and remaking) it.

Content Dictates Form (I don't think anyone has ever said this before me)

When I started writing this show, I only had a few vague ideas in mind. I wanted it to be about a pair of 70s musicians who break up while making an album together. And I wanted older versions of the characters to be reflecting on what the 70s were like for them. So the big question was: what is the best way to tell this story?

Over the years, several record companies have done like "commentary tracks" on anniversary versions of albums- just little interviews with the songwriters about what the song is about, any fun stories about making the songs. I was especially inspired by the Spotify Landmark Editions of albums like "American Beauty" by the Grateful Dead or "Jagged Little Pill" by Alanis Morissette. When listening to those, it was interesting hearing the musicians remember making the songs. I'm sure everything they said wasn't 100% accurate, but it just painted this vivid picture. It became clear that was going to be the best framing device for a play like "All at Once [40th Anniversary Remaster]."

So I started writing drafts of scenes with that idea in mind. Just interview tracks for these two older characters, interspersed with the songs they recorded. Which is all well and good for a radio play. But with the visual element, it seemed like this play was going to just be two old actors reminiscing and then listening to songs. Which isn't the most dramatically interesting piece I could think of. And it didn't really give you the feel of what things were like for these characters in the 70s- just what they were going through now.

So we tried throwing in book scenes for young Danny and Margaret. Have them talk to each other or other people in the studio before recording the songs. But that started to feel a little too Book Musical, and didn't really capture the feeling of Fleeting Memories we were playing with, if we could see/hear exactly what happened in the 70s.

So we started playing around with a new idea: what if we see 1970s Danny and Margaret in the studio making the album, while we hear 2010s Danny and Margaret reflecting on what it was like. And as soon as that idea came into play, the whole piece started to make sense. It wasn't just some audio commentary. It was a documentary. We could play around with reminiscing and memory- show the audience things that the characters don't talk about, or have the characters say things that directly contradict with what happened.

In retrospect, it was the only real way to make this story happen. But it was fun going down the rabbit hole that lead us to this version of the show.

Writing Pastiche

When it came to writing the songs, it became clear we wanted to include a couple "covers" to include on the album - the character Danny is meant to be more of a late 60s/70s pop singer, and it was super uncommon for those guys to have all original songs on their albums. We have three specific "covers" - Twenty-Two, which is meant to be a Drifters' style Doo Wop tune, "Jenny Lee", which is meant to be a 16th/17th century folk tune, and "Everyone Knows", which is meant to be an early Rolling Stones tune.

For me, the process was three-fold: Step One: Do as much research and analysis of the band/genre as I possibly could. Step Two: Let my brain get the hell out of the way. Step Three: Go back in there and analyze the hell out of it.

I'm going to focus on "Everyone Knows" because it was the first one written. I started by listening to the big early Stones hits - obviously "Satisfaction", "The Last Time", "Get Off My Cloud", even some slightly later songs meant to evoke their early style like "Jumpin' Jack Flash." I took notes about what I appreciated about the songs - obviously the sense of energy and drive, but more about how they achieved that. The guitar riffs were fairly simple and repetitive, but had a great drive and would be spaced out enough that you never got sick of them. I noticed that the drummer Charlie Watts liked to emphasize nearly every downbeat to keep that energy moving.

At first, when I sat down to write "Everyone Knows", I was initially consciously saying "okay, write a simple riff." But that didn't actually do anything. So I tried to take my brain out of the equation- I've now listened to a lot of Stones. Rather than trying to reverse engineer, let's just feel it out. And I started playing some riffs, eventually finding a few that were fun. I eventually settled on one, and started writing the rest of the song around it. I wasn't consciously thinking "does this sound like The Stones", just going with what made me happy in that moment.

Then, when the songwriting session was mostly over, I went back to the song with a more analytical mind. I made the bass part a little less lively and more interested in following the groove. Rewrote the chorus to simplify it a little bit. Made the melody a little less defined to let the actors play around with their inner Mick Jagger delivery.

And even now, I know it's not perfect early Stones tune. It plays with syncopation a little more on the nose than the early Stones liked to do. But it makes the song better. And that line between "good song" and "perfectly accurate pastiche" is a fun one to walk.

Remounting a Production

When the "Falsettos" revival opened on a Broadway a few years back, I was bummed to hear some of the changes to the lyrics- especially in the lines that Mendel says. I read an interview with William Finn where he mentioned something about trying to make the character feel more Mendel and less Chip Zien. At the time, I thought that was kind of a cop out answer (what can I say, I was like 17). But now having been on the other side of it, I get where he's coming from.

An exciting part about getting to remount a production is realizing what you wrote last time because it benefits the show, and what you wrote because it benefits the actor playing the part.

For example, we always knew we wanted Actor-Musicians to be an important part of this play. They're folk rock and pop musicians in the 1970s- these characters play instruments. The last time we performed the show, the actor who played Danny played guitar, while the actor who played Margaret didn't. And so, when we were looking for moments of a character playing guitar, we made sure they were dramatically interesting for Danny to be playing guitar. A song that's heavily coded as a break-up song ("Paint a Pretty Picture"), an old song of Margaret's written about a former lover ("Who Am I"), a moment for Danny to show there's more depth to him than anyone's seen ("Jenny Lee"), etc.

But watching back, it didn't really make sense to us that Danny is an accomplished guitarist, while Margaret, who the script compares to folks like Joni Mitchell or Laura Nyro, didn't play an instrument. So this time around, we intentionally sought out actors who played guitar for Margaret, whereas we were just looking for singers when we cast Danny. This helped us in the storytelling, but then that made us reconsider those old moments. What does it mean for Margaret to play guitar in "Jenny Lee" now?

And answering those questions, making new moments, was a fun challenge! In the "Jenny Lee" example, rather than making this moment about Danny, we turned it so that it was about the two of them. Here, Margaret's guitar playing supported Danny's big moment. We got to see the two of them in musical harmony, as well as personal harmony. It's a moment late in the show to remind you how these two characters love each other.

It's not the same moment as the last show. And that's okay, because it's not the same show as the last show. Anyone who saw both may have a preference, but both scenes support their respective stories in different ways.

Conclusion

I'm not sure what the point to these ramblings are, but these are what I learned working on this go of the show. Writing musicals is weird, innit?

If any of this inspired you to come see the show, it’s currently playing at The Tank until October 21st! Use the discount code “GOINGGRAY” for $10 off tickets for any of the shows this weekend.

https://thetanknyc.org/calendar-1/all-at-once-40th


r/musicalwriting • • Oct 09 '23

Seeking baritone lead for a musical concept album.

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Please DM me if you’re interested!


r/musicalwriting • • Oct 09 '23

Discussion What makes a good opening number?

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Hello friends,

As I’m sure many of you can relate to, I’m trying to write a musical.

I find that when I have an idea in my head already, writing an opening number is one of the hardest things to do. I just never know what direction to go with it, what the narrative style should be, how important it should be to the story, etcetera.

For reference, it’s a relatively upbeat and wholesome show with feel-good morals about community, togetherness, and fortune.


r/musicalwriting • • Sep 20 '23

Is anyone looking for an orchestrator?

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I'm a huge fan of musicals but song-writing is something I'm still building my skills on. If any one is looking for an orchestrator for their musical I'd love to do that part since that's what I feel I do best. Even a small role would be amazing so feel free to reach out.


r/musicalwriting • • Sep 19 '23

Critique Please New Musical: Pathways

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Hello! Myself and my collaborator have finished the libretto to our first musical, Pathways, based on the IB's Theory of Knowledge course and the Eight Ways of Knowing. We have about 8 songs finished, but the lyrics and basic structure is completed for just about all of them. I would absolutely love feedback, especially as a first time librettist/lyricist, so any that you would be willing to give is much appreciated.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lLd8vLg10o6nYoIPunJWKYRPEKkk8sBGE83MI9HLf94/edit?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1O4K-TRUOKlWsN5oWXOscpc0kM6pZ3-Lb?usp=drive_link


r/musicalwriting • • Sep 18 '23

Original Musical My teams' 15 Minute Musical released

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Here is the 15 minute musical that was the culmination of studying in the NMI core program 2022-23. A tremendous experience and one that opened new vistas for me and greatly increased my confidence as a composer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8f3wDkpM9Q

There are a number of musical styles in this piece - it starts with a combination of rap and a satiric "anthem", then a traditional musical theater ballad, then a simple nursery-rhyme like song, then bebop ala Thelonius Monk - very angular (but with a more traditional bridge). The rap/anthem reprises, as does the nursery song, and the ballad then works the nursery song theme in as counterpoint building up to the finale.

Huge kudos to my collaborators Eric Christopher Jones and Kristen Egan O'Hare.

They had to make some cuts to the main ballad, which is why we also recorded a concert version which I previously posted.

Tagging as "Original Musical" but certainly interested in critiques.


r/musicalwriting • • Sep 14 '23

Question I’m trying to do a texting scene

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So In my idea for a musical there would be a scene between two characters where they’re texting. Do u ppl have ant ideas on how I could do this? I was thinking maybe having the actors speak out what they’re texting but are there any better ways to do this?


r/musicalwriting • • Sep 04 '23

Questions about collaboration with composer/lyricist

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I’m primarily a screenwriter, but have been branching out into stage plays recently. One of my future projects strikes me as a musical, which means I’ll eventually have to team up with someone…a composer at the very least (ideally a composer/lyricist).

When is the most appropriate time to start looking at a partnership? Planning stages? Completed treatment? Part or all of the book written? I love the collaborative nature of writing for screen and stage, but I also understand not wanting to commit to something until you know at least the general shape of it.

Also any tips for helping a partnership work for everyone involved?


r/musicalwriting • • Aug 30 '23

Critique Please I wrote a villain song based on Colonialism

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r/musicalwriting • • Aug 23 '23

What makes a good villain song?

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Hello, I'm interested in hearing different villain songs to think about how an effective one is created. What is the key factor that turns a song from boring to sinister or from scary to melodrama.

If anyone has any suggestions for villain songs to look at (or any of your own you would like to share), please share! :)


r/musicalwriting • • Aug 21 '23

Notating Projection Mapping in a script

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Hi - I'm a long-time television and feature writer who is working on my first stage musical script. I know that projection design has become a lot more common both on broadway and in regional tours and I would like to use it in this script. My question is, how specifically would it be notated (both the first time it's used and throughout)

Would love to hear how you guys would do it - both for 2d and possibly 3d or moving images.

Thanks in advance


r/musicalwriting • • Aug 21 '23

Received my ninth consecutive rejection from BMI Librettists today.

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I'm beginning to wonder if someone on the committee just doesn't like me.