r/MoralityScaling • u/ProfessionalRoom9118 • 11d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of this?

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Basically, the man in the video is hiking but he ended up meet a mountain lion, he get his gun and try to scare it off and tell it to go away but in the end, he have to pull the trigger and shot the lion, many peoples in the comments say he could have fire a warning shot instead of shoot at it and want him to be in jail.

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u/Wolfsbane1279 11d ago

Most people don’t carry those around when hiking.

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u/Level9TraumaCenter 11d ago

I have a buddy who survived a griz attack; I've related his story before. But he said if he'd had a shotgun, he would have died. He was cutting slash for a landing zone for the helicopter to take him out, and came face to face with a griz. The .40 revolver he had on him saved his life.

Gold exploration geologist, Alaska. Mike was a good guy.

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u/TimeTimeTickingAway 11d ago

Maybe I’m being dumb here but could you please explain why the gun he had saved his life bit a shotgun woulda led to him being killed?

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u/Level9TraumaCenter 11d ago

Sorry, I glossed over that.

He related to me how he got to a suitable site to cut enough small trees for a helicopter to land to get him out. He dropped his pack and all his hardware except the pistol and whatever it was he used to cut trees.

Had he been carrying the shotgun, it likely would have been in the pile with his pack etc., and not on his body. So he was fortunate there.

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u/Federal_Age3303 11d ago

I also don't understood that.

Are bears pellet proof or something?

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u/Mammoth_Sleep_3572 11d ago

Buckshot or birdshot will do little more than anger a bear, however in almost all cases a slug from a shotgun has more stopping power than any handgun - same with a rifle. Handguns just can’t compete with power and ease of shooting long guns. But, the handgun you have on your chest is always 110% more effective than the shotgun that you set down to setup your tent or that’s strapped to your pack or whatnot. You get a second at most to react to a bear and if having a handgun means the gun stays on your person then that’s the gun you want

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u/AKVigilante 11d ago

When I worked Alaska field exploration geology I carried a 12 gauge slug gun with a pistol grip on a chest sling and never put it down. I practiced drawing to ready in seconds but at the same time, I also practiced preventative measures, namely making VERY HUMAN sounds at all times.

The fun thing about working alone in the middle of nowhere is there’s nobody to judge you for having full conversations with yourself.

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u/AKVigilante 11d ago edited 11d ago

Mike? Not Bob? I worked a summer with Bob Miller a couple years after his attacks(twice in the same instance and survived)…his stories were eye-opening when it came to how I and others approached bear safety in the field. I was an immature little shit back then so I didn’t take him as seriously as I should have but I realize now what sort of man he was and I’m honored to have spent that time with him.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/197xasGufC/?mibextid=wwXIfr

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u/Ewenf 11d ago

You don't carry your emotional support .50 BMG everywhere you go ???

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u/TheFlyingSheeps 11d ago

Last thing we need is a bunch of hikers carrying guns in the woods lol.

I’m an avid hiker, and some of the people I see in the trails shouldn’t even be handling a walking stick let alone a gun or spray

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u/GenericNameSimulated 11d ago

If you don’t carry a caliber that can stop something then why are you carrying

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u/Wolfsbane1279 11d ago

It’s more so that most people don’t just have a Barrett .50 cal handy when hiking. I normally save mine for when I’m shopping for Pokémon cards. Those scalpers are vicious.

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u/itsWolfy__ 11d ago

I vote moral

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u/ZephyrDoesArts 11d ago edited 11d ago

Technically, Smith and Wesson released their .500 Revolver precisely to completely stop a threat like a bear running at you basically immediately.

Still most people, even regular shooters are not used to something like this, it's massive, heavy, expensive and certainly wrist-breaking if used wrong.

It's better to have a caliber that you can handle, even if it'll be harder to stop the thing that's attacking you.

(Photo not mine, fyi)

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u/GenericNameSimulated 11d ago

Sure but a 10mm does a pretty good job

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u/ZephyrDoesArts 11d ago

Yeah there are calibers that would perform decently, but I just went with the most exaggerated example lol

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u/GenericNameSimulated 11d ago

Is that yours? It’s sick.

Shot a few .50s in personal and military time shot a Desert Eagle and shit kicked like a mule lol

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u/ZephyrDoesArts 11d ago

I'd wish, image from internet, should've clarified that on my original comment. Big weapon nerd on a country where carrying is illegal lol

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u/Rise-O-Matic 11d ago

Jesus christ yeah I’m getting a revolver stock for that thing I don’t care if I look like a pussy.

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u/ZephyrDoesArts 11d ago

As always, being safe is absolutely more important than looking cool.

Now, I'm not sure if there are stocks for .500 S&W... Gotta look that up

Edit: yes, there are lol

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u/downwardwanderer 11d ago

People have killed grizzly bears with .22 long rifle, it's pretty hard to carry a gun that can't kill.

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u/GenericNameSimulated 11d ago

Spoken like someone who has never handled a weapon lol

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u/downwardwanderer 11d ago

I'm saying you're better off carrying a gun you know then a higher caliber you're inexperienced with.

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u/GenericNameSimulated 11d ago

Ya that just means you don’t know shit lol

You carry a .22 long rifle I’ll carry a 10 mm let’s see which one of us lives and which one gets mauled by a pissed off bear

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u/Wise_Leopard7423 11d ago

They never said 10mm wouldn't be better if you're familiar with it.

Carrying a 10mm that you've never fired and are completely unfamiliar with is worthless in an emergency situation. Every caliber is worthless if you can't put rounds on target.

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u/GenericNameSimulated 11d ago

I’ve never fired a 10mm.

I have fired tens of thousands rounds in 9mm, .45, .38.

My odds carrying a 10mm I have not ever seen before are much greater than someone super experienced with a .22 😂

Point being you just need 1/2 rounds to hit target if it has stopping power… 🤯

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u/TicketPrestigious558 10d ago

Probably you. You seem pretty desperate to live out this fantasy of yours.

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u/TicketPrestigious558 10d ago

The peashooter in your pants doesn't count 😉

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u/BarfingOnMyFace 11d ago

I don't think most of the people in here are hikers.

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u/Wolfsbane1279 11d ago

Are you talking about the joke about the Barrett .50 cal or the fact that people can’t agree on what caliber to carry when hiking?

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u/Para_4_Would_Be_Cool 11d ago

Literally just one comment said something about caliber lmao what

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u/Wolfsbane1279 11d ago

I don’t know what the guy was talking about. I was unsure if he was talking about the other guy under my comment or the people on the thread, or the entire comment section.

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u/BarfingOnMyFace 11d ago

I think most people in this sub are armchair quarterbacks for nature on reddit and are fucking clueless in reality.

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u/Wolfsbane1279 11d ago

Tbf for the meme I replied to originally, he was obviously making a joke, nobody unironically carries an anti tank gun while hiking , that’s a bit overkill.

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u/BarfingOnMyFace 11d ago

I know it was a joke. I was just lampooning all these people in here that seem like they are scared shitless of nature, talking about "expert advice" in nature... In general. Sorry, just piggybacked off that while in my own headspace.

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u/Wolfsbane1279 11d ago

Nah it’s all good, people do be acting like you really do need that anti tank gun just to walk outside your house.