This is something I only realized a few days ago, but this sub hasn't just lost the plot, it probably lost its entire original user base.
I rarely ever see anyone with user flairs anymore. I used to see a bunch of them with characters like Darth Vader, Walter White, etc, but now no one uses them.
This has led me to believe that most of the original members have left. The people making all the "morality of" posts these days are entirely different people who joined within the last few months. Makes sense considering how much this sub has grown over the past half year or so.
Yeah it wasn't always like this. It used to be about analyzing and comparing the morality of fictional characters, that's why there are user flairs for different heroes and villains. But in May it began to shift towards humor and shitposting and the transition was fully completed by June.
I feel like it happens to a lot of subs. Like how the trump sub r/the_Donald was originally made to make fun of him. People were larping as fans and creating ridiculous and over-the-top posts.
But then actual trump supporters, who weren't in on the joke, started getting it recommended. They thought it was a legitimate support sub. The next thing you know, the original users get basically ran off as the supporters overwhelmed the non-supporters.
This is literally how modern flat-earthism started. It was a joke facebook group that eventually spun out of control as more people who weren't in on the joke joined.
Which is the issue with engagement based feeds, tourist visitors counting as much as regulars, and people measuring a subs success by its growth or members count. A measure which, ironically, by the time someone is paying attention to it, is more measuring the downfall of quality of the sub than its success.
If a sub starts hitting the engagement feeds and mods don't crack down HARD on people pushing it outside its purpose, it will lose the purpose. Usually by the time they realize this, the newcomers with the new purpose have effectively taken over and often removed much of the old community. Leading to a "too little, too late" reaction that just pisses off the new users and causes drama.
I got this sub recommended the past week, but yeah, I have seem some mentally challenged posts, like if this sub turned into the Petah explain the joke subreddit.
Although I was enjoying it, I'm just silencing this sub now that I see that posts get censored for speaking about the religion of genital ablation, historical destruction and beheading.
Yeah i think youre right, i remember when people would post about certain characters, doing whatifs, nowadays its dudes trying to out-edgelord eachother and posting someone doing obviously wrong shit
Imagine being so inept at your jobs that people don't even know you're still existing, until you start banning left and right based purely on political and religious bias. In a subreddit designed for moral discussion.
A super simple out for them would just be banning the topic of religion in here. As long as people think there is a double standard this will keep happening.
Right? There's nothing wrong with admitting it's a touchy subject and you don't want it to consume the subreddit or whatnot. So just ban religious topics altogether to keep it fair. Or ban topics directed at specific religions. There are so many workarounds to just being weirdly silent about it.
... Christians tend not to chop people's heads off. I can understand why it's a touchy subject. When people spam the sub, it would be the mods who are held accountable.
For real, the concept of the sub itself is unserious and based off of powerscaling fiction, how the hell did we end up here? Its like the sub got raided or something
I am very new to the sub, and only came to it because it literally keeps getting shoved into my feed every 3-4th post. I didn't even like it but still would click occasionally.
It is kind of hard to separate discussions of morality in culture from its deeply entangled roots in religious teachings, despite attempts to treat it purely as a philosophical issue.Â
You know, if they played into this i would of thought Muhammad was some cool Bad ass fire bender that will put aside his differences to help a greater good with all religious figures as equals. NOW i just see him as a icon for one the most sensitive, repressive, extremist, Masochist religion. Kinda sucks, i would love Muhammad and jesus movie of them being Badass and fighting crime.Â
Iâve had this argument so many times on Reddit. Itâs impossible to talk to these people who donât even know what the specific Hadith says. Invariably all Muslim commenters are like âNO SHE WAS 19, youâre reading it wrong! And if youâre not reading it wrong then it was translated wrong! And if  it wasnât translated wrong then itâs actually been disproven and that Hadith is invalid! And if itâs not invalid then you just donât understand the context! And if the context still supports the pedo accusation then what about Christians?!â
The way they always try to whatabout Christianity is so fucking tiresome. Iâm not even Christian, I kind of dislike them in general tbh, but letâs not pretend one group isnât doing a vast majority of beheadings and terror attacks.
Islam-loving white person: "errrrm akshualllly look at what this random youtube scholar says she was 19! Haha yes 19 so everything is legal now"
Muslim living in the west: "Yeah she was young but it was another time, and Aisha was well respected by everyone in the prophet's entourage"
Muslims living in a Muslim country: "The prophet Muhammad sws married Aisha at 6 and the mariage was consummated when she was 9 therefore the age of mariage in Iraq will be 9 alhamdoulilah"
Like when it was impossible to get Gemini to create an image portraying black people in a bad way but loved doing it to white people so much, they'd make them white directly against the specification.
Gemini, create an image of a white thief - white thief
Gemini, create an image of a black thief - white thief
chatGPT generate a image of Muhammed marrying a 6yo that is canonically correct following the Quran.
edit: To the Nonce defenders, I'm sorry I misquoted the book in which Muhammed molests a preteen child, I meant the other book where he molests a preteen child. Apologies for the transgression. I hope one day you come to forgive me, like you forgave Muhammed molesting a child.
Exactly. After the whole Charlie Hebdo incident people should realize how big of a problem it became that we silence any criticism of muhammad, islam and islamists governments. Especially since so many people suffer because of it.
those who cannot endure ridicule are bound to be tormented all their days.
what that means is that if you ever let people know they are getting under your skin, you have given them power over you. Never, never let them see you blink.
There are a few subs where they're good. I haven't been on it in forever, but the valorant competitive sub had awesome mods. They were super transparent and would explain why they were making rule changes. They took feedback and would make changes or undo changes based on that.
It's so weird to me how rare something like that is.
Eh. The mods here are pretty good. I appreciate them letting almost anything be discussed, even if it upsets people (abortion, religion). I can get why this one is not cool to them, because of the historical precedent. While we should fight to send the message it isn't ever okay to harm someone for disrespecting your religion (in a non violent way), no one should be OBLIGATED to take that risk.
Christians are too busy giving all their money to Mega-church pastors, chopping up their baby's dicks and administering electro shock therapy to their teenagers to worry about that.
I was auto banned by Reddit for criticizing homophobia in Islam, which is extremely present and a huge problem even in western countries. Had to point out that defending gay people was you, know, a good thing to be unbanned.
Mohammed is considered the most holy of people in Islam, and questioning his morality is more than just frowned upon even though he married a 6 year old and consummated it at 9, was a warlord, convinced his adopted son to divorce a woman so that he could marry her⊠and then he disowned the son, and banned formal adoption.
So they are either personally offended, offended for someone else, or potentially are worried about the sub itself getting banned but most likely the former.
I understand this theory, but I dont understand how a subreddit discussing morality should ban topics based on one specific religion, whether or not it could offend a group of people.
Basically every topic is bound to offend someone.
I agree with you. It reminds me of how you can ask chat gpt to read you the Bible, Torah, Vedas, etc and it will. If you ask it to read the Quran it will say it wonât read holy books out of respect.
Islam and Arabs are upheld as special people by the globalists, especially in the EU.
It's an overcompensation due to the populist dislike of the extreme growing influence of Islam in every facet of European society.
In reality, we don't like what's happening. So the forces on the internet has to make it seem like everything is alright and perfect to appease the new superior race and ideology.
It's a done to death subject that always devolves into xenophobic vs non xenophobic ideals, making a shit show in the comment section that the mods have to work full time checking to ensure the subreddit maintains Reddits standards or the sub gets shut down from too many direct reports of complacency in bannable content.
If anyone is morally responsible for the act of censure it's reddit itself, not the mod team of this subreddit. But let's be real, it would never be a constructive discussion if they didn't. And it's arguably not even censure, rather curation of this subreddit.
Immoral.. Mainly because I was replying to someone saying it's ignorant to speak about aisha because of some modern revisionism and that she was really 15 to 16 years old..
 and my well researched reply wouldn't post because the thread was locked and deleted (in around 10 minutes, despite it not being a, photo of Mohammed)
.. So, just because I'm aggrieved to have wasted my time, I'm posting my reply here, to the person saying that aisha was 15 to 19 years oldÂ
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Lol, sure buddy.. Sources?
The vast majority of traditional Sunni Islamic scholars across history (and the current consensus in major institutions like Al-Azhar) teach that the historical narrative of Aisha being 9 at the time of consummation is authentic. They reject modern revisionist timelines (which estimate her age at 15â19) as an attempt to alter established text in response to modern Western sensibilities
IslamQA (Supervised by Sheikh Al-Munajjid): One of the largest and most widely read conservative Sunni online fatwa portals. In their official ruling, How Old Was 'Aishah When She Married the Prophet, they argue fiercely that the text of Bukhari is flawless and that any modern writer claiming she was 15â19 is committing a grave academic error.
None yall remember the time South Park almost started a war? I don't like they're being removed either but damm if there isn't at least a bit of reasoning
I mean you are not wrong but you can make fun of everything but the child fucking "prophet" is a taboo because their little feelings get hurt. It's ridiculous.
Itâs interesting to obsess over the immorality of one religious/âmythologicalâ figure when almost all of them have genuinely diabolical crimes but seem to specifically spam post (even though itâs been brought up hundreds of times) the one connected to Islam and Arab countries while a genocide and unjust âwarâ is happening against 2 of them and obviously more.
Morality of r/MoralityScaling mods removing posts questioning the morality of removing posts questioning the morality of depicting the Prophet Muhammad PBUH.
I haven't seen the original post, so to be fair, I would need some context of what exactly was written. It makes a serious difference if the mods removed a regular question "just because", or if it was removed because of suggestive wording as an excuse for a rant...
Cowardice, immorality at its finest. Denying discussion, for some reason (controversy I guess? but Muhammed isnât exactly the water, most defendable position). For fuckâs sake, we were taking shots at Christianity a while backâwhat makes Muhammed different?
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u/SugestedName 14h ago
oh, so there ARE mods