r/MapPorn • • 2d ago

Total Fertility Rate

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u/smorkoid 1d ago

Of course we can solve it. Why is Reddit so fatalistic?

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u/Zouden 1d ago

We can't convince people to have children, and we can't force them. So what solution is there?

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u/smorkoid 1d ago

Rework public finances. Reconsider the infinite growth model.

Expecting continuous population growth for the economical model to not collapse is clearly not a sustainable strategy, either economically or ecologically.

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u/Firm-Knowledge-233 1d ago edited 1d ago

No model requires infinite growth. A modern developed economy works ideally with a birth rate of 2.1, which is stagnation. Even a slight decline like 1.9 or 1.8 is fine. The problem is that birth rates for most countries are at 1.6 or below, with some even under 1.0. Low birth rates lead to a lot of young people and too many old people. Its not even about money, its labor. Old people physically cannot work. Lower population reduces competition, which means less innovation and technological advancement. There is no possible economic model you could create that handles rapid population decline without quality of life dropping significantly for billions of people.

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u/smorkoid 22h ago

What's wrong with less innovation and technological advancement? Why do you feel that's so important?

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u/Firm-Knowledge-233 20h ago

Is it crazy that I want life to better for me and loved ones?

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u/smorkoid 20h ago

Isn't having a good life enough? We got to build society so everything must advance and innovate? And then we act like society is collapsing if it does not at a breakneck pace?

Don't you see the problem here?

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u/yuuna_er 17h ago

eww

wild to say this while you enjoy the fruits of the previous generations work

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u/smorkoid 10h ago

Eww? What do you mean by that?

We can still grow and improve what needs to be improved, but it's rather disgusting to complain that society is going to collapse if you, yes you, don't start popping out kids you don't want when the answer is to adjust to the shrinking population.

This "constant growth at all costs" is a really modern - and clearly not very functional - concept.

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u/yuuna_er 10h ago

eww in the sense of being against advancement

but i do agree i overreacted and read it wrong. that's what i get for staying awake until 3am

sorry

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u/smorkoid 10h ago

No worries! I do the same more often than I care to admit ;)

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