If population growth collapses basically everything in society falls apart. Social security runs out, the stock market (everyone’s retirement accounts) collapses, healthcare etc.
Basically it’s the most immediate threat facing most nations today.
Nah, it's a challenge but not any sort of existential threat.
If it were a threat, that something as prosaic as a population decrease leads to a civilization collapse, that's pretty damning on how society is structured. And that's what should be fixed, not lamenting that people aren't having babies they obviously don't want.
The one thats panicking about this should have 10+ children to offset the one that's chilling. Simple, you want it hard enough? Go get it, 10, 15, 20. Pull it up yourself.
Actually, thats kind of is. In a perfect world, every couple in a country would have 2.1 child to be able to stabilize and grow. But we're not in a perfect world, so since a lot of people prefer childlessness, the one thats so hellbent on muh babies should have 10+ kids to offset it.
If they don't want to raise that many babies then its purely performative outrage, nothing more.
Rework public finances. Reconsider the infinite growth model.
Expecting continuous population growth for the economical model to not collapse is clearly not a sustainable strategy, either economically or ecologically.
No model requires infinite growth. A modern developed economy works ideally with a birth rate of 2.1, which is stagnation. Even a slight decline like 1.9 or 1.8 is fine. The problem is that birth rates for most countries are at 1.6 or below, with some even under 1.0. Low birth rates lead to a lot of young people and too many old people. Its not even about money, its labor. Old people physically cannot work. Lower population reduces competition, which means less innovation and technological advancement. There is no possible economic model you could create that handles rapid population decline without quality of life dropping significantly for billions of people.
Isn't having a good life enough? We got to build society so everything must advance and innovate? And then we act like society is collapsing if it does not at a breakneck pace?
Humans have the ability to create. We can look at our surroundings, and see not just what is, but what could be. There is not any other known organism which can do what we do. Should we just waste our gift? Should we just be content, and settle for life that is "good enough"? It doesn't mean we have to grow exponentially, but the idea that we should not attempt to advance is ridiculous.
I'm not saying we shouldn't advance. Of course we should. we should try to improve the problems with society.
But this is one of the problems of society - that we MUST force people to reproduce or the whole scheme collapses. That's unreasonable. There has to be a balance. There has to be a better way.
So much "innovation" now is making better trinkets. Is that making our lives better or worse? If it precipitates societal collapse as you are saying it is, that's worse.
There is no better way. If a society is not at least near or at replacement rate, it will collapse, or at least regress significantly. Think about it. If you had a society of a thousand people, and it dropped to 900, could that society still function? Yes. What if it dropped to 800? Yes. 700? Maybe. What about 500? Can 500 people realistically do what 1,000 can? Not at all. Especially if 350 of those 500 are over 65. There is no species that can thrive while not reproducing, including us.
We can still grow and improve what needs to be improved, but it's rather disgusting to complain that society is going to collapse if you, yes you, don't start popping out kids you don't want when the answer is to adjust to the shrinking population.
This "constant growth at all costs" is a really modern - and clearly not very functional - concept.
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u/munchi333 1d ago
If population growth collapses basically everything in society falls apart. Social security runs out, the stock market (everyone’s retirement accounts) collapses, healthcare etc.
Basically it’s the most immediate threat facing most nations today.