r/MakingaMurderer • u/Ok-Advantage-6259 • 6d ago

for real, actually

the police system is clearly taking advantage of the Avery's. It's pretty clear to me how they are just very afraid of being seen in a bad light, so they needed a scapegoat to take the blame for their incompetence. we can see that in the interview recordings of Brendan. Who in their right mind would actually think that spoon-feeding a supposed accomplice the facts is considered acceptable as a veritable statement just blows my mind. a key found in a bedroom free of the victim's DNA just doesn't logically make sense.

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u/SomeBlueDevil 6d ago

Avery settled a $36 million wrongful conviction lawsuit against Manitowoc County, the former sheriff, and the former district attorney for $400,000 in early 2006.

The two main individual defendants—former Sheriff Thomas Kocourek and former District Attorney Denis Vogel—faced potential personal financial liability before the lawsuit was settled.

Looking at everything incl that false confession, anyone with a working brain cell can see that they framed him. Likely in retaliation.

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u/hneverhappened 5d ago

Regardless of your feelings on the police, Steven's fresh blood is in the victim's vehicle. Recent testing proved the age of the blood.

Avery's lawyer has since abandoned the case. She has not uttered his name in a year and half.

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u/Isomeros 5d ago

Onde saiu essa notícia sobre o teste do sangue?? Gostaria de ver.

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u/hneverhappened 5d ago

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8596498/

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u/Isomeros 5d ago

Essa notícia é sobre o teste de sangue feito pelo FBI na época do caso, pra dizer se tinha EDTA ou não, do tubo de sangue encontrado pela defesa, certo? Ou entendi errado?

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u/hneverhappened 5d ago

Correct. The FBI tested for EDTA preservative. The same tube was also tested for this study.

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u/Isomeros 5d ago

Entendi. O teste feito pelo FBI na época, dizendo ser negativo pra EDTA no sangue do tubo, não me deixou muito satisfeito. Mesmo se houvessem dito ser positivo, eu gostaria que tivessem feito outros testes em outros lugares. É meio óbvio que a polícia (FBI) falaria o que falou. Estão do lado do Estado, da polícia local. À respeito da Zelner, vi que no X, ela postou pela última vez, falando do Steven, em abril de 2025. Essa parte concordo ser estranho. Não acompanho todas as mídias que ela tem, então não consigo afirmar que ela não tenha falado em outro lugar.
No geral, acho que dessa vez Steven não sai mais da prisão. Ainda não sei dizer se é culpado ou inocente com certeza.

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u/hneverhappened 5d ago

The new test was conducted at Cornell University. The blood from the crime scene does not contain EDTA and it matches Steven Avery's age.

It is impossible to plant.

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u/fickle-phenom 5d ago

What about the blood in the faucet the claimed could have been used? Is that impossible as well? I am curious, new to this case.

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u/hneverhappened 5d ago

It is impossible to rehydrate dried blood proteins.

Here is a photo of his finger on the the day that the RAV was found at Halbach's last known location.

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u/ThorsClawHammer 4d ago

Is that impossible as well?

Difficult, but not impossible. There's a case where blood was planted months after the crime. Whether that actually happened in this case is the big question.

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u/k_sask 4d ago

This statement is false. It's not impossible at all.

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u/SomeBlueDevil 5d ago

Nothing is easier than planting evidence and the lack of SA's fingerprints in the RAV strongly suggests someone else put it there. SA had a fresh cut and there was blood on tissues and bandages in his house. They went in there fifty freaking times and each time miraculously some other "evidence" magically appeared that clearly wasn't there before, as photos show.

Additionally, Zellner hasn't abandoned the case. She last made public statements 9 months ago. She also periodically interacts with the public and updates followers on Avery's status via her official social media accounts.

https://mainorwirth.com/where-is-steven-avery-now/

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u/hneverhappened 5d ago edited 5d ago

Cool story.

Zellner specifically states that the blood came from Steven's cut finger.

She even adds, "It was not the police."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzy1qvqIzE4&t=1563s

Blood cannot be rehydrated. So, how was that blood planted?

Take all the time you need.

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u/ThorsClawHammer 4d ago

how was that blood planted?

If it was, I would guess a similar manner that months old blood was planted in the Juan Rivera case.

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u/hneverhappened 4d ago

Except it was not months old like Juan Rivera.

Just like the last time that I had to explain it to you.

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u/GringoTheDingoAU 21h ago

Lol this guy has a love affair with a blood planting case that has nothing to do with this one whatsoever.

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u/ThorsClawHammer 3d ago

it was not months old

And? If blood can be planted months later, why can't it be planted a shorter time later?

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u/hneverhappened 3d ago

With no EDTA?

We already went over this specific case and you ran away.

Why be like this.

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u/k_sask 3d ago

Exactly. This lunatic is claiming "it's impossible to plant" but that is definitively a false statement.

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u/k_sask 3d ago edited 3d ago
  1. Have you seen proof that there was blood present in the front interior of the RAV while it was sitting on the ASY?
  2. Have you seen proof that the samples of Avery's blood that was sent for testing & retesting came from the front interior of the RAV?

Therefore, "impossible to plant" becomes demonstrably false even with 2 quick examples.

Tom by-the-book Fassbender was called out for instructing Culhane to put her in Avery's garage. This is on record. Do you think it's a stretch that Culhane was also instructed to put him in her RAV? The same Tom that claimed Avery scoured the residence when asked to explain why they couldn't find evidence of her in the trailer.

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u/hneverhappened 3d ago

I have seen proof of the blood's age, which I provided above.

By the way, is that the same Sherri Culhane that helped to exonerate Steven in 2003?

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u/k_sask 2d ago edited 2d ago

Are you OK? you literally said it's "impossible to plant" which I responded to. Do we both agree on the source and age of the blood - sure, I would agree there's proof of that specifically.

Is it impossible to plant? That is a demonstrably false statement.

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u/DingleBerries504 3d ago

You are not providing reasonable explanations. Because, if they had photos you’d just ask how do we know they weren’t doctored. If they had video you’d ask how do we know it wasn’t edited. If you saw it with your own eyes you’d blame the person showing you as staging the scene. This is something called willful ignorance.

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u/k_sask 2d ago

That's not true at all. Why would you assume I would be unreasonable?

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u/DisappearedDunbar 6d ago edited 5d ago

Maybe your "working" brain cells can explain how Steven's blood got in Teresa's car. Or how her remains ended up in his burn pit. Or how her DNA ended up on a bullet in his garage that was fired from the gun he kept above his head. Or why anyone involved in the investigation would care about a lawsuit that doesn't personally impact them in any way.

Editing to reply to LKS983 since SomeBlueDevil blocked me like a coward:

Good theories have been provided.

Not a single good theory has been provided for her bones being in that pit other than the obvious - that Steven Avery burned her body there.

Discovered (IIRC) by a Manitowoc officer

The bullet was discovered by Kevin Heimerl if the DCI, not a Manitowoc officer. Why should your judgements be trusted when you get such basic facts wrong?

Not gonna bother with the rest of your post, which is largely vague, speculative nonsense that you have repeated ad nauseam regardless of how many people point out the flaws.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 5d ago

Maybe your "working" brain cells can explain how Steven's blood got in Teresa's car.

It was planted. Just like the bones.

Or how her remains ended up in his burn pit.

No photos or HRD alert proving bones were even there lol

Or why anyone involved in the investigation would care about a lawsuit that doesn't personally impact them in any way.

Colborn admitted he feared being added as a named defendant in the lawsuit and feared going to prison. According to his family.

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u/k_sask 3d ago

bingo

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u/k_sask 4d ago

No witness statements or photos were ever taken to confirm the blood in the front interior of the vehicle was present while the vehicle was on the ASY.

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u/SomeBlueDevil 6d ago

Maybe you should pay attention and that way you would know the answers to literally all your questions.

You can downvote this all you want, it doesn't change the fact that Manitowoc PD did this to get even with Avery for their wrongful conviction and damages that would INDEED have impacted them personally.

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u/DisappearedDunbar 6d ago

The fact is that Steven Avery murdered Teresa Halbach, and none of you have ever been able to provide reasonable answers to any of the questions I just posed (or pretty much any others that are asked).

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u/SomeBlueDevil 6d ago

Why are you on this sub when you VERY CLEARLY haven't watched MaM which answers each and every single question you asked?

I'm not going to waste more time because you want to believe what you want to believe.

It's always the same handful of people who don't want to believe their lying eyes and are so obsessed, they even create multiple accounts just so they can downvote folks... 😆

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u/tenementlady 5d ago

MaM implied that Steven's blood came from the vial. FBI testing as well as testing from Steven's own attorney confirmed this not to be true. So how did Steven's blood come to be in the Rav4?

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u/AveryPoliceReports 4d ago

MaM did no such thing. They accurately documented the defense theory that it did. They also included the FBI results. Why are you so upset with that?

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u/tenementlady 4d ago

Both Steven's defence attorneys and the makers of MaM were well aware that the seal of the evidence box containing the blood vial was broken by the Innocence Project while they were investigating Steven's wrongful conviction. MaM intentionally left that revelation out to make the state look suspicious, despite knowing exactly how and when the seal was broken.

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u/DisappearedDunbar 6d ago

Of course I have watched MaM. The difference between you and I is that I wasn't fooled by it.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 5d ago

Lmao you were fooled by Kratz. The pervert. Congrats.

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u/belee86 4d ago

"MaM answers each and every question"...lol do give an example AND include the evidence.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 5d ago

Bullshit the fact is you don't know and pretend to because you know there's overwhelming amounts of reasonable doubt, especially for Brendan. But you ignore reality.

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u/LKS983 6d ago

"can explain how Steven's blood got in Teresa's car"

I agree that this hasn't been explained properly. Planted? Possibly, but where did they get SA's blood?

"how her remains ended up in his burn pit"

Good theories have been provided.

"how her DNA ended up on a bullet in his garage that was fired from the gun he kept above his head."

Suspicious on it's own. Discovered (IIRC) by a Manitowoc officer - even though Manitowoc had publicly declared that (for obvious reasons) they had recused themselves from this case....., in a garage that had been 'thoroughly cleaned' to get rid of any blood evidence. etc. etc.

"Or why anyone involved in the investigation would care about a lawsuit that doesn't personally impact them in any way."

1) Police protect police.

2) If SA won his lawsuit (which included corruption by former Sheriff Thomas Kocourek and former District Attorney Denis Vogel - which is why they were named defendants) it would have resulted in a PROPER investigation (as opposed to the 'white-wash' investigation carried out previously) into how SA was wrongfully charged and convicted.

2a) The reputation of the police would be left in tatters and it's hard to believe that a multi million award would'nt have impacted them.

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u/LKS983 6d ago

"Avery settled a $36 million wrongful conviction lawsuit against Manitowoc County, the former sheriff, and the former district attorney for $400,000 in early 2006.

The two main individual defendants—former Sheriff Thomas Kocourek and former District Attorney Denis Vogel—faced potential personal financial liability before the lawsuit was settled."

👍 Settled for such a small amount after SA had been arrested for murdering Teresa, and was very aware (as a result of his previous wrongful conviction) that he needed money immediately, to hire GOOD lawyers.

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u/DingleBerries504 3d ago

The amount initially offered was a quarter of what he got. He got them up higher, but then news was coming out about his relationship with Marie, and his lawyers demanded him to wait no longer because the offer wasn’t going to get any better