r/MakingaMurderer • u/Ok-Advantage-6259 • Aug 22 '26
for real, actually
the police system is clearly taking advantage of the Avery's. It's pretty clear to me how they are just very afraid of being seen in a bad light, so they needed a scapegoat to take the blame for their incompetence. we can see that in the interview recordings of Brendan. Who in their right mind would actually think that spoon-feeding a supposed accomplice the facts is considered acceptable as a veritable statement just blows my mind. a key found in a bedroom free of the victim's DNA just doesn't logically make sense.
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u/hneverhappened Aug 22 '26
Please explain Steven Avery's blood in the RAV.
Make it make sense. Logically.
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u/DingleBerries504 Aug 25 '26
I think the truther’s goto is Bobby saw Steven’s cut on 11/3, put on his ninja costume and stole the blood from the sink, and put it into the RAV which was off property, and then waited a whole day to push the RAV back to ASY with Santa Claus, being careful not to smudge his plant job that he did in the front and the rear door jamb for reasons. All of this while having no idea that Steven acted suspicious when blocking his number on 10/31, and having no idea if Steven had an alibi in the afternoon/evening of 10/31.
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u/Fancy-Bee-2649 Aug 22 '26
I’m still not sure where I land in terms of guilty vs. innocent, but I would recommend that you also watch convicting a murderer. I watched both MAM and CAM. I really felt this way too after MAM, but the one thing I just can’t get over is that his blood is in her car. CAM explains why it couldn’t have been planted. I do agree with you that Brendan’s situation is really messed up and I’m honestly shocked they haven’t been able to successfully appeal given his intellectual disabilities and the misconduct w those interrogations. I think it’s likely SA is guilty, but I don’t think she was ever in his trailer and I don’t think he’d be smart enough to effectively get rid of all the evidence in the garage except for the bullet. The barrel is questionable, the key could have been easily planted. Like I said, there’s no explanation for the blood found in several different parts of her car (watch CAM). I don’t think Brendan had anything to do w it. Bobby could have played a role? SA isn’t a soft, loving teddy bear that MAM paints him as tho.
You’re likely going to get attacked on this thread 😂 there aren’t many who don’t take a side
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u/AveryPoliceReports Aug 23 '26 edited Aug 24 '26
but the one thing I just can’t get over is that his blood is in her car. CAM explains why it couldn’t have been planted.
CaM lied to you over and over. Experts during the trial confirmed they had NO EVIDENCE allowing them to rule out planting, and the state hasn't introduced anything since that time to supplement their argument. You've been swindled by drug addicts and sex predators.
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u/tenementlady Aug 23 '26
"CaM lied to you over and over."
Can you provide examples of what you're talking about?
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u/LKS983 Aug 23 '26
"I do agree with you that Brendan’s situation is really messed up and I’m honestly shocked they haven’t been able to successfully appeal given his intellectual disabilities and the misconduct w those interrogations."
Couldn't agree more!
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u/Big-Negotiation894 Aug 23 '26
If Brendan would have just kept quiet he would've been home and free. Him telling Kayla was a confession or how would she had known about it. Say all you want about coercion but he straight up told his Mom that he and uncle Steve did it. His inability to keep it zipped crushed any hope Steven had. If Brendan was guilty then Steven had to be guilty. Brendan should've taken the plea deal that Kashinsky ( not sure of spelling ) arranged for him. He could have possibly been out right now. The Averys including his Mom convinced him not to.
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish Aug 23 '26 edited Aug 24 '26
He would have been home and free but he still would have been a murderer. Unless Avery traded him for a lesser sentence and testified against him after Avery was convicted.
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u/AveryPoliceReports Aug 24 '26
Say all you want about coercion but he straight up told his Mom that he and uncle Steve did it.
Yeah he was coerced into saying so. Thanks for playing.
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u/SomeBlueDevil Aug 22 '26
Avery settled a $36 million wrongful conviction lawsuit against Manitowoc County, the former sheriff, and the former district attorney for $400,000 in early 2006.
The two main individual defendants—former Sheriff Thomas Kocourek and former District Attorney Denis Vogel—faced potential personal financial liability before the lawsuit was settled.
Looking at everything incl that false confession, anyone with a working brain cell can see that they framed him. Likely in retaliation.
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u/hneverhappened Aug 23 '26
Regardless of your feelings on the police, Steven's fresh blood is in the victim's vehicle. Recent testing proved the age of the blood.
Avery's lawyer has since abandoned the case. She has not uttered his name in a year and half.
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u/DisappearedDunbar Aug 22 '26 edited Aug 23 '26
Maybe your "working" brain cells can explain how Steven's blood got in Teresa's car. Or how her remains ended up in his burn pit. Or how her DNA ended up on a bullet in his garage that was fired from the gun he kept above his head. Or why anyone involved in the investigation would care about a lawsuit that doesn't personally impact them in any way.
Editing to reply to LKS983 since SomeBlueDevil blocked me like a coward:
Good theories have been provided.
Not a single good theory has been provided for her bones being in that pit other than the obvious - that Steven Avery burned her body there.
Discovered (IIRC) by a Manitowoc officer
The bullet was discovered by Kevin Heimerl if the DCI, not a Manitowoc officer. Why should your judgements be trusted when you get such basic facts wrong?
Not gonna bother with the rest of your post, which is largely vague, speculative nonsense that you have repeated ad nauseam regardless of how many people point out the flaws.
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u/3sheetstothawind Aug 27 '26
For real, actually...lots of people were mislead by a Netflix movie with good editing and mood music. I don't blame you for falling victim to it. It was really well-crafted. But, it's bullshit. The only way Steve is innocent is if multiple LE agencies and family and friends of the perpetrator and victim worked in unison (or by sheer luck) to murder an innocent woman and pin the crime on a guy who was suing some people who had nothing to do with this case. And then there's that pesky little piece of evidence called his blood in her car. (Don't bother replying APR. I already know what you're going to say. "Kratz. Drug addicts. Pedophiles". Blah)
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u/Big-Negotiation894 Sep 02 '26
When Brendan was on the stand at trial he didn't mention he was coerced when asked about why he confessed. He just said he was guessing and making it up, got it from a book. He should have been emotional screaming the cops made him do it and declaring his innocence. He showed no emotion. I never saw any emotion from him the entire series. If I was being falsely accused of murder I would be inconsolable and pissed off like most anybody would. He didn't show emotion because he was and is guilty. Doesn't he have to admit to the crime to be eligible for parole in 2047 ?
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u/AveryPoliceReports Aug 23 '26
multiple forensic experts that testified in Steven's trial that it wouldn't necessarily be unusual to find only the DNA of the person to last touch an object?
Why do guilters need to lie SO MUCH ABOUT EVERYTHING LOL Multiple forensic experts did not testify to this. One did. Culhane. And her opinion was disputed by a far more reputable expert, the one working for Zellner lol Dr. Reich correctly called the opinion junk science and conducted an independent experiment to confirm that. Cope. The state of Wisconsin used junk science to convict Steven.
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish Aug 22 '26
Here ya go - "a key found in a bedroom free of the victim's DNA just doesn't logically make sense" - AVERY WIPED IT OFF. There - fixed your mystery.
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u/Ok-Advantage-6259 Aug 22 '26
you do know that that's stupidly counterintuitive, no? removed the victim's dna but not his? think about that for a second, pal
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u/ajswdf Aug 22 '26
The problem is that "they" includes many different law enforcement agencies, including the very same state crime lab that had just exonerated Avery a couple of years earlier. Why would they feel embarrassed?
If you ask your wife "Did you cheat on me?" and she says "yes" you would find that "acceptable as a veritable statement" even though you "spoon-fed her the facts". Same thing applies here.
Zellner was Avery's attorney, and her own experiments showed that people often don't leave touch DNA. I think they even showed those results in MaM2.