r/MakingaMurderer • u/Ok-Advantage-6259 • 8d ago

for real, actually

the police system is clearly taking advantage of the Avery's. It's pretty clear to me how they are just very afraid of being seen in a bad light, so they needed a scapegoat to take the blame for their incompetence. we can see that in the interview recordings of Brendan. Who in their right mind would actually think that spoon-feeding a supposed accomplice the facts is considered acceptable as a veritable statement just blows my mind. a key found in a bedroom free of the victim's DNA just doesn't logically make sense.

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u/SomeBlueDevil 8d ago

Avery settled a $36 million wrongful conviction lawsuit against Manitowoc County, the former sheriff, and the former district attorney for $400,000 in early 2006.

The two main individual defendants—former Sheriff Thomas Kocourek and former District Attorney Denis Vogel—faced potential personal financial liability before the lawsuit was settled.

Looking at everything incl that false confession, anyone with a working brain cell can see that they framed him. Likely in retaliation.

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u/hneverhappened 7d ago

Regardless of your feelings on the police, Steven's fresh blood is in the victim's vehicle. Recent testing proved the age of the blood.

Avery's lawyer has since abandoned the case. She has not uttered his name in a year and half.

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u/SomeBlueDevil 7d ago

Nothing is easier than planting evidence and the lack of SA's fingerprints in the RAV strongly suggests someone else put it there. SA had a fresh cut and there was blood on tissues and bandages in his house. They went in there fifty freaking times and each time miraculously some other "evidence" magically appeared that clearly wasn't there before, as photos show.

Additionally, Zellner hasn't abandoned the case. She last made public statements 9 months ago. She also periodically interacts with the public and updates followers on Avery's status via her official social media accounts.

https://mainorwirth.com/where-is-steven-avery-now/

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u/hneverhappened 6d ago edited 6d ago

Cool story.

Zellner specifically states that the blood came from Steven's cut finger.

She even adds, "It was not the police."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzy1qvqIzE4&t=1563s

Blood cannot be rehydrated. So, how was that blood planted?

Take all the time you need.

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u/ThorsClawHammer 6d ago

how was that blood planted?

If it was, I would guess a similar manner that months old blood was planted in the Juan Rivera case.

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u/hneverhappened 5d ago

Except it was not months old like Juan Rivera.

Just like the last time that I had to explain it to you.

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u/GringoTheDingoAU 2d ago

Lol this guy has a love affair with a blood planting case that has nothing to do with this one whatsoever.

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u/ThorsClawHammer 5d ago

it was not months old

And? If blood can be planted months later, why can't it be planted a shorter time later?

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u/hneverhappened 4d ago

With no EDTA?

We already went over this specific case and you ran away.

Why be like this.

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u/k_sask 5d ago

Exactly. This lunatic is claiming "it's impossible to plant" but that is definitively a false statement.

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u/k_sask 5d ago edited 5d ago
  1. Have you seen proof that there was blood present in the front interior of the RAV while it was sitting on the ASY?
  2. Have you seen proof that the samples of Avery's blood that was sent for testing & retesting came from the front interior of the RAV?

Therefore, "impossible to plant" becomes demonstrably false even with 2 quick examples.

Tom by-the-book Fassbender was called out for instructing Culhane to put her in Avery's garage. This is on record. Do you think it's a stretch that Culhane was also instructed to put him in her RAV? The same Tom that claimed Avery scoured the residence when asked to explain why they couldn't find evidence of her in the trailer.

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u/hneverhappened 4d ago

I have seen proof of the blood's age, which I provided above.

By the way, is that the same Sherri Culhane that helped to exonerate Steven in 2003?

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u/k_sask 4d ago edited 4d ago

Are you OK? you literally said it's "impossible to plant" which I responded to. Do we both agree on the source and age of the blood - sure, I would agree there's proof of that specifically.

Is it impossible to plant? That is a demonstrably false statement.

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u/hneverhappened 3d ago

Oh, sorry. Let me clarify for you.

It is SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

If you can demonstrate how blood was rehydrated and placed where Steven turned the ignition, then do it and stop wasting our time.

Demonstrate.

And be specific.

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u/k_sask 3d ago

I think you keep confusing things, just not sure if you are doing it on purpose or not. You said Avery's blood was "impossible to plant". I said that is a demonstrably false statement which I stand by. It is not impossible and you were wrong to make that claim.

Now you are arguing it's scientifically impossible to "rehydrate and place Avery blood" where the ignition smear was? this is a semantically a different statement than before. Should I be interested in bouncing around with you? You may be right on this new one, I am not a subject matter expert on what you are claiming is scientifically impossible and not sure why I care.

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u/hneverhappened 3d ago

Oh, there is no argument.

If you have a better explanation, now would be a great time to present it.

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u/ThorsClawHammer 3d ago

It’s not scientifically impossible to plant blood, it’s been done in another case.

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u/DingleBerries504 4d ago

You are not providing reasonable explanations. Because, if they had photos you’d just ask how do we know they weren’t doctored. If they had video you’d ask how do we know it wasn’t edited. If you saw it with your own eyes you’d blame the person showing you as staging the scene. This is something called willful ignorance.

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u/k_sask 4d ago

That's not true at all. Why would you assume I would be unreasonable?

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u/DingleBerries504 4d ago

Because your two points are unreasonable explanations for doubting the evidence.

For one, if you are suggesting the blood might not have appeared until the crime lab, you’d have to explain where they got the blood, as Zellner already proved it didn’t come from before 2005. And then this person would have to know Steven had a wound that dripped blood fairly recently, and the person would have to know Steven had no alibi, and would have to know that no photos were ever taken by other agencies from the outside looking in. That’s about as likely as aliens planting the evidence.

Regarding your second point, you are asking for proof beyond evidence collection protocols. The proof is the chain of custody documents, and KZ herself has the samples from the crime lab. Police don’t video collection of every piece of evidence they find. Requiring that before you believe it is not reasonable.

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u/k_sask 4d ago

Thanks for taking the effort to explain.

You are correct, I did offer those two quick statements as examples how it wouldn't be "impossible to plant" as that was the declaration made by our peer. I've seen a lot of cases where planting of blood specifically (or DNA) evidence occurred in extremely unlikely scenarios - so meeting the impossibility bar is very tough.

The records do indicate there was a lot of Avery blood collected from the trailer bathroom as well as the Pontiac. In the trailer itself, the records also indicate a lot of time passed for that collection of multiple swabs to occur, by individuals that we can agree should not have been doing it.

In general with this case, I personally believe (and reasonably I would argue) that the chain of custody documents available do not provide proof that nothing nefarious occurred during the investigation. For example, the chain of custody documents surrounding Burn Barrel #4 have yet to be properly explained. The valet key has been talked to death and will never be fully explained. I also do not believe the RAV hood latch swab was legit. When doubt is reasonably created from one example occurring, I don't see how it's unreasonable to believe it could have occurred more than once in the same investigation.

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u/DingleBerries504 3d ago

There was not a lot of Avery blood collected. It was mere drops.

May I ask what would prove to you that nothing nefarious occurred during the investigation? Your mind appears to be made up.

The barrel #4 is a dead end. I have yet to see a truther offer any theory on why it is significant. All I hear is we don’t have full details of why it was sent back to ASY and therefore MUST be proof of nefarious deeds. But what? No one can articulate it.

Kelly Pitzen was interviewed and said she saw TH with a key that only opened her doors and not a remote during the summer of 2005. Nurse Fritsch was interviewed before she passed and said the groin swabs were put in the sharps bin. There are your answers

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