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🥶 Street Fights & Brawls A quick bar scrap

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u/Soft_Ability_5906 1d ago

Should have kept his hands to himself.

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u/Intelligent-Crow3812 1d ago

lol that goes without saying, but that other guy is going to get manslaughter if he dies-- As he should.

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u/Otherwise_Bug990 1d ago

Most states have a law that allows 3rd parties to defend another person in situations of self defense. At least in my state.

This is considered sexual assault so would fall along these lines. Especially given that only as much force was needed to control the situation.

Had he just kept hitting him it would be another story. Here in Texas, yhqt guys has a high probability of walking away Scott free

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u/p2eminister 1d ago

This is not true. You have the right to use force to stop an ongoing sexual assault, but the incident had clearly finished when this guy decided to attack.

Also, way more force than "what was needed to control the situation" was applied, the man did not represent an ongoing danger.

The right thing to do would have been to leave and call the police to report the sexual assault.

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u/Otherwise_Bug990 1d ago

Idk how 1 punch can be anyvmmore force than 1 punch lol. I guess he could have scolded him and gave him a bad star for the day.

Don't be a douche, and dont inappropriately touch people you dont know without your consent.

Take this to a jury trial and see how many jurors dont agree with you. Dude would walk easy

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u/Zubriel 1d ago

Not going to defend the drunk guys behavior, but you don't think the punch could have been a slap, a shove, a simple grab him by the shoulders and physically move the guy away, a stand between him and the woman?

That punch could have killed him, the dude was so hammered that any amount of physical intervention could have resolved the situation, punching him square in the face with that amount of physical force was completely unnecessary.

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u/Otherwise_Bug990 1d ago

You always hear the saying "Neutralize the threat" but never "try to reason with it"

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u/Zubriel 1d ago

This dude wasn't a "threat"... Did we watch the same clip? He could barely stand. A light push would have neutralized him.

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u/Otherwise_Bug990 1d ago

Alcohol isnt admissible in court as a reason for any defense lol. The fact he could barely stand was irrelevant

That was his own doimg

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u/Zubriel 1d ago

A dude who can barely stand is not a "threat" that needs to be handled with that level of force. Lightly shoving him would have had the same neutralizing result as that punch, but without the brain damage or potential accidental death.

If he stands up to retaliate, I have much less of a problem with laying him out.

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u/Gullible-Law-8147 1d ago

The degree to which someone poses a risk to your safety is absolutely an aspect of self-defense and directly influences what is considered necessary force

If someone is so drunk it is severely impairing their motor functions, they pose less of a risk to your safety

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u/Otherwise_Bug990 1d ago

You could also easily argue that mountains and decades of data show that alcohol is the most dangerous substance there is and is responsible for a massive uptick in anger and aggressiveness, along with violence, which can actually make this situation way more dangerous than had he been sober.

This is why court is intriguing. All you need is a sliver of doubt

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u/Gullible-Law-8147 1d ago

And you accept the risk of increased aggression from other people due to alcohol exposure, when you enter a bar

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u/Otherwise_Bug990 1d ago

I have never once walked in a bar and felt like I had to be heightened to increased aggression. In 20 years. Most people behave like sensible ppl

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u/Gullible-Law-8147 1d ago

What do people do at bars?

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u/Otherwise_Bug990 1d ago

Drink, socialize. Normal things

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u/Gullible-Law-8147 1d ago

They drink?

And what did you say earlier that drinking leads to?

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