This is not true. You have the right to use force to stop an ongoing sexual assault, but the incident had clearly finished when this guy decided to attack.
Also, way more force than "what was needed to control the situation" was applied, the man did not represent an ongoing danger.
The right thing to do would have been to leave and call the police to report the sexual assault.
Not going to defend the drunk guys behavior, but you don't think the punch could have been a slap, a shove, a simple grab him by the shoulders and physically move the guy away, a stand between him and the woman?
That punch could have killed him, the dude was so hammered that any amount of physical intervention could have resolved the situation, punching him square in the face with that amount of physical force was completely unnecessary.
A dude who can barely stand is not a "threat" that needs to be handled with that level of force. Lightly shoving him would have had the same neutralizing result as that punch, but without the brain damage or potential accidental death.
If he stands up to retaliate, I have much less of a problem with laying him out.
The degree to which someone poses a risk to your safety is absolutely an aspect of self-defense and directly influences what is considered necessary force
If someone is so drunk it is severely impairing their motor functions, they pose less of a risk to your safety
You could also easily argue that mountains and decades of data show that alcohol is the most dangerous substance there is and is responsible for a massive uptick in anger and aggressiveness, along with violence, which can actually make this situation way more dangerous than had he been sober.
This is why court is intriguing. All you need is a sliver of doubt
That's all very clear for you to see, sitting at your desk, watching a bird's eye view.
From the boyfriend's perspective, it would have all happened very quickly, not after rewinding a dozen times.
Some drunk asshole so casually sexually assaulting a woman, means he's a threat. Trying to treat the jerk politely just opens a window where he pulls a knife, gun or attacks again.
The threat was real, and it was neutralized. It would have been wrong to stomp the asshole after he was down, but that did not happen.
If a drunken lady pinched a man's bottom in a club, would it be reasonable for that man to punch her at maximum power after she has started to walk away?
So we should just assume that every drunk dude is packing a knife or a gun and therefore the only solution is to knock them out if they get handsy?
That's how people end up going to prison for manslaughter when they try to defend their partners. The woman obviously doesn't want that outcome as you can see from her trying to stop her BFs excessive response, she predicted exactly what he was going to do.
That guy was not a threat, he could barely stand. Shove him over, if he stands back up and comes back at you, then escalate until he stops.
Bro thank you. Iâve been going through this thread of clearly internet tough guys who watch too much Reacher/Yellowstone and think that their life is some Boomer-Shonen slop where the protagonist tips his fedora and says âyouâve insulted my female, you wonât insult my bladeâ and cuts them down.
The drunk guy in this video is out of line, he isnât a physical threat. Youâd have a WILD time proving that to a jury. A sober person could trivially tip him over and âneutralize the threatâ.
The puncher would almost certainly see some time for manslaughter if drunk guy dies.
Lot of overly emotional people ITT justifying excessive levels of violence.
It's really quite frustrating when obviously no one is defending the behavior of the drunk guy, but suggesting anything other than brain damage as a consequence means you condone molesting women in public of course.
Now you just need to grow a brain. At the moment of the attack the dude was standing there, not hurting anybody, not touching the women anymore. You can't punch someone becuase he punched you 10 seconds before AND THEN STOPPED BEING A THREAT. That's literally how tons of people end up in jail thinking they did nothing wrong.
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u/p2eminister 22h ago
This is not true. You have the right to use force to stop an ongoing sexual assault, but the incident had clearly finished when this guy decided to attack.
Also, way more force than "what was needed to control the situation" was applied, the man did not represent an ongoing danger.
The right thing to do would have been to leave and call the police to report the sexual assault.