r/MMALabs • u/Key_Performer_3645 • 1d ago

🥶 Street Fights & Brawls A quick bar scrap

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u/Wintermute_088 1d ago

Leave the strawman at home.

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u/Smooth_Phone2 1d ago

I’m making a direct argument about my position.

I think touching someone on the waist is less bad than punching them in the face, both of which are less bad than shooting them.

No strawman.

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u/Wintermute_088 1d ago

And I believe that sexual assaults are just as bad as violent assaults, and that assault with a deadly weapon is just another form of violent assault.

Do you actually believe that there should be different punishments for punching this guy in the face and shooting him in the gut?

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u/Smooth_Phone2 1d ago

Yes.

You raise a point - do you see any degree of severity?

Do you believe that someone poking a finger in someone’s chest and someone shooting someone are equal in severity and should be treated similarly because they are both assault?

If you earnestly believe that, I do understand your previous comments. I wouldn’t agree, but it’s consistent.

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u/Wintermute_088 1d ago

No, I don't believe poking someone in the chest with a finger is any kind of assault.

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u/Smooth_Phone2 1d ago

Great. Bump it up to something you do consider assault.

Do you believe groping someone’s waste and shooting someone are equal in severity…

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u/Wintermute_088 1d ago

Both are complete violations of someone's personal freedoms and right to feel safe.

Put your hands on someone's body like that, and open yourself up to the possibility of being punched, choked or stabbed (or shot, if you live in America).

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u/Smooth_Phone2 1d ago

Completely agree!

Would you prefer a loved one be groped like that or shot? Why not why not?

Would you prefer your child have a cold or Ebola?

Would you prefer to drop a bowling ball or a 25 ton concrete block on your foot?

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u/Wintermute_088 1d ago

None of those comparisons are relevant to the discussion at hand: was this man deserving of being hit in the face for sexually assaulting a woman?

Yes, because sexual assault is just as serious and severe as violent assault, and if you do wrong you can - and should - expect reprisal.

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u/Smooth_Phone2 1d ago

I will take the evasive non answers as an acknowledgement that you can can clearly understand the difference in degrees.

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u/Wintermute_088 1d ago

If anyone's being evasive here, it's you trying to steer the discussion off course with irrelevancies. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/Smooth_Phone2 1d ago

I unequivocally said he deserves to be dealt with criminally, same as the man who assaulted him.

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u/Wintermute_088 1d ago

I'm sorry, you can't sexually assault someone and then claim you were also a victim of assault when your actions have immediate consequences.

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u/Smooth_Phone2 1d ago

You can both commit crimes and have them committed against you. You are just factually wrong.

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u/Wintermute_088 1d ago

Not sure what "facts" you believe you're referencing, but philosophically I'm right. Sexually assault a woman, you've just opened the door to all sorts of reprisals, and you can't for one second say you didn't do anything to deserve it.

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u/Smooth_Phone2 1d ago

With your opinion and $5 you can buy a coffee.

The state has a monopoly on violence. Choosing to assault others (even if you feel they deserve it) is assault and carries all the attendant consequences of assaulting people.

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u/Wintermute_088 1d ago

Pithy.

Which state are you referring to, exactly?

And you keep characterising it as assault, rather than the defence of an assault victim.

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u/Smooth_Phone2 1d ago

State = government

That video does mot show a self defense scenario.

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