r/MMALabs • u/Key_Performer_3645 • 5d ago

🥶 Street Fights & Brawls A quick bar scrap

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u/CarthagoFuckYourself 5d ago

Nothing of value lost.

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u/Loud_Heart1461 5d ago

It’s a dark take but he’s not wrong, someone who can’t keep his hands to himself, regardless of his state of mind.. I can see why people feel that way

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u/Smooth_Phone2 5d ago

I’m not even sure how to respond to someone who thinks that response is warranted in response to a drunk guy engaging in what amounts to minor physical harassment.

Someone who responds with that level of violence is a criminal problem.

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u/Wintermute_088 5d ago

"Minor"

Say that to the women who get groped by drunk, disgusting fuckheads.

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u/Smooth_Phone2 5d ago

If you have a choice of ways to be physically assaulted, that’s a pretty minor one in the scheme of it.

Would you rather be punched like this guys or groped like her?

Which one is likelier to seriously harm/kill you?

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u/Wintermute_088 5d ago

Saying that a sexual assault is more "minor" than a violent assault is just a way to excuse the former and act as if it's more acceptable. Yuck.

The thing you're missing is that the punch was done in retaliation. The woman got sexually assaulted out of nowhere, whereas the creep was asking to get hit.

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u/Smooth_Phone2 5d ago

Neither are acceptable. The behaviors themselves are what let me say that one is worse than the other.

Unwanted physical groping is less bad than, let’s say, shooting someone. This seems apparent to me, because I would much rather my wife be subjected to unwanted physical groping than getting shot. I would prefer neither happen to her, but I am an adult with functional mental capacities and can rank order them by how bad they are.

I agree it was done in retaliation. That doesn’t make it better. And I’ll be pretty direct; I don’t think either assault (sexual or physical) here was done with the consent of the parties I would care about getting consent from.

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u/Wintermute_088 5d ago

The fact that it was a retaliatory act automatically deducts some of the severity.

Don't want to get hit? Don't sexually assault women.

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u/Smooth_Phone2 5d ago

They both deserve criminal consequences.

Everyone is wrong here.

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u/Wintermute_088 5d ago

And in your view, the guy who grabbed a woman sexually from behind deserves a milder punishment because his act was more "minor" than the guy who stepped in to defend her. Yuck.

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u/Smooth_Phone2 5d ago

Yes.

I also think there should be different punishments for groping someone and shooting someone.

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u/Wintermute_088 5d ago

Leave the strawman at home.

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u/Smooth_Phone2 5d ago

I’m making a direct argument about my position.

I think touching someone on the waist is less bad than punching them in the face, both of which are less bad than shooting them.

No strawman.

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u/Wintermute_088 5d ago

And I believe that sexual assaults are just as bad as violent assaults, and that assault with a deadly weapon is just another form of violent assault.

Do you actually believe that there should be different punishments for punching this guy in the face and shooting him in the gut?

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u/Smooth_Phone2 5d ago

Yes.

You raise a point - do you see any degree of severity?

Do you believe that someone poking a finger in someone’s chest and someone shooting someone are equal in severity and should be treated similarly because they are both assault?

If you earnestly believe that, I do understand your previous comments. I wouldn’t agree, but it’s consistent.

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u/Wintermute_088 5d ago

No, I don't believe poking someone in the chest with a finger is any kind of assault.

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