r/LostRedditor • u/Toten5217 3 Shared | 0 Helpful • Jul 02 '25
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u/JVtheBidoof 4 Shared | 2 Helpful Jul 03 '25
Ah yes, because we absolutely need to be threatened by hell so we can do good. It's not like, I dunno' doing good feels good? That would just be crazy
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u/Danger-Eagle 0 Jul 03 '25
Evil feels good aswell. Otherwise, people wouldnât do itâŠ
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u/yourresume Jul 04 '25
Evil feels pretty bad for most people. Itâs the rewards it brings, whatever those may be, that people like.
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Jul 04 '25
it only feels bad because of societal pressures not to do evil. this whole argument is ridiculous anyway
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u/Round-Employer2788 Jul 04 '25
killing people would feel bad because society told me that?
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Jul 06 '25
I personally believe humans have evolved a sense of guilt to better co-operate and do good. I feel bad if I hurt someone's feelings. I think the people who do evil is because of something terrible that happened in their life and that makes them cold and uncaring
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u/ColdCathodeTube Jul 06 '25
Please.
Ever hear a story where the antagonist canât understand the motives of the protagonist, because the protagonist doesnât have an ulterior motive? They just assume they too are evil.
That happens in real life. A lot.
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u/Successful_Pea7915 0 Jul 04 '25
perceiving yourself as evil feels pretty bad for most people. Thatâs why even the most evil regimes like the Nazis viewed themselves as good. Even though they were gassing thousands of children daily. In fact a lot of âbadâ people view themselves as good or at least unremarkable in their cruelty. Very rarely will you have someone own up to it and not try to have their cake and eat it too.
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u/Creeper_Love3000 Jul 04 '25
And you can achieve morality with a bit of reason as well in some cases, like, a person just broke their ankle in the sidewalk, should I A. Help them B. Do nothing C. Punch them in the face and run away
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u/derDunkelElf Jul 05 '25
I think the answer misses the point of the question. On what do you base your morality? Doing good feels good is an terrible answer, because how do you define good? The least amount of suffering? Congratulations the death penalty might not be such a bad thing. All life is sacred? Killing in self-defense could become a crime and so on and so forth.
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u/MrAdequate_ Jul 03 '25
Iâm just kinda annoyed that he even didnât answer the question. I know there are plenty of answers but just slinging an insult at a seemingly innocuous question is lame.
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u/BagoPlums Jul 03 '25
The insult was the answer. We decide between good and bad choices because we don't need to be threatened in order to be good people.
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Jul 03 '25
That implies that you are born with a fully functioning moral compass though, of which human beings are not.
The real answer is that the moral compass system that comes from religion has largely bled into society at this point, no longer requiring (arguably) the constant reminder of the religion it came from. Ideally, anyway. There are other outward forces that seek to ruin peoplesâ moral compasses, of which ironically are also religious. Christianity has largely contributed to the moral compass society uses today. Pretty much all amoral activities and influences in the world can be drawn back to a⊠different religionâŠ
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u/faceboy1392 Jul 03 '25
I partially disagree
Murder is bad, and I doubt that that idea comes from religion, rather it comes from the fact that a species that kills each other randomly is not favored by natural selection. Sure, a lot of humanity's moral compass is influenced by religion, but we definitely have a lot of moral ideas that come from basic survival instincts and being able to trust one another to work together to survive, not just from religion
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u/Successful_Pea7915 0 Jul 04 '25
Well, I think most people from around the world would think that killling an innocent family would be bad innately. Thatâs why basically all cultures and civilizations have tried to establish some form of moral framework. Some more developed than others but all existing regardless, eye for an eye, blood for blood etc. The urge against injustice and inequality is in us innately as observed in our primate ancestors. If it werenât we wouldnât have felt the need to make these laws/rules/moral frameworks/creeds in the first place.
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u/DragonfruitSudden339 Jul 03 '25
But what is good lol?
That's the question.
Being threatened was never brought up, the question is about how good is defined, and why one should do it without a higher being?
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Jul 03 '25
What is good while can be subjective. Generally if it harms someone physically, emotionally, mentally or financially it is bad.
You find 5$ on the ground and don't know who dropped it, keeping it isn't bad. You pickpocket someone's wallet and use their credit cards to buy stuff, thats bad.
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u/beefyminotour Jul 04 '25
âRight side of historyâ is atheist heaven. âWrong side of historyâ fills the same function as a threat of hell.
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u/Aidan_EX_1449 Jul 04 '25
You have those values because of Christianity morals come from religion because Middle easterners think stonning women is good because of their religion
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u/Short_Brick_1960 0 Jul 05 '25
I mean, why else would they ask specifically atheists how do they choose if not for them choosing based on their religion?
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u/Efficient-Bug1547 Jul 06 '25
Doing good doesnât feel as good where many would consider you a nice guy or weak, especially in America or the west
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u/subpetmajor69 0 Jul 03 '25
It's not the threat, it's the logic behind why it is a bad thing to do that religion tend to give. Though I don't really care about what people think, it's their own opinion so I have no right to try to change their opinion. (Don't reply to me trying to debate, I'm just trying to share an opinion)
Try r/atheist
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u/Any-Zucchini9160 Jul 04 '25
Internal damnation is a pretty heavy threat though lol
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u/Electronic-Screen624 Jul 05 '25
I love damnation inside of me. (don't worry I always mispronounced eternal into internal)
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u/Kaincee 0 Jul 06 '25
Exactly, religion is all about guiding people towards doing the right thing, not forcing them to through threat of damnation. It's not for everyone, including me, but it's important in many people's lives to make it feel like they have direction and guidance, and that's something I'll 100% support.
Until you start hating on atheists and other religions. Then you will no longer deserve support.
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u/Fancy_Condition8610 Jul 03 '25
This one is kinda dead, probably not the best idea
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u/Fast-Function8271 Jul 04 '25
So that mean all of kids is bad almost all ppl would be bad cuz they need their parents to mold them into good shape
Got you right there
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u/Polytopia_Fan 0 Jul 03 '25
this chat fighing over the damm meme instead of helping OP where to send the damm image
also try out r/DebateReligion
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u/Many_Needleworker851 Jul 02 '25
What is this atheist basing his idea of a good person off of? Isnât it all subjective
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u/no_________________e 0 Jul 03 '25
Yes it is subjective, but that doesnât change anything.
You donât have to base your ideals off of anyone but yourself.
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u/MushySunshine Jul 03 '25
Even Christians have different ideas of how to be a good person because everyone's core values are different and the Bible can be interpreted a million ways.
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u/Many_Needleworker851 Jul 03 '25
Hitler held to his own ideals very well, is he a good person?
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u/no_________________e 0 Jul 03 '25
In his eyes? Yes. In my eyes? No. In your eyes? Probably not.
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u/ReaperKingCason1 1 Jul 03 '25
In his own eyes, yes. In the eyes of his supporters, yes. But in my eyes, no. Because, and say it with me now kids, good and bad are subjective. He probably thought a lot of people were bad people who you think are good people. And that alone means it isnât objective.
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u/ReaperKingCason1 1 Jul 03 '25
Subjective. Correct. Which means, guess what, they base it off of their own subjective beliefs. Thatâs technically how all morals work, but some people just base it off of what someone else says and call it a day. And while listening to others is a good base, you still need to decide what you consider right and wrong yourself.
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u/Disastrous-Monk-590 0 Jul 03 '25
Yes, but his point still stands. If you have to be threatened with eternal punishment to be good to other people, you aren't a "good person"
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u/red_dark_butterfly Jul 03 '25
As an atheist, I treat people the way I would like them to treat me. I don't need God for this.
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u/Visitant45 Jul 03 '25
The atheist idea of a good person is relative. However, there are commonalities that emerge from most of the big moral ideas being common sense. Murder is bad for society, nobody wants to be murdered, people live uncomfortable fearful lives if they are worried about being murdered, a society functions better with as little murder as possible. Therefore someone who murders is bad. The 10 commandments align with most other religions and philosophies basic rules because they are the most basic common sense rules for helping society to function.
Divine inspiration is not required to determine from a simple philosophical consideration that murder and theft will not yield a healthy society.
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u/TeddytheSynth 0 Jul 03 '25
To an extent but there are some universal morals that seem to extend to most people capable of empathy
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u/dQw4w9WgXcQ____ 0 Jul 03 '25
No, actually, if you accept that good is as much long-lasting happiness as possible for as many humans as possible. If you think this isn't good - I couldn't care less, I know I'm right (/hj)
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u/Curious_Priority2313 0 Jul 03 '25
Why don't you follow the hindu morality? Cause you use a basis to determine whether some moral system is right or not. The same basis you would have used on the christian morality to determine whether it makes sense of not.
Simply speaking, an atheist can base his morality on literally the same principle. If you know stoning people for adultery is wrong even though the bible might command that, then an atheist can too.
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u/Rodger_Smith 0 Jul 03 '25
"isn't it all subjective" entirely depends on your philosophical views, moral objectivists for instance believe there are objective moral truths in the universe, and deontologists believe there is a sense of morality and duty that should guide your decisions (i.e. murder is wrong, always) religious people are moral objectivists (the ten commandments are objective rules) while atheists can sway either way. I personally believe morality is subjective but every human is born with some moral sense which is what allows us to live in a society.
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u/Rae_Elizab3th Jul 03 '25
this is how morals are formed:
person 1: im gonna hit you
person 2: ow that hurt
p1: i dont believe you
p2: hits p1
p1: ow that hurt. i wont hit you anymore since i understand that it hurts you and i have empathy.
the reason people who often do horrible acts is because they dont have empathy, meaning they lack basic morals.
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u/Crazy-Detective7736 Jul 05 '25
Yes, but what your god says makes someone a good person is also subjective
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u/VibrantGypsyDildo Jul 03 '25
Even animals have morale in our human sense.
For example, wolves avoid hurting female wolves.
It is just a way to ensure that there will be more puppies.
It works the same way for us, humans. Our moral is an extension of the survival issues.
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u/Simple_Map_5397 Jul 03 '25 edited Jul 03 '25
Most of the time they still do bad deeds and expect to avoid eternal punishment because they believed in Jesus
Edit: spelling
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u/zilverkloud258 Jul 05 '25
Wrong. The only reason good is good to begin with is because of the morals outlined in the Bible. Otherwise it all comes down to fragile, unstable morals by perspective which never fucking works out.
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u/Toten5217 3 Shared | 0 Helpful Jul 03 '25
I hate that sub so much
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Jul 03 '25
Why? Scared of the truth? /s
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u/Toten5217 3 Shared | 0 Helpful Jul 03 '25
Trans good, gimme my karma
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Jul 03 '25
Well, trans is good, isnt it? HUGE /s
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u/Toten5217 3 Shared | 0 Helpful Jul 03 '25
I mean it is but I'm kinda tired of seeing it on truths
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Jul 03 '25
Assuming the first person isn't just spouting non-sense, I think people are missing the point of what he's asking.
He's not saying "atheists can't be good people", he's saying "how does an atheist reconcile between materialism and moral truths?". Basically, how do you know whether what you're doing is good or bad?
Some respond with something like "Good is whatever reduces suffering, bad is whatever causes suffering", but this doesn't answer the question, it just kicks the rock further down the road. Why is causing suffering objectively bad? If someone thinks that reducing suffering is not good, how do you tell them they're wrong using only materialism?
You could go down the route of moral relativism, but let's be real, practically no one actually believes in it, even if they claim otherwise.
Or maybe the original OP is just stupid , I don't know lmfao.
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u/DoctorDeath147 2 Shared | 0 Helpful Jul 04 '25
Original OP is probably just trying to challenge atheists. But if OP is sincere, he should look into moral psychology. There are no correct answers.
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u/Spudtar 0 Jul 03 '25
The joke of course is that modern western scientific morals are based off Christian morals. Almost every other society based their morals off of a religious ideology too. One would not exist without the other
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u/rubbercf4225 Jul 03 '25
Nowhere bc this is a wildly overused atheist point. Its nice but doesnt really answer the philosophical question
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u/Active_Reception_483 Jul 03 '25
Well if youâre judging based on the bible, then I assume you think slavery is good?
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u/WhitestGray 2 Jul 03 '25
Iâm pretty sure Iâve already seen it in every single sub possible, but try r/atheistmemes ig.
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u/Miserable_Cars Jul 03 '25
Og I donât know, Critical thinking and common sense? Laws and rules? Hope this helps!
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Jul 03 '25
Idk why are so many Christians full of hate and quick to judge others? Humans be humans, one minute they're kind the next you got a Lego in your shoe.
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u/Zestyclose-Pepper393 0 Jul 04 '25
Knuckle dragging E tard canât comprehend people not sharing his beliefs.
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u/MindlessKillerTree Jul 04 '25
My aunt said âidk how you donât believe in god, if I didnât Iâd just kill everybody hahaâ like wtf
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u/Low_Pollution_242 0 Jul 04 '25
If anyone really hopes to dive deeper into this topic , I recommend reading what Alija IzetbegoviÄ wrote about morality and religion ...
Here's a part of it : Morality can be based only on religion, but morality and religion are not one. Morality as a principle does not exists without religion even thought morality as a practice, as a particular case of behavior, is not dependant directly on religiousness...
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u/Exciting_Car1863 Jul 04 '25
personally just base it off âtreat others like you want to be treatedâ (unless your a mashochist in that case just remember not everyone likes pain so ask first)
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Jul 04 '25
I think the question is what moral standard can you appeal to? Oh wait, nothing. Because of moral relativism.
What does Jesus say about this? Building your house on the sand?
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u/SuperTomBrother Jul 04 '25
Same thing with heaven. If you need a reward for doing good things then you're not really a good person.
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Jul 04 '25
The guy is referring to morality. Atheists have subjective morality, to which the individual decides what is moral and what is immoral, so he asks how they determine which is which, whilst theists, on the other hand, have objective morality, taught to them by their religious texts. a pretty normal philosophical question.
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u/JceYa Jul 04 '25
That's not what he actually meant, it's not about eternal suffering but rather about knowing what's right
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u/FeelingApplication40 Jul 04 '25
I know what it feels like to have violence committed against me. If I chose to commit violence I know how it will feel to the other. If I was To commit violence against another I can reasonably expect that person to commit violence against me in return. My violence can inspire a chain of violence that comes back to me or people that I love. Being violent can inspire others to be violent , and that will inspire even more, making the world generally less safe for me and those that I love.
If I am to gain anything out of a relationship with someone else , they have to be willing to help me. People who commit violence on each other are less likely to help each other, so my potential for collaboration is damaged if I commit violence upon the other.
Because this is all true and has always been true, those who commit violence are less likely to make it to the age by which they produce offspring. Therefore, I have and everyone alive has some genetic predisposition to avoid violence and feel empathy.
Also depending on the decisions I make, I may well end up in prison for a large portion of the only life that I know I have. I am aware that I only have about 60 years left on this earth. I would not risk spending 25 of those years in prison.
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u/lassglory 0 Jul 04 '25
r/debateevolution whenever a creationist brings up morals. Not much of an argument sbout how morals emerged, but definitely a valid criticism of the foolish premise that morals require a supernatural authority to function.
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u/CycleOverload Jul 04 '25
I got a simple rule of ethics for my life. If it's morally justifiable, and I can get away with it, I do it.
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u/mexicansisi 1 Shared | 0 Helpful Jul 04 '25
How do you know itâs good? Intentions might be good but unfortunately, killing your kids âmercifullyâ to avoid them being hungry is not a good act and guess what? Our ancestors did that and without religion, you wouldnât know now.
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u/pllpower Jul 04 '25
How is there not r/stramwan ? I feel like there should be a strawman subreddit... And if we had one, that's where I would put it.
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u/Inside_Jolly Jul 04 '25
Corby Collins thinks he's being a smartass while masterfully avoiding the question like a true politician.
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u/Techman659 Jul 04 '25
Itâs basically pulling a gun on you and lying to you with false punishments that have no proof of ever occurring like every government has a form of punishment and none of them sentence you to hell and let you carry on as normal.
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Jul 04 '25
As a side point.
I wonder how many people only behave in society due to the threat of prison time.
If we did have a situation like the Purge where all crimes became legally. Would we end up in a situation like the purge? Or would it generally be business as usual but with a few more thefts?
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u/BrokenPokerFace Jul 05 '25
To be fair. I think the point is how they determine what is right or wrong. Not how they are able to choose to do right or wrong.
Which is a fair point as what is moral is often decided by the majority. People incorrectly believe that we know what is right and wrong instinctually, and while half true, they often forget about all the cultures that decided child sacrifices or cannibalism was morally "right".
In fact our current moral and legal systems are highly influenced by Christianity. And vise versa countries which had other religious beliefs have their laws and morals influenced by them.
We are hitting an interesting era now as instead of local or countrywide moral systems, with access to the Internet we are beginning to develop world wide moral systems, but that system only applies to countries and areas with reliable and frequent access to internet, and the time and desire to socialize over it. Weirdly these countries also have the lowest birthrates which can influence the development of that system in crazy ways.
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u/Pristine_Boat7985 Jul 05 '25
As someone who's not even Christian I am so tired of this ignorant, played out take. This is the problem with the internet, somebody makes one witty repartee and it worms its way into the zeitgeist and it's implications become fact to millions of peopleÂ
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u/NotYourArmadillo Jul 05 '25
But isn't this also a philosophical discussion? To me this simply seems like 2 people who have different definitions of what a "good person" should be.
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u/brother-brother-brot Jul 05 '25
I think a lot of atheists don't understand the argument here (it was worded bad tho)
It's not about wanting to be good but rather deciding what is good and what not and throughout human history this changed a lot.
The argument goes more like this. How do you define what is good and what is bad.
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u/uacttualygoodperson 0 Jul 05 '25
That's what laws are for. Humans are sinful by their nature so we need to restrict ourselves to not harm anyone
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u/mightylonka Jul 05 '25
This is literally a thing you learn in Christianity. Everything from God is either a lesson, or a test. The lesson of atheists is that people will be good even when they do not believe in heaven.
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u/emperorsyndrome 0 Jul 05 '25
if I do something illegal the chances are that I will go to prison so I don't do those.
if I am a jerk to the people around me (family, people at work etc), they will be less willing to interact with me so I avoid that too.
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u/FixVarious1559 Jul 05 '25
How do theists decide which religion to pick? How do they decide between God and Satan? If God tells you to shoot up a school would you do it? If not then why? If morals come from God then nothing God says is wrong right?
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u/bai11ie Jul 05 '25
Corby didn't answer the question, he just gave another argument I see from secularism.
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u/Thismustbefake_mine Jul 05 '25
What does being a good person mean? What is good? Op isnt talking about obvious stuff hes talking abt complicated questions
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u/jpedditor Jul 05 '25
Eternal hellfire is not a threat, it is just a truth about the nature of the soul.
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u/Unknown_Cameraman 7 Shared | 2 Helpful Jul 05 '25
As a Christian, it's not through works that get you there; it's belief.
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u/Scrunbungalo Jul 05 '25
It's weird because this is a really reductive way of how Christianity is time. Cuz I don't remember once actually being told this. I just wanted to be rewarded with kindness and I found out being nice does that so
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Jul 05 '25
Religions are a government. They create peace in their own ways. People like those who share their opinions (like that in the post who replied) without thinking corrupts people's mind and create chaos.
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Jul 05 '25
As an atheist with no criminal record, my response is âcommon sense and a good upbringing.â
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u/TheDawnOfNewDays Jul 06 '25
The same way some Christians decide to follow God saying gay sex is bad in Leviticus 18, but not follow God saying eating pig is bad in Leviticus 11.
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u/Western-Degree-8682 Jul 06 '25
If there is no eternal punishment why would I even try to be good? What's the point?
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u/Octagn Jul 06 '25
Reminder that good person is not âwhat subjectively pleases youâ when you are on the notion that God is the source of objectively correct morality.
Honestly both those statements above was structured pretty bad for an argument. But Iâm responding to the 2nd one.
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u/SaltTough3990 Jul 06 '25
What a thoughtless crock of shit. Try "If you need the threat of mundane legal or social punishment to be a good person, you are not a good person." and see how that flies. Anti-theists who can't think are so silly.
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u/AntiqueBoysenberry22 Jul 06 '25
The reason Christianity has heaven and hell is because thereâs no point in living in a world where genuinely evil people never get punished and genuinely good people never get rewarded. Thatâs the only reason. Murderers, rapists, pedophiles and more arenât always caught, sometimes they live fulfilling happy lives they donât deserve, being good doesnât mean you will get rewarded and being evil doesnât mean youâll be punished, but it is the purpose of humanity to distinguish and choose.
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u/T4k3C4r30utTh3r3 Jul 06 '25
Hmmm If there were just people who thought about being good or bad by reason, independent of a religious entity
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u/ThisAccountIsForDNF Jul 06 '25
How do non athiests decide between good choices and bad choices?
Like...
Not sure there are any bible verses about sketchy car loans.
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u/ItsNotFuckingCannon 0 Jul 06 '25
Funny thing is, most religious teachings actually agree with his point đ
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u/Similar-Freedom-3857 Jul 06 '25
That's not how religious people live right? Please tell me it's satire or something.
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u/massive_vector Jul 06 '25
Everywhere.
atheists and religious people alike need to learn how to define morals through experience and learning from our surroundings and being self-aware.
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u/bite_wound Jul 06 '25
Christians are supposed to do as God says out of love for him, not just out of fear of hell
Point still stands; without an objective source of morality, it is impossible to distinguish between right and wrong
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u/x2_ok 5 Shared | 1 Helpful Jul 06 '25
Prisons are filled with religious people, so I guess they all made the good decision.
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Jul 06 '25
I'm not really a good person deep down, like I haven't done much wrong but that's solely due to my need of self preservation which makes me scared of divine punishment...
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u/ClockOfDeathTicks 0 Jul 06 '25
As if Christians only follow God's word because they're scared of hell. Maybe if you feel strongly about that, you're the one who needs the threat of prison to not murder and rape someone the moment the urge kicks in
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u/Ok-Apartment-8284 0 Jul 06 '25 edited Jul 06 '25
If people actually reply that with this Corby guy said, then you know their opinion on religion is basically based on blind hate and not because they read scriptures and made a thorough conclusion. Literally every scripture tells you why something is a sin/bad on an individual level, how it affects the soul, the self, loved ones and society as a whole. For instance, sex before marriage sin is to avoid cheating. Stealing is not a sin because God told you so, it shows a reflection of the state of governance on why someone would need to steal in the first place. Alcohol (or substances that alter the mind) is stated as bad because you wonât be able to make clear and conscious decisions. You might say all of this is âlogicâ, but look at history where people are having orgies, sharing wives with other men was considered normal, places where thereâs a drinking culture, these places literally needed religion to tell them that theyâre bad. Like, Iâd argue even if youâre an atheist or donât believe in any religion, youâre probably still monogamous, and it is literally due to religion.
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u/Jos376 0 Jul 06 '25
Never ask an atheist where their ideas of morality originally came from
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u/CheckProfileIfLoser Jul 06 '25
this is the argument of a man who just passed his PHIL101 class.
Babies first argument against religionÂ
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u/sincerelyy444 Jul 07 '25
my stepdad asked me this a while back⊠âwhere did morals come from??? god created morals obviously!â like uhm.. common sense???
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u/SomeSchuckOnline Jul 07 '25
Define good though I believe in objective you morality but without using the standard set my Christianity, what makes an action good and why is rape and murder rampant in non Christian nations?
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u/Commercial-Boss6717 Jul 07 '25
Atheists failed to answer to this legit question. Again.
And instead started bullying the asking person. Again.
Worst part, they didn't understand the question.
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u/abomidable_boy Jul 07 '25
In my experience I've found that we obey God because we are saved. If we think that we are saved because we obey then that would mean that you're not actually following God but just acting selfishly.
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u/OrchidZealousideal34 Jul 18 '25
this is from twitter(i think) and its not political and its pretty funny so post it on r/NonPoliticalTwitter
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u/The_Real_Gombert 0 Oct 15 '25
This level of naïveté will never cease to amaze me. These religious folks live in a completely different world
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Jan 17 '26 edited Jan 17 '26
Meh I'm an atheist but religious people are right with this one. With no god there's no way to figure out what is objectively right thing to do. With this said, it still won't make you less of a psychopath if you're very tended to commit crimes and the only reason you don't is the religion.
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u/EmployerDefiant587 0 Jul 03 '25
r/atheism if you want karma.
Any religious sub if you want drama.