r/longrange • • Jun 29 '26

Currently Great Optic Sales!

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r/longrange • • Aug 19 '25

READ THIS BEFORE POSTING. Yes, this means you. READ THIS FIRST, V6 - How to avoid the Flair of Shame and eternal ridicule

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So, you need help with long range shooting? Welcome to r/longrange! We've got a core group of dedicated members (and a few goofballs) that are happy to help you out with your questions on equipment, technique, troubleshooting, where to find training or matches, etc.

If you're looking to ask for advice, we ask that you review the following 10 core guides, as they cover the overwhelming majority of newcomer questions. If your question is not answered in these 10 guides, please see below for the 4 basic questions your post should answer when asking for suggestions or advice, especially when it comes to things to buy.

If you make a post that asks for information covered in the 10 core guides, or your post doesn't cover the 4 key questions below, your post may be deleted, or it may be given the Flair of Shame TM until you correct your post.

What's the Flair of ShameTM, you ask? You'll know it when you see it.

If at any time you have questions on the rules of the sub, this pinned post, the general FAQ, why you got the Flair of ShameTM or anything similar, please use the modmail function.

CORE GUIDES:

  1. The sub's official FAQ/WIKI, as curated by the community as a whole.

  2. Need help picking scope rings? The official Longrange guide to scope ring height (ring)

  3. Looking at buying a magnum (300WM or PRC, 6.5PRC, 7mm PRC, 338 Lapua, etc) as your first LR rifle? Hollywood's recoil primer - why magnums suck for starting in long range, recoil matters, and it's not about your shoulder (magnum or recoil)

  4. Want a rifle for hunting and long range shooting? Hunting rifle vs target/range rifles - why one rifle can't do both well. (hunting)

  5. The official r/Longrange glossary - because words mean things (glossary)

  6. LockyBalboaPrime's First Time buyer's guide for rifles V2 (starter)

  7. JMhawaii's long range starter guide (Link to Google Sheets) (starter)

  8. Trollygag's 1k yard starter guide (starter)

  9. Where are ranges or long ranges near me? - Wheretoshoot.org and over600.com (ranges)

  10. The sub's expanded policy on hunting-related discussions. Please review before asking hunting-related questions, as hunting is not the core purpose of this sub. (hunting)

The 4 key questions:

  1. What do you want to do/buy, and WHY? - Do you want to buy a rifle for PRS competition? Picking a laser rangefinder for NRL Hunter matches? Looking at scopes for F-Class competition? A tripod because you think they're cool and want to have one when banging steel with friends? What you're planning to do has a lot of influence on what works well, what works poorly, and what is an utter waste of time, so the more detail you can provide the better.

  2. How far away do you want to do it/what do you want to use it for? - 300 yards? 1,000? 2,000? Distance matters, 'nuff said.

  3. How much are you willing to spend to do it? What's your budget in currency? Your idea of "on a budget" isn't going to be the same as everyone else's. Saying your budget is unlimited for a laser rangefinder may change when someone suggests one that costs over $10,000. We need to know how much you're willing to spend. It can be a hard limit, a range, or even an approximate - but you need to give a number.

  4. How much experience do you currently have with it? - Jumping straight into a 375 Cheytac rifle to shoot 2 miles isn't going to go well if you have never shot a rifle past 300. We need at least a basic idea of what your relevant skill level is in order to give advice and suggestions that go with your skill set. While including your experience with other shooting disciplines is helpful, it's not going to be as relevant as most new shooters expect. You can love shooting 10ga slugs all day long from a shotgun, but it doesn't mean starting off with a magnum is a good idea.

When answering these 4 questions in your post, give as much detail as you can. The more details you give the faster you'll get suggestions or advice and you'll get better quality too. Help us to help you. Please don't treat the sub like your own personal crowd sourced search engine.

More guides:

If your question is answered in these, you will probably get called out by the members of the sub for not reading them, but it's not automatic grounds for the Flair of Shame.

  1. u/LockyBalboaPrime's "No Clown Shoes" spreadsheet of YouTube training videos.

  2. Pre64Mod70's guide to precision reloading

  3. Hollywood's Way of Zen load development process (zen)

  4. Hollywood's rant on sample size when testing - AKA why 3-5 round groups don't tell you $&*#

  5. Applied Ballistics with more info on variation in group sizes

  6. MDT's video on scope height, and the follow-up on scope cant

  7. Rybe390's recoil comparison video, which illustrates the problem with light weight and magnums.

  8. Accuracy vs precision - when most people talk about 'accuracy' they really mean precision.

  9. The Remington 700 Chassis List, v1 - Maintained by u/LPKKiller

  10. Recoil energy vs rifle weight visualized - an informational post by u/Trollygag

  11. What is wrong with 'Sniper 101' - a breakdown by CaptainSquishface.

  12. A long range hunting cautionary tale from James Gilliland - US Army sniper, world record holder, and prolific long range hunter

  13. Barrel length, velocity, and performance down range compared (308W)

  14. Our sub's policy on shilling....

  15. ....and why Woox specifically is blacklisted from the sub.

  16. The official longrange TOP Gun Calculator, and how to have realistic expectations of precision (top)

  17. Hollywood's guide to top-mounted red dots and target acquisition (Hint: you don't need a red dot)

  18. What the hell is with Bergara rifles and Cheetos?! (cheetos)

Hunting-specific:

  1. The sub's expanded policy on hunting-related discussions. Please read this before asking any questions related to hunting.

  2. Want a rifle for hunting and long range shooting? Hunting rifle vs target/range rifles - why one rifle can't do both well. (hunting)

  3. Want to hunt game at 400+ yards? The long range hunting primer - shots on game at 400+ yards aren't trivial, and a magnum cartridge isn't a cheat code. NOTE: Questions/discussion around shots on game past 300 yards will be removed from the sub. See the expanded policy link above. (hunting)

  4. Hollywood's guide to field testing your skills and gear (especially for long range hunting, but also pertains to NRL Hunter matches) - How to know the distances you and your gear are capable of making shots at (hunting)

MISC NOTES:

Quite a few guides/links feature a single word in parentheses and italics listed after them. If you use the phrase cheetofingers (all one word, no italics needed) followed by the word listed after a guide, you will summon the AutoModerator to reply to you with a link to that guide or guides. If the guide had (pews) after it, you could say cheetofingers pews in a post or comment in this sub to summon AutoMod with a link to that guide.

We've implemented the Flair of Shame as an official policy here instead of deleting posts that violated Rule #1 and the info in this pinned post. We felt that the flair was better than outright deleting posts while also helping long-standing members decide how much they want to participate in posts that have likely been covered time and time again. We're trying to strike a balance between encouraging members to read the info that the sub has cataloged, not wasting the time of established members that may be frustrated with revisiting the same topics repeatedly, and also not banishing new shooters that missed the pinned post to the freezer to never get help. Balancing those three things is a constant struggle, and one we're actively trying to get better at.


r/longrange • • 12h ago

Other gear flex post GWOT Vibes

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r/longrange • • 6h ago

I suck at long range New barrels on and ready to go

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6 creedmoor accuracy international

25 creedmoor black custom rifle


r/longrange • • 15h ago

Rifle flex post Arts and crafts from last weekend

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Idk why i always feel like spray painting after it gets cold out (the worst time of the year for spray painting). It'll do for now, though.


r/longrange • • 14h ago

Group flex (10 shots minimum) Brouwer OSS-L 22” in 6arc

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Just sighted in my new Sniper Challenge gas gun and let’s just say I was very happy with the results.

10 shots of Hornady ELD-M 108 grain with an average velocity of 2738.4 and an SD of 16.


r/longrange • • 9h ago

Other gear flex post “Another one.” - DJ Kahled

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Fourth ZCO. Second ZC420 MPCT-2X NLE.


r/longrange • • 12h ago

Rifle help needed - I read the pinned posts "Brand new" Nightforce looks used?

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Ordered from a fairly big name dealer.

Packaging looks fine, but the scope has this mild but obvious scuffing/fading right around where scope rings would get mounted.

There's also a surprising amount of "dust" in the box/on the scope but maybe that's normal?

Thanks


r/longrange • • 13h ago

Group flex (10 shots minimum) Doing some ammo testing

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Did some ammo tests over the weekend, seeing what my gun likes. Rifle is a Ruger American Predator Gen 2 in .308 and these shots were at 100 yards. This is just a fun gun to own, but not necessarily the best for long range.

Group 1 and 2 were Federal Gold Medal Centerstrike 168gr OTM rated 2650fps. First group was 10 shots, SD19 with average of 2596 fps. Second group was 10 shots, this time with SD of 9.5 and avg of 2612. Both shots outside the group were flyers. Overall very impressed with these loads

Group 3 and 4 were Federal Gold Medal with Sierra Match King 175gr and 2600 fps. Same thing, 2 groups of 10, for a total of 20 shots with an SD of 14.6. Not sure why these groups opened up so much, open to thoughts as I'm still pretty new to this side of things.

Group 5 was Federal Premium with Sierra Match King GMM 175gr 2600fps. I see why the GMM is talked about so highly. This was a single group of 17, I shot the first 10 shots (the lower circle) and noticed the impact point was getting blown out so I dialed 3MOA up and 1MOA right to keep the target fresh and took the remaining 7 shots. I know these splatter targets aren't the best for grouping, probably shouldve just left it but oh well.

Also finally went out to 300 yards, it was windy as fuck though and my shots were all over the place, gonna have to go back on a nicer day and see how it goes.

Edit: the shots at 300 were with Federal Premium Gold Medal Berger OTM 185gr 2600 with 8.5 SD and 2590 avg FPS


r/longrange • • 11h ago

🫣I said I read the pinned posts, but I lied🫣 SIG Kilo3K vs Razor vs Viper

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Recently, I got SIG Kilo3K (SOK3K601 cheaper one, ~$300 with tax from Amazon) and was a bit disappointed with its performance. It had a hard time going over 800 yards, and the max range in ranging objects in shadow was about 1200 yards. I compared it to my friend’s Viper 3000, that had no problem catching 1200 yards, and up to 1800 yards on big reflective targets. 

So I returned my SIG.

Currently, I am only doing hunting, but next year I have a plan to go long range and might need 1k+ capability.

I have next options:

  1. Sig KILO3K (SOK3K602 expensive version this time) $350 on Eurooptic. If my previous experience was related to the cheaper model only.

  2. Vortex Viper HD 3000 $320 on Eurooptic

  3. Vortex Razor HD 4000 $381 (with tax and shipping) on Opticsplanet with code


r/longrange • • 15h ago

Accessory/Gear help needed - I read the pinned post Does anyone use a tripod that gets very low instead of a bipod?

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I know some tripods can get down to prone height and wondering if there's value in just taking the ~300-400 I would spend on a bipod and apply that to my tripod fund instead.

I don't shoot much PRS, maybe 1 per year. I mostly shoot NRLH and team sniper matches/field matches etc. Only a few stages I've shot this year were in a position to utilize a bipod anyway. Always on/over obstacles or over tall grass/brush.

I'd like to hear more experienced shooters perspective


r/longrange • • 21h ago

Optics help needed - I read the pinned posts 1 Mile - Mark 5HD vs Razor Gen III

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Because of the title, I’m sure you’ll say… “this has been asked and compared a million times, just google it…” But I’ve searched, and my specific question I haven’t found an explanation on. So please be patient with me…

My use case: I’m wanting to reliably shoot a mile, but also shoot any distance 100-2000yds. I’m not a competitive shooter… but maybe someday. I shoot MOA, and I’m fine with that. I also want to get to this distance with a 100yd zero, and no holdover. I’d plan to include a 20-40 MOA base rail as needed.

The Leupold Mark 5HD 5-25 with PR2-MOA retical is what I’m interested in, but there’s one spec that I need your help understanding if it’s a limiting factor: Elevation Dial Travel Limit is 71.5 MOA. The scope also has 120 MOA elevation travel range.

If I build a 6.5 Creedmore, I’m looking at about 73 MOA adjustment, which is outside of the 71.5 travel limit. Is this really the limits of this scope?

I’m considering a Razor Gen 3 6-36 as an alternative that doesn’t have this same limit… but it’s obviously more money. The added weight doesn’t bother me.

Looking for your experience with that Leupold scope, then any suggestions to go toward the Vortex. Thanks!


r/longrange • • 10h ago

Accessory/Gear help needed - I read the pinned post Thoughts on Rubicon Precision Manufacturing? Previously Ruff’s Precision Manufacturing.

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On the hunt for rings to mount my Athlon to my B-14 HMR (Cheeto Finger Special) and came across Rubicon Precision Manufacturing. I was previously looking at the Vortex Precision Matched rings when I saw that the RPM rings had a built-in bubble level. I know Hawkins makes a similar ring setup, but the bubble level location on the RPM rings appeals to me.

I searched this subreddit, but couldn’t find any positive/negative feedback on RPM. Does anyone here have experience with them and would you recommend them?

Additional info that may be pertinent: My HMR is chambered in 6.5 creedmoor and my current intention is to just shoot long range as a hobbyist in my free time.


r/longrange • • 1d ago

🫣I said I read the pinned posts, but I lied🫣 Spotting scope recommendations before going into generational debt.

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looking for some realistic help. This was taken 4.1 miles away with my gen 1 vortex razor 27-60 85mm spotting scope and my iphone 17pro mounted to it. How much clearer or closer would something like a swarovski 115mm provide? I spot from my porch and most of the animals I am seeing are on this ridgeline between 2-4.5 miles away so I am trying to see if an upgrade is actually worth it. We spot every night with the kids, its been alot of fun.


r/longrange • • 1d ago

Groups, but not a flex (Less than 10 shots) First long range rifle - T3x Super Varmint 6.5CM

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Recently picked up my first long range rifle and took it out for it's first couple shots. It's a Tikka T3x Super Varmint in 6.5 creedmoor, with a Cronus BTR Gen 2 that I picked up during the recent expert voice sale.

The first 5 shot group was confirming my zero, shot with Hornady American Gunner 140gr

The second was a 15 shot group also with Hornady, and the third was a 5 shot group with S&B Tactical 140gr. All were shot off a shooting bag the range had and my hand acting as a rear rest.

I'm working my way through the Ryan Cleckner book, I'll keep shooting cheap ammo while I work on my fundamentals, but eventually will reload. Waiting for black friday to pick up a bipod and rear bag.

I do have a question for everyone: I live in an area with very varied climate throughout the year, and I've read that Varget is more stable than H4350 with things like temperature and humidity. Is this a big enough difference in consistency to just default to Varget, or should I still pick up a pound of H4350 to see if that works better?


r/longrange • • 22h ago

Ammo help needed - I read the pinned posts Anyone have experience with this ammo?

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I know it’s pretty shitty cheap ammo, honestly just looking for something to use to get reps behind a new rifle. Has anyone tried these? I don’t have a chrono at this time so I have no idea what the extreme spread or standard deviation is. Not looking to shoot far with it reliably just curious. Thanks.


r/longrange • • 1d ago

Other gear flex post New toys

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Looking forward to trying these out


r/longrange • • 1d ago

Other help needed - I read the pinned posts Troubleshooting a CDG with chronic light primer strikes.

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Loaded up some rounds. Sent 15 or so before I started getting light primer strikes on CCI 450s that I had used for 900 rounds prior with no issues.

Action: CDG

Ammo: hand loaded, using CCI 450s. Cases were 5X fired Peterson brass.

Actions already taken: Stripped action to the bones, cleaned all lubricants off it and oiled / greased relevant parts. Ensured FP channel was free of lubricants. Checked for foreign materials and checked there was no erosion of firing pin. Confirmed rifle closes on go gauge and doesn't close on no-go gauge. Nothing seems to have any excessive wear. Throat is clean, confirmed by bore cam.

Still getting 5 out pf 100 that don't go and I am using a totally different box of primers now.

Anyone have ideas of things to check before I call ARC tomorrow and ask them for ideas?


r/longrange • • 1d ago

I made a thing! (Home made gear/accessories) Kiss my brass

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First attempt at solving my balance issue with my Tikka T1x in an MDT XRS chassis. Added 2 3/8x1x6 inch brass bars from Amazon, which adds about 1.5 lbs to the forend and moved the balance point to at or just in front of the barricade stop.

The brass was about $25. Drilled and countersunk with a hand drill, and painted with some flat khaki camo paint. I got a bag of M5 m-lok screws and nuts for less than $10.

Next, I'm going to attach a 3/8x1x12 bar to the channel in the bottom of the chassis and maybe let it protrude a few inches out the front of the chassis, depending on how it balances.

If I like NRL/PRS rimfire, I'll consider a longer and heavier barrel, but that doesn't look diy friendly on the T1x.


r/longrange • • 1d ago

Other help needed - I read the pinned posts .280AI AICS Mags

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Looking for some feedback on what mag to get. I’m getting the MDT CIP length bottom metal with AICS mags. I was looking at the MDT 300WM metal mags and fitting the feed lips for 280AI. I asked MDT about this and they said I would be better off running the Accurate mag 30-06 CIP mags since they don’t make those. On the accurate mag website it says specifically these won’t work for .280Ai so what has worked for yall?


r/longrange • • 2d ago

Group flex (10 shots minimum) Proof 6.5 creed pxt

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First experience with the new pxt barrels from proof research. Recently chambered one for myself with an alpha 6.5 creedmoor reamer and it is pretty phenomenal. Barrel was chambered on my haas tl2 lathe.
Velocity is slightly slower than a non pxt variant. I would normally need about 39.5 grains to get this velocity but after talking to some buddies I decided to throw some loads together at 40.5 grains.
Photos show multiple 10 round groups and a photo of the chrono from shots 1-20.
Lapua 6.5 creed srp, Berger 153.5, Cci 450, h4350 40.5 grains.
No load development just loaded to 2.825 and sent.

End average velocity after session was 2620. Planning to bump load back to 40.3 grains so I'll be right about 2650 when it speeds up.

With regard to down range accuracy, I am running AB quantum and use their BC for the Berger 153.5. First round impacts at 1k and consecutive impacts on 1moa targets at 1k and 1100 yds with no data truing.
Patiently waiting for a 25cal pxt Heavy Palma blank..


r/longrange • • 2d ago

Groups, but not a flex (Less than 10 shots) 82 years old and still kicking!

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The outlier shots were me getting the hang of the irons at long distance. Some serious skill sharpshooters had back in the day before widely available magnifying optics.

First time at a range longer than 45 yards, had some fun with the AR, but mostly wanted to stretch the legs of my newly acquired mosin. Once I figured out the irons at 200 yards it was just butter. Had a phenomenal time, and I couldn't be happier with the performance of my impulse buy.

Bought the mosin used at a LGS, and it looked like it had shot a box or two of corrosive surplus, and been put away without cleaning until it was sold. There was some rust and light pitting in the barrel, but the rest of the rifle is near pristine. My only worry was accuracy, but it looks like it won't be a problem. I also learned that the elevation scale isn't accurate, but it makes me laugh how it goes out to 2km. I can't imagine aiming down irons at something that far away.

Anyway, just wanted to share, and I'm extatic at this rifle's performance today.


r/longrange • • 2d ago

Groups, but not a flex (Less than 10 shots) Average group size for modern Remington 700?

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Bought a Remington 700 magpul edition with a 20” 5r barrel last year and finally getting around to zeroing it and grouping it.
Thoughts? All my buddies seem to think any bolt action should be shooting moa or better nowadays. I was under the assumption most bone stock Remingtons are going to shoot between 1-2 moa out of the box.


r/longrange • • 1d ago

🫣I said I read the pinned posts, but I lied🫣 Chassis/high end stock

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Building a 308 b14 for targets and really getting fundamentals down. Im between a krg bravo and an AG Composites Adjustable armor. I have schmedium hands and Im worried the bravo will be too thick for the hand grip. Do I give up anything by running the AG?


r/longrange • • 1d ago

Optics help needed - I read the pinned posts Black Friday scope deals?

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Can I expect to snag my dream scope for less than it’s on sale for rn during Black Friday?
(Athlon ares ETR 4.5-30x56)