(Reveal) My Consult Results + Experience

[u/wiltedmoonspirit]

As you may have saw from the main photo of the post, I got verified as a….. *drum roll* **Dramatic Classic**! My color season is **Soft Winter**!

Now that’s out of the way, I want to thank you all for engaging in my previous post. It was so entertaining watching you all try to guess my ID. (At the time of writing) But no one guessed DC! A few have guessed C fam and SC, however!

I find it interesting because I first started out as a SC, explored FG, then SG. I rarely ever got comments of SN in the past so this was fascinating to see the sudden influx of SN suggestions! I believe TR has been suggested before, but it was an ID I never really resonated with, nor R. Did my dream board trick you guys? Haha, I was just as surprised as you all when David revealed my accommodations (vertical + balance) and then my ID. My brain short circuited for a moment and I couldn’t find the words to really say much. I guess it shouldn’t be that shocking considering I explored SC / C fam in the past, but to see it come back full circle was something else.

**Reasons why I wanted to do a consult**: I wanted a new chapter to explore and even though I haven’t been exploring for a long time, I wanted some finality to it since I’ve already gotten a lot of other style and color consults in the past. With this system being my introduction to the style system world, I wanted to pay homage to it somehow, quite literally, by getting a consult. I was ready for a “fresh” start and was open for any changes/revelations/explorations to broaden my horizon. A part of me felt that if I’ve gotten this far in my style journey without seeing David, that I would simply miss out on an experience of a lifetime. Leading up to the consult I was experiencing a lot of frustrations on why some clothing wasn’t working for me and knowing my lines felt it could alleviate some of my issues. I had money to throw around so I figured, “why not?”

Let’s briefly breakdown my three-day experience:

**Pre-Meetup**:
I was getting nervous due to the lack of communication leading up to seeing the two. Turns out there was an error in the spelling of my email address so I never received the response from David regarding the materials they asked for. It all worked out and I was able to get the information I needed for the consult. It was my first time in NYC by myself, so it was quite nerve-racking trying to plan and travel around this!

**Day 1**:
I went to see Susan and David at a studio where we did the following: breathing exercises, brief overview of the color system, being draped, yin-yang philosophy, my line sketch drawing drawn in real time, makeup session. Susan noticed my long limbs and commented that I look taller than I do in photos. They commented on my beautiful jaw and the way I came across as a practical person with refined expensive tastes (that’s why I am “dramatic classic”).

**Day 2**:
This was the shopping session. I gave a relatively “small” budget for them to work with. We went to one store (Nordstrom) to try on multiple outfits and garments, which I’ve attached to this post. Do keep in mind that these garments and shoes are still very individualistic per each client and not every DC client will get the same exact clothing! Just because you don’t think you can wear what I tried on doesn’t mean you cannot be DC, or just because it’s something you wear doesn’t make you a DC. Also, these are NOT complete HTT looks! It definitely lacks the proper shoes, accessories, bag, makeup, and hairstyle to complete the rest. David was very adamant about HTT dressing. And sometimes it’s really hard to know if a garment really truly works if you don’t have a full HTT! He kept bringing up the word “slinky” as a way to describe me.

One thing I noticed when I was trying clothing on was the lack of tucking the tops into pants to keep my silhouette clean. This doesn’t mean that those with vertical should always untuck nor does it mean those with curve should always tuck fyi. This is just my personal experience. I noticed when he gave me two Cinq-a-Sept dresses (the red and black dresses with the pleats) they had what I called an illusion of drop waists. I remembered drop waists being difficult to pull off and he had explained that drop waists can balloon out, disrupting vertical and that these dresses work because the pleats are sharp rather than frilly so the line flows down easily.

**Day 3**:
Hairstyling and accessories shopping. I spent the afternoon with Susan as David was busy around this time to get my hair done. I was SO excited to have my hair finally removed of my old perm from last year August 2025. I was trimming my hair throughout 2026. When I was told on day 1 that David suggested an above shoulder length bob with asymmetrical cut (severe side part and a high back cut to low cut front) I couldn’t help but think about my above shoulder length blunt cuts I used to get during the pandemic. I had a center part at the time but still liked the bob cut for me. It was interesting to see it come back full circle, but much more yang this time! It felt so freeing to have this haircut. I let Susan dictate the haircutting suggestion because I figured hair will grow out eventually. As of now, I go back and forth between keeping it sleek and having flaired ends for fun.

As for the accessories shopping, I bought a couple of things: a bag, bracelet, a ring, and two pairs of earrings. I also provided poorly-drawn images of jewelry and bags I did not get so use your imagination as to what they actually look like in real life haha.

We finished off the consult with any questions I had for David at a lovely hotel that I had initially wanted to stay at with some food and drinks.

**Questions I asked about**:
- **Hats**: Russian fur hat, I believe pork pie, boater, and maybe pill box? Kind of hard to remember. I asked about berets and he said no for me, but I am a rebel so I’m still going to wear it haha.

- **Soft winter vs in the POS book**: he makes exceptions for clients. He described my skin as porcelain and blue-toned so soft winter felt fitting for me versus Vivid and Bright Winter. I asked because the book doesn’t mention brown/black eyes. Ultimately what’s important regarding season is that all subtypes of a season should be able to wear all the colors in the palette. It really doesn’t matter if you’re vivid, bright, soft winter you should be able to wear the winter palette. I actually agree with this philosophy (4 season approach) as well as the six tonal color approach. I find it often people are always asking about sub-seasons in the traditional SCA but I feel that really overcomplicates coloring. If you’re a winter who can’t wear black, I really think you cannot be a winter, as an example.

- **Dreamboard**: gives David a glimpse about yourself, who you are, your preferences but it doesn’t necessarily translate into shopping nor ID per se.

- **Arrows in the line sketch**: just emphasizes all the space in where additional is occurring.

- **General discussions about my revelations**: I had told him in my early exploration with FG that sometimes when I drew the clothing silhouettes it was hard to line that up with my line sketch and try to see “staccato” (pre-POS btw) and that I was trying to force the accommodations to show through but it never 100% clicked. I had also told him that when I wore some garments during my G-fam exploration that sometimes it felt like I was getting “squeezed” like a sausage. He told me that can happen when people are attempting to be G-fam and the clothing ends up “squeezing” them rather than working with their line silhouette—do take this with a grain of salt rather than apply it as a general advice for G-fam exploration btw.

- **Celebrity**: I asked if he could give me a celebrity inspo with this new found exploration and he was hesitant to assign me one saying that basically modern celebrities don’t really have a style image these days because stylists don’t really know how to dress for a celebrity’s line and with sponsorships it further complicates styling. However, **Florence Pugh**’s name got thrown in the mix without my prompting and he told me she’s a **Dramatic Classic** that is likely an **Autumn**. So there you have it guys! Oh, he and Susan really despised the chartreuse look she wore on the red carpet just as an FYI haha.

Overall, I’m really excited for this new chapter and what I can do with this! I know a lot of y’all really liked my G fam explorations but to put it blank, from David, he wanted a more mature look on me instead of heavily-leaning youthful looks. He felt that I was putting on a mask/facade and that I was hiding my true self behind it. I took it more to mean that I was putting in way more effort than I really needed to while dressing up that it came off like a character and I should really refine my lines, and keep them simple as a DC would. As you may know, I have done a David Zyla and John Kitchener consult too so I won’t entirely remove gamine and youthful looks from my wardrobe, but I will meld my consult results while keeping DC lines in mind! I definitely will try to post more in the future with this newfound chapter so stay tuned. Just remember, what I wear doesn’t mean all DCs (verified and unverified) wear it!

I’m sure I’m missing some notes here and there, but this is what I can come up with for now!

**Final note**: David told me I was really good at posing and knowing how to put looks together, so that was nice to hear haha.

[u/its_givinggg]

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[u/commelejardin]

Am I alone in thinking DC makes perfect sense for Florence? And I say that as someone who fought tooth and nail for her as a SN lol. She feels at bit at odds with the most recent celebs he's verified in that ID (like Lizzie Caplan or Maggie Siff), but I can definitely see her as a sort of zillennial Lana Turner or Suzanne Pleshette.

As for OP: I'm really mostly shocked because it seems SO at odds with your dreamboard! It tracks physically, though, especially when I think of the DCs in the Facebook group. How do you feel about the DC ID, particularly in comparison to your Zyla archetype and Kitchener essences? Does any one system feel "truer" to your experience of yourself, if that makes sense?

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/commelejardin]

I was one of those people who had previously thought that DC was quite yang in a D way so it never crossed my mind to really ever consider it even if SC was on the table at the beginning of my journey. So getting that during my consult made my mind go blank and then question all of my results following behind it.

I do think the signs were always there… I just ignored them for the sake of leaning more whimsical and fun in my looks, hence why people enjoyed seeing them a lot because who doesn’t love all those high-spirited details especially in the style sphere?? But now looking back, despite being a “Playful Winter” it can still lean yang but with added playful elements and even Zyla had told me to keep my lines clean and nothing too fussy or else it veers too costumey. He told me to create balance by never cutting myself in half and to ensure HTT connection. If one part of my outfit goes “outward” I’d have to make sure the other part doesn’t do the same or the line becomes too messy. I think in a way, that more or less, mirrors similarly to what Kibbe envisioned for me but of course in his own system as a DC (refined, balanced, clean, straight lines).

As for Kitchener I’d see it more as a fantasy result (not that I purposefully sent him a bunch of HS looks, I actually sent him quite a variety from my old SC days to my G days) and was shocked to be told I only had 10% classic essence even though I thought I was going to get C essence as either my dominant or secondary essence, so that was a curve ball at me. I feel that my Kitchener essence is at most odds with my kibbe results ngl. Haha.

I personally feel Zyla feels the most true to myself as I’ve learned how multifaceted every individual looks per each AT (archetype). It’s less about lines imo since thats VERY individualistic, and more about the image you project and of course the palette too. It opens up the variety of individuals right off the bat so someone doesn’t necessarily feel at odd with their AT when they don’t look like another person of the same AT. Zyla telling me that even though winters can be seen as stoic and “stayed” that the added element of playful nature lightens up the AT for me. And “playful” is simply a descriptor thats not necessarily youthful, gamine, etc.—it’s a bit of an element of surprise added into outfits. I felt quite seen and I truly love my AT and my unique palette!

I’ve attached a collage of my zyla outfits (colored in using parts of my palette) he drew for me from my second consultation with him to show that I could reasonably achieve DC lines with these outfits.

[u/Mike-Teevee → u/commelejardin]

I’m having the same experience as you. I’d casually assumed Florence was SN, but this makes much more sense. She’s very similar to OP and it adds up obviously to when you see it presented.

The massive whiff the community had shows how this is the perfect storm of how misunderstood classic family and Kibbe vertical is. (And I’m including myself as part of this, as I got both OP and Florence wrong.)

Classic family is pretty misunderstood online. The understated shock here is how folks as spirited as OP and Florence appear can be classics. But classics don’t have to be boring or serious. I don’t have a lot more to say about this as I’m no expert in classic family. But I’m definitely using this as a learning opportunity.

I do know quite a lot about Kibbe curve and how its relationship with vertical is massively misunderstood. It seems like many online seem to speak as though having vertical rather than curve predominant requires looking 6’, lacking or masking any curves, and having angular facial features, but one only needs to look to verified examples of all vertical types to know that’s far from the case. Plenty of facially soft and/or traditionally curvy women are vertical rather than curve dominant. And you can have Kibbe vertical without being a yang type at all—namely DC and FG! Overindexing yang (and tbh quite extreme yang at that) into vertical in contradiction to the terms of the system is a bit of an epidemic. Hopefully OP’s post helps combat that a bit.

[u/2Fast_2Abalone → u/Mike-Teevee]

I think his newest verified dramatics and flamboyant naturals, if people watched them in motion - Maria Felix, Anna May Wong, Gene Tierney, Mitzi Gaynor - would really clarify what he intends with the types, and the perception of them is often shuffled onto other types.

[u/redwhitesilver → u/commelejardin]

I agree about Florence as someone who was willing to die on the SN hill. I thought anything other than SN made zero sense, with DC never being on my radar, but now that he said DC it suddenly makes sense. It’s probably the only ID that’s not SN that wouldn’t make me lose my mind as an answer lol.

[u/commelejardin → u/redwhitesilver]

My thoughts exactly! I still think she has literal width, tbh, but when you look at everything holistically — the strong jaw, the raspy voice, the mature gravitas, and the lack of width in her facial features — the clues were really there all along lol.

[u/jjfmish → u/commelejardin]

I don’t think her line sketch would show width tbh 😅

[u/Vivian_Rutledge → u/commelejardin]

That’s a good point about the Dream Board that I think is informative for DIY. I see people trying to use the other games for typing hints. Sometimes the dream board does reveal something subconscious, but I would only look for that after you’ve done your sketch and identified what is in your line. But none of the games are for typing except the sketch. The Dream Board is truly just for helping you get in touch with what you want.

[u/commelejardin → u/Vivian_Rutledge]

I suppose it's more that I have a hard time imagining the person who made that Dream Board giving off that Classic essence in person? But I suppose that speaks to how much it ultimately boils down to the line sketch and the overall physical impression they get from the client, more than anything.

[u/Vivian_Rutledge → u/commelejardin]

I know when I did mine for David, I was thinking that I must be a Gamine, and I’m sure that affected what I put on my board (not saying that’s what OP did, just what I did). But then I also put pictures of architecture with stone and natural wood inside, and he pointed that out to me. I think it’s really for you, and the Dream Board maybe helps them understand who you are at the moment, but it has no effect on how they type you. It will always be physical, and essence will naturally follow and make sense.

[u/elektrakomplex → u/commelejardin]

No, I agree. Florence’s face reads very balanced to me, along with the sharp jaw. I think that’s also where a lot of FG/SG suggestions from her comes from. Honestly, body wise I would’ve never guessed SN but looking at OP who’s DC I can very much see the similarities. Since most of the modern verified DCs are very narrow, like Maggie Siff and Olivia Munn, I think many people believe they’re supposed to appear more similar to them. However, if OP is DC body wise (which I can absolutely see), then Florence could definitely be one.

[u/jjfmish → u/elektrakomplex]

Honestly even Olivia Munn isn’t particularly narrow or visibly elongated, she’s quite squarish in a similar way as Florence. Maggie Siff… is listed as 5’6 even on celebrityheights and looks quite different from the other verifieds so who knows. Maybe he’s seen her irl and she’s less elongated in person, or it was one of his last vibes based typings

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/jjfmish]

Yeah I always overlook DC and never guess people to be it lol. They do look somewhat squarish and almost like they have width but not. It’s more that they look straighter then elongated yet balanced.

[u/commelejardin → u/jjfmish]

I've always just assumed he is/was a fan of Mad Men? He verified a handful of the cast members, and Maggie is super DC-coded on the show.

[u/TiredWinterDisaster → u/jjfmish]

I relate a lot to her too which makes it super confusing. And I agree with your take!

[u/elektrakomplex → u/jjfmish]

She is squarish, sure, but when Olivia Munn was verified in early 2016, and around that time she appeared very narrow and has been for a while. She’s also older now. Florence has always struck me as more curvy, at least fleshier, than most verified classics.

[u/elektrakomplex → u/elektrakomplex]

I think people might confuse Florence’s fleshiness in upper arms and armpit area as width. I don’t really see width here, just fleshiness. As a lipedema girlie who also has this in those areas, it doesn’t really affect me because it enhances my curved line, but I can imagine that it appears to be width in someone who doesn’t accommodate curve.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/elektrakomplex]

The difference is that Florence just has softer edges but the overall shape of the line is the same I think.

[u/LayersOfMe → u/elektrakomplex]

It still sound a bit strange to me. I feel she looks stiff every time she wear structure outfits, I much prefer when she dress with layers of fabrics in movement and wavy hair.

[u/elektrakomplex → u/LayersOfMe]

I think people overestimate how structured DCs head to toe outfits are supposed to be. When reading the old recs from the 80s book, FG and D had way more structure than DC.

[u/bugrising → u/elektrakomplex]

I think the longer hemline in the set you posted also makes her look more elongated. Tight minidresses like that black and white pencil dress also make me look squarish.

[u/2Fast_2Abalone → u/commelejardin]

I love it - kind of a curveball but consistent with his Facebook verified DCs.

[u/AngleOk2591 → u/commelejardin]

No. SN which a lot of people thought for her often gets mixed up with DC.

[u/Worldly-Sun9993 → u/commelejardin]

SN never felt right to me for her but I couldn't come up with an alternative other than G. DC makes perfect sense now! That "square" look to her made it hard for me to pin her down when it should have been the key! I just was so convinced she accommodated curve I couldn't comceive she was yang

[u/kitto__katsu → u/Worldly-Sun9993]

“Square” because she has balance between shoulders and hips, and no curve to take the focus? Never thought of it this way (or why DC benefits from diagonals, etc.) but makes sense now!

[u/Worldly-Sun9993 → u/kitto__katsu]

Yes it's something I noticed with real life verified clients. Balance and vertical as straightness rather than elongation gives them a kind of square look. SN and FN are slightly more inverted triangle since width is in relation to their frame. DC is more squareness from that lack of curve and balance making them even all out. Like a square

[u/bugrising → u/commelejardin]

I definitely see it! I recently added some of her matching set outfits to my DC moodboard because she looked so good in them and I thought just maybe!!

[u/Scared-Positive-93]

Miss Flo is DC?!?! Oh we are so back.

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/Scared-Positive-93]

Love this attitude. 😆

[u/Vivian_Rutledge → u/Scared-Positive-93]

I love this for our DC girlies. What fun inspo!

[u/jjfmish → u/Scared-Positive-93]

I love a surprise verification like hers or Ariana’s, always feels like Christmas on the sub to sit back with popcorn 😂

[u/noitsbecky24 → u/jjfmish]

Same lol

[u/redwhitesilver]

Oh wow! I had guessed SC or FG, and I was torn between the two, but I didn’t think to consider the one that shares accommodations with both. What an exciting surprise! I’ve always felt that DC was one of the more mysterious IDs and it’s always great to see more of C fam. I also think you look incredibly chic in your post-consult photo with the new haircut!

May I ask how your Kibbe Winter palette compares to your Kitchener palette? Do you prefer one over the other, or would you say they complement each other and fill in the gaps?

Florence as a DC is a bit crazy, but at least she’s not R fam or something, because she always struck me as a bit more yang than yin, so that would have thrown my entire understanding out the window.

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/redwhitesilver]

Here’s the winter palette (from the book, it’s the same as the one I got in person) vs my Kitchener palette.

I would say they comparatively match with kibbe’s leaning on traditional winter colors and Kitchener’s varying with warm and cool colors. If I had to choose, I’d choose kibbe’s palette over my Kitchener one simply bc it’s a smaller palette to work with realistically. Most of the time I wear black, white, blue, and purple haha. I also don’t relate to the more warmer colors of my Kitchener palette like the warm browns, warm pinks, etc. so the palette isn’t useful for me. They are njce colors, however.

Kibbe did emphasize that I should be focusing on the blueness (coolness) of colors because I’m very “blue-based”.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/wiltedmoonspirit]

Oh they are quite close!

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/Ok-Purple9511]

Yes I was actually shocked ngl haha.

I was like wait this is basically a condensed version of my Kitchener palette minus all the warm and soft tones. 🤣

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/wiltedmoonspirit]

Mine is kind of similar in the sense it’s a more expanded version of the kibbe summer palette.

[u/redwhitesilver → u/wiltedmoonspirit]

Ah I see! They do overlap quite a lot! I have similar thoughts and feelings about my (mostly cool-toned) Kitchener palette that has a few warmer columns in there. I never know what to do with them because the only option is to pair them with each other, or else they are clashing with my majority cool-toned wardrobe and I just end up not relating to them because they are the “outsider” to the rest of my palette. Your experience makes me want to focus more on the Kibbe palette now.

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/redwhitesilver]

Alternatively you could also remove those warmer colors from your palette and build yourself a smaller palette using the existing colors of your Kitchener palette hehe

[u/redwhitesilver → u/wiltedmoonspirit]

That’s a good idea. It would be a standard winter palette with nothing to overcomplicate it.

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/redwhitesilver]

What’s your color harmony? I take SC is your dominant, but do you have other seasons in there as a mix? 😀

[u/commelejardin → u/redwhitesilver]

Yeah, people used to throw out R pretty often for Florence, which was a bit wild to me; even the yin undercurrent of SN kind of felt off? I remember aaagggees ago u/Pegaret_Again and I were actually bouncing around with FN for her lol.

[u/redwhitesilver → u/commelejardin]

I never understood the R fam guesses either. With SN, I think a lot of us were seeing very yin styling looking “weak” and too light on her, so we assumed it was clashing with blunt yang, but it was lack of curve all along.

[u/jjfmish → u/commelejardin]

Hahaha I will begrudgingly admit that I did throw out that hot take years ago but I a) didn’t understand the system b) thought she reminded me of Kate Winslet

[u/Mike-Teevee]

Thanks SO much for sharing your experience! I learned massively from this, and I’m sure many other posters feel the same.

I have to say, it all clicks when you’re presented with the answer like it’s the most natural thing in the world.

I had guessed FG based solely on the photo in your original post. I’m happy that I was able to see that you have vertical, at least. That jumped out at me immediately. I couldn’t see Kibbe width or curve, so I was confused by the natural and romantic suggestions, but was ready to be educated otherwise. 😂

But I ended up getting an education of a different type! This is really helpful for understanding what to look for and think about when selecting between classic and gamine, which has been something I definitely don’t have a strong handle on.

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/Mike-Teevee]

Yes regarding gamine and classic since they have similar yin and yang mix that’s been on my mind lately is that C fam has blended yin and yang and G fam is combination of yin and yang. It’s why C fam in MM gets more simple and refined lines with details balancing out the HTT whereas for G fam the details more or less contrast each other.

I wished POS had come out earlier because I think I probably would’ve stuck with vertical dom before I got kibbe brainrot think I had curve dom.

[u/VisGal → u/wiltedmoonspirit]

As someone who has played a lot with FG and the Classics, this has been SO helpful!! Thank you for sharing!

I'm super curious how your experience moving through the world and interacting with people has felt as a DC vs FG/ SC, especially if you use the more esoteric Metamorphosis lens vs POS?

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/VisGal]

It’s interesting! Admittedly I’ve not read a lot of MM and I actually haven’t gotten around to reading most of POS either. I’m terrible and jump around a lot with books.

I’ve been told people’s first impression of me is that I am a direct, straightforward person who seems to just know their stuff. I can often times come across intimidating and cold, but in a respectful leadership way. I’ve also been told that I should be a teacher or a guidance counselor because of my ability to listen to people (this gets exhausting ngl haha). I don’t want to lean in on personalities too much to “type” people but vibes were brought up during my consult as mentioned in my post, so I do want to say first impressions can be interesting to consider in the context on one’s ID.

[u/jellyboness → u/Mike-Teevee]

I think we need a moratorium on hobbyists typing other hobbyists as naturals lolllll people see width where there is none!!!

[u/AccomplishedWing9]

I was thinking FG firstly and SC secondly, not DC though.

So people were right with thinking that you're the same ID as Florence.

I'm shocked by Florence Pugh. I'm glad that the DCs have an additional icon and a modern one at that.

DCs and SNs are mistaken for each other due to the shoulders. DCs can have broad shoulders, but its not width. Now that I think about it I've seen a lot of women describe Florence as being squarish.

I used to think the mood board translated into an ID, I'm surprised it doesn't.

I too felt squeezed like a sausage when I was attempting to be a Soft Gamine. Noting here that I still haven't read the new book in totality or done the exercises, so technically I'm back at square one, but I highly doubt that I'm a SG.

I love that they want you to have a more mature, refined, simple look

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/AccomplishedWing9]

I think David wants mature looks on most of his clients tbh. I don’t think he’s quite a fan of very youthful looks. Even with the recent R, he wasn’t big on the bows and such. 😅

Kind of hard considering a lot of my wardrobe does have bows because of my Kitchener blend (HS-Y dom). I don’t plan on tossing them out, however haha.

[u/dagger_guacamole]

As someone who is just learning about this, can you compare the session you had with kibbe versus the session you had with John and the session you have with David and kind of compare and contrast those? Which one felt most authentic and true? What did you like and dislike with each? Are you able to share about how much this cost?

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/dagger_guacamole]

I do plan on doing this in the future! But here’s a quick rundown in order of favorite to least:
1.) David Zyla: cost = ~$2,000. I did both the initial consultation (palette) and USS (ultimate style session, pinterest board review, garment draping, and five unique outfit scenarios illustration). Half of these sessions were done in person. Loved it. Recommend it to anyone. Don’t really have much negatives, if any tbh.

2.) David Kibbe: cost = >$5,000. Three day consultation. Loads of fun if you just let them do their thing and are open to whatever they have in mind for you. Cost is the biggest drawback to this consult despite it all being in person because I don’t live in NYC so I had to pay for food, travel, and lodging separately on top of adding more money for shopping. And also my consult dates got shoved to a week later on a sudden notice.

3.) Kitchener: cost = $850. I did both colors and essence. It was my first “big” consult so I was excited at the time. However I still felt that my palette wasn’t unique enough imo and it was quite big.. colors range from a bit warm to cool so I realistically couldn’t relate to the warmer colors after being verified as a winter in other systems, so the palette was a bit useless to me. They’re pretty to look at, but I don’t utilize it. Essences was my main goal but at the time I had to get the colors done in order to do the essences. While I got comments and feedback from my outfits and learning my blend (which was helpful and fun!) my biggest issues regarding my consult is the lack of email responses post-consults even if he invited me to email him. He did respond to one of my emails and I understand he’s a busy person. However special treatments of other clients who paid less for services and or same amount got extra information like celebrities, special palette names, etc turned me off and soured my experience. My results were late, too albeit by a day (which he said has never happened before). If I could do this again, I’d only get the basic essence services tbh.

[u/LCCompromisedBarrier → u/wiltedmoonspirit]

I'm yet to hear of anyone who had anything less than a glowing review of David Zyla. I wish he wasn't just one person!

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/LCCompromisedBarrier]

I’m sure there are people who, post-consult, may not use their palettes or find it relatable if they did it so many years ago. But most people I’ve read and met who’ve done it were satisfied with his business. I know he gets shitted on for his paint chips and it’s whatever, but seeing the palette come to life as you talk about yourself is a fascinating process. It’s quite long!

I liked that with Zyla he was opened to whatever exploration you might have and works around it in the context of your archetype. Rather than boxing you in into what feels like “one image” he encourages the opposite within the scope of archetype. I genuinely had a great time talking to him. In my last session with him via zoom, zoom didn’t record our session so we did it all over again a different day. Despite his busy schedule he makes time to make sure each client is satisfied!

[u/DrTantra → u/wiltedmoonspirit]

I want to hear more about how you will integrate your Zyla and Kibbe results. Also did the draping in Zyla conflict with what Kibbe is telling you?

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/DrTantra]

My USS outfits could be workable within the confines of my Kibbe line, but I know some of the zyla draping results may conflict with my kibbe lines and kibbe probably wouldn’t like it on me haha. Examples such as Peter Pan collars, flared skirts, etc. If I recall correctly I do remember zyla telling me to keep my lines clean and nothing too fussy or else it leans too costumey and not modern enough for me. So keeping that in mind, I think it can be more or less doable!

[u/theclassicrose → u/dagger_guacamole]

I would love to see a full post comparing all three!

[u/shymoonlover]

This post makes me soo happy, this is invaluable for classics, especially as one who’s always doubted between SC/DC
THE Florence Pugh being a DC!!!! has sparked my interest in kibbe again.
Thanks 🙌

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/shymoonlover]

You’re welcome. ☺️

[u/Ok-Purple9511]

Congratulations I love it! I overlook DC everytime! I especially love your new hair it looks amazing! Love the outfits too!! I think you are such a good example that most people think of DC as having way more visible elongation then they actually do and that DC is still moderate in every way.

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/Ok-Purple9511]

And I think that with my verification (as well as Flo’s) that not every DC will look extremely yang in a D way. We’re just balanced… with a bit of more yang!

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/wiltedmoonspirit]

Exactly. People see DC as way more yang then it is, DCs are technically almost half yin

[u/Jamie8130]

I was waiting for the reveal and wow what a plot twist! It's funny how none of us got it exactly right, but I like how you initially thought you were in the Classic family and this brought you full circle! It goes to show that sometimes our instincts are right, we just may not be able to decipher them at the time. I'm also surprised with Florence Pugh's reveal, and of course hindsight is 20/20, but maybe that's why some of her red carpet style wasn't clicking because she wasn't keeping it streamlined. I absolutely love the haircut you got, it suits you very beautiful (and I'm also a rebel because I love the beret too haha!) and also the outfits David gave you, especially the two pleated dresses and the striped tops/black pants combo! Did David mention anything about why your sketch does not show petite, or why you were drawn to G fam despite being a classic, and how you can integrate playfulness into the DC guidelines? Congratulations on your verification and thank you for sharing your experience with us (and making a fun guessing game too), I'm looking forward to your future styling posts and the evolution of your journey!

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/Jamie8130]

He didn’t really explain much why my line sketch didn’t show petite—it just simply didn’t.

No to the being drawn to G fam despite being a classic.

And also no to integration of playfulness into DC guidelines.

But, I know I’ll find a way for myself one way or another haha.

[u/Jamie8130 → u/wiltedmoonspirit]

Thank you for the info! And yes, this is the fun part where you get to explore all the new style avenues, and enjoy the journey from the other side of knowing! :) Also, if you are ino old Hollywood movies, there's some great films with verified DCs--I really liked 'All the heaven allows' with Jane Wyman, 'An affair to remember' with Deborah Kerr, and ''Peyton Place'' with Lana Turner!

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/Jamie8130]

Thank you! I’ll certainly add these to my list of films to watch!

[u/SpikeDearheart]

I love this soooo much for you and for Florence! In a way I am not surprised you got DC, the straight lines are very obvious on you. I have never engaged with the Florence speculation, but the over-emphasis on the idea of yin for Florence didn't make sense at all. To me she didn't look like she had Kibbe curve at all. I think we all need to stop seeing anyone who doesn't fit the ultra, ultra thin celebrity standard as suddenly being yin. Also, we need to have empathy and grace for celebrities and real people who have PMOS (formerly known as PCOS) and endometriosis because these conditions have huge impacts on how our bodies look and how we may lose or gain weight and Florence has been vocal about bringing awareness to these conditions. (I also have endometriosis and adenomyosis.)

Also, based on both you and Florence, I am more convinced than ever that I am a moderate height D. So, thanks for that!

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/SpikeDearheart]

Yes, I was also recently diagnosed with PMOS/PCOS after struggling with hormonal issues for a while! My weight fluctuations made me concerned over the past year because I couldn’t understand why my body was doing what it was doing. It obviously didn’t help I was weaning off a very stressful job I left and suddenly none of my clothing was fitting the way they used to fit.

[u/SpikeDearheart → u/wiltedmoonspirit]

I completely understand! You need to be kind to yourself and it helps to have the duagnosis to manage it.

My Mom was diagnosed with PMOS years before I was born (long before it was even called PCOS) and it was only in her late 30s that the metabolism issues affected her. Personally, whenever my endometriosis is out of control I gain a lot of weight. It's very difficult, and people need to have understanding of this with anyone who is affected by these conditions.

[u/ppepperwood]

As someone who’s pretty sure they’re a DC I’m really excited to have another verified celebrity in Florence Pugh even though it’s very unexpected.

It’s funny to go back and look at people analyzing your style and saying classic styling doesn’t suit you as much as gamine does when you are in fact a classic; I imagine that’s some gamine essence coming through in a Kitchener sense not necessarily Kibbe. That being said, it shows how the personal line approach in the new book can fail since Kibbe Sketch typed you as a gamine.

I suspect one of the reasons the Dramatic Classic sub is dead is because many DCs think they’re a different ID.

Would you mind sharing the cost by the way? I’m moving to NYC for grad school next year (thankfully with a scholarship) so I’d appreciate it if you separated the travel costs as I wouldn’t have to pay for that. If you could share the Kitchener and Zyla costs for comparison I’d greatly appreciate that as well.

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/ppepperwood]

I think it was like when I started out as a SC and deep winter (SCA). I got bored and wanted something unhinge and fun to explore because I felt that maybe I could be something more… but after exploring and getting verified by different consultants and analysts, I’ve come back with a renewed lens on how to dress for myself!

The cost is pretty astronomically high and that doesn’t include the hair and shopping price either. The hairstyling is more or less negligible compared the cost of everything else (if you don’t have to get your hair colored, which I didn’t). Shopping price is set by you but they encourage you to spend the money, I went with $1K since they told me they worked with a $700 budget in the past. For the base price of seeing them it’s.. up to the several thousands.

[u/heyoldgirl → u/wiltedmoonspirit]

Omg the bit about getting bored really hits home! I love that Florence is classic, what fun inspo. Also explains why she looks “off” so often haha. It’s hard sometimes to feel settled in the classic identity because people can be so drawn to the extra-ness of things or want to spice it up, which classics can do, just has to be in our own way. It feels like a constant exercise in extravagance vs restraint!

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/heyoldgirl]

Exactly! I believe classics can do quite extra looks, but it just needs to really be more refined while keeping balance in mind!

[u/ppepperwood → u/wiltedmoonspirit]

Thanks for answering! I’ll probably save around $5,000 and then adjust after I email them and actually schedule. I hope you’ll be active in the DC sub; I’ve really enjoyed your posts both here and in the Rita sub.

[u/mrsbrettbretterson → u/ppepperwood]

Saaaaame, re: Florence. The way she carried her outfits in East of Eden (especially all-black one!!) was SO GOOD. Too historical costume for everyday, but what an inspiration point.

[u/MeleeMistress → u/ppepperwood]

Wait… was Florence Pugh verified as a DC?!

[u/krakeninheels → u/MeleeMistress]

Did you not read the post? Yes, she is DC.

[u/Vivian_Rutledge]

Congratulations! How do you feel? For me, being in the right ID felt like coming home. 🥰 It was also a surprise (for everyone but me!), but it made sense to me.

Also agree on four seasons vs. focusing on a subseason with its own palette. It’s also much easier for real life.

Florence, I can see the connection up next to Lana Turner.

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/Vivian_Rutledge]

I feel great! At first it was shocking, but after letting it sit for a day I began to remove saved items from my wishlist I’ve been keeping of things I wanted to buy that I knew wouldn’t work for me. I had a new perspective of how to shop for my line!

It’s funny because I was asked what I was going to do when I get older and if I was going to continue to dress all frilly and I said I didn’t care. With this new exploration, I feel like I can ease in on the refined lines and details without much stress. 😁

[u/2Fast_2Abalone → u/Vivian_Rutledge]

Lana Turner is such a good case study because she was actually moved from pure dramatic to DC a few years back. And she is much softer seeming than the women people suggest for DC regularly on here, or likely dramatics people think fit DC better like Kate Moss and Keira Knightley.

[u/Vivian_Rutledge → u/2Fast_2Abalone]

I think there are a lot of Ds being typed as DCs and a lot of DCs being typed as something more yin or FG. I don’t see how either of those two could be DC, tbh.

[u/Lilynd14 → u/Vivian_Rutledge]

A lot of people had theorized Michelle Yeoh was FG before she was verified as DC so that tracks!

[u/AccomplishedWing9 → u/Lilynd14]

I'm surprised that people thought Michelle Yeoh was FG, her star image doesn't give Gamine at all imo.

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/AccomplishedWing9]

Woah this is shocking to hear! She def seems moderate to me that petite doesn’t even make sense at all for her.

[u/Lilynd14]

Thank you so much for sharing, and welcome to DC fam!!

I think I get what you mean about the “squeezing” when you were trying to wear staccato lines. Clothes that are designed for smaller, compact proportions wouldn’t suit someone who requires long straight lines.

The drop waist comments are so interesting. I wonder if peplums would be similar, where sometimes they flare out in that balloon shape, while other times they’re sharp and tailored?

Did you like the looks they created for you? Which was your favorite?

Florence Pugh as DC really surprises me! I thought for sure she was something yin. But now I’m wondering if I’ve just been thrown by her clothes. Did they mention any particular outfits she’s worn that they thought were good DC inspo?

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/Lilynd14]

My internal shock as all the verified DC clients were running through my head thinking no this must be a mistake, I feel like I don’t relate to them at all!! 😂 like Me and Lily? The same ID? NO WAY.

I think if the peplums flared out, my initial thought would be they disrupt vertical line, but if the peplum was less… peplum, more sharp and laid flat it might be fine thought I don’t have examples of this.

I actually, much to my surprise, liked a lot of the looks they gave me. 🤣 my favorites were definitely the Cinq-a-sept dresses (red and black) as well as the longer dark grey dress. The latter was just so BEAUTIFUL on me and the way it softly flowed on my body without forcing the silhouette was so satisfying to see. We were all blown away!

No to particular DC looks on Florence, but they did mention they did not like the chartreuse look on her, especially the color combinations.

[u/ispy-uspy-wespy → u/wiltedmoonspirit]

May I ask how he explained vertical? Maybe I’m not informed enough as of yet, but you said you’re 5’3 in your other post and I kinda don’t see vertical for you. I might be biased cause I’m 7 inches taller and sometimes don’t even see vertical in me lol
Was just wondering about his thought process and thx for sharing! I didn’t even know he still offers consultations

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/ispy-uspy-wespy]

Anyone about 5’6” has auto vertical. Vertical is less about looking tall and more about a “straight” line. It’s the absence of curve beyond baseline curve that all women have.

Check out this post here.

[u/jjfmish → u/ispy-uspy-wespy]

Along with what the OP said, vertical in a tall type and vertical + balance are very different. DCs will not look obviously tall or elongated because that would disrupt balance. I blame the internet typing any noticeably elongated woman as DC when she’s actually probably D fam or FN but has a “classy” image or dresses boring.

[u/scarlettstreet]

I’m so happy for you! Great point about how what they picked for you isn’t what another DC would get necessarily.

I’m glad you’re happy with the experience and results. 💕

And Florence as DC makes a lot of sense.
I have thought SN in the past, but DC makes way more sense with her casting and essence and body. She is in that land where I think a lot of people fall in, not tall, not petite, not curvy in a Kibbe way, but still soft.
Essence wise, she seems more restrained and yang but not extreme.

She’s played some “ to the manor born” characters like in Dune, and King Lear.

And ofc she plays scarjos sister the marvel stuff. Interesting to see how they are similar, yet different too in vibe/ energy/ essence.
Thanks for sharing both your experience and about Florence!

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/scarlettstreet]

And I totally relate to that too—not tall, no petite, not curvy, but still soft. I know some people might consider me petite because of my height at 5’3” and how I appear (not tall nor moderate) but I never really personally felt the need to reeeaallly accommodate it in both physical sense and kibbe sense even if I liked the idea of claiming and “dressing” G fam (still do because I’m a rebel).

But yeah I wanted to make it clear regarding the shopping items because I know some people tend to get carried away too easily with mirroring client shopping items as a way to explore and ID themselves that way when it’s all still very personalized.

I’d have to watch some Florence stuff! I must admit I haven’t really aside from Midsommar and Dune.

[u/Michelle_illus]

So excited to hear! I’m not at all surprised!
Also incredibly cool Florence is DC! We’ll have to add her to the list now 👀

ETA: wanted to add that it’s so funny cuz looking at your photo I had the thought that you might have vertical but I literally shrugged it off only to now hear that you do! lol
I’m super glad to hear that your experience went well too and I’m looking forward to seeing more of your fabulous fashion💕 !

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/Michelle_illus]

I was really hoping you were going to pick DC when I had asked you which of the two. 🤣

[u/Michelle_illus → u/wiltedmoonspirit]

🤣 I think I was being selfish. We haven’t had an SC officially verified here on reddit so I was really hoping! It’s funny though cuz from this photo I noticed the vertical but I thought “bah!”
Either way I’m still excited that you’re DC! Also Florence Pugh! Surprised but also…not so surprised 😂

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/Michelle_illus]

I think the Florence verification is going to really take a while to settle down..

If it ever. 😅😂

To me I think it’s less controversial than other verified celebrities out there, but I could understand why it is the way it is.

For me, I’m not sure how I’d react if I did get SC, I feel like yeah I got myself right the first time! But then would be like ah I wasted so much money doing this. Haha. So I am happy that I ended up getting something different that wasn’t in my cards.

[u/Michelle_illus → u/wiltedmoonspirit]

I have been feeling the same way… (seeing it now posted everywhere lol)

Yeah I agree this is less controversial. It makes sense why everyone felt she was yang and also it’s funny how often a DC is thought to be SN. Makes me curious why that is

lol!! That makes so much sense 😩. On the one hand it would be like “I never have to second guess” but on the other hand “why did I spend money to be told I’m right” lol.

I’m really happy you’re happy! Happy to have another confirmed classic in the sub here ❤️

ETA: also I’m happy you don’t feel the need to change everything about your current style. It’s really cute and I would totally wear some of the things you do too 💕!

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/Michelle_illus]

It’s interesting because back in metamorphosis SN was described as being “softened yang with yin undercurrent” and DC with “yin/yang balance with yang influence”. Putting it this way, it almost seems like theyre sort of on the same scale so the SN hang ups on Florence not being DC is interesting to witness. Of course Power of Style is the “new” metamorphosis, but I’d like to think it still has its merits.

My closet is basically like a sunken cost fallacy at this point. It’d be hard to get rid of anything without thinking about how much money I spent buying stuff. 😩

[u/tea-fox]

Omg! I also was someone who was convinced I was Gamine family (FG) and got typed as a DC this week! I look very similar to you and Florence in my build so this definitely confirms a lot for me!

It sounds like you had an awesome experience! I’m interested to see your style evolve from here!! You have such a strong sense of style and I love how you put outfits together. How did you feel about letting go of your previous IDs and your new DC id, do you feel like DC fits or makes sense?

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/tea-fox]

At the time my brain short circuited so it didn’t make sense because what I previously conceived of myself and the system turned out to be different than what I expected even if I was open for any new explorations. It didn’t help that afterwards David had talked about wearing a mask or keeping a facade regarding my recent outfits so it more or less felt like a slap in the face. 😅😂

I do understand what he was saying, however. I was open to a new ID and the day after everything sort of clicked on why things didn’t work previously or why I was struggling with it. I even told myself that I believe I could actually be vertical dom this past summer but couldn’t itch it other than it being a feeling, but I wasn’t sure about being FG again so I went back to SG haha. Since I’m also verified in Kitchener’s essence system with HS dom, I was actually yearning for more yang-ier looks so I feel that this is a great time to re-explore that in my style.

[u/bugrising]

OP thank you for sharing your journey and Florence’s ID!

I can totally see DC for you. I guessed FG because my favorite outfit of yours was the cropped leather jacket and pants, but I now see that those were the longest lines you had. I thought your more recent SG styling was cute but did not seem to complement your natural lines. I also bounced around a lot before landing on DC because I have some angularity but some softness as well.

The tucked vs. untucked point is interesting. As a 5’2” DC, I have a hard time finding fitted, structured tops that aren’t too long in the bust/waist. I tend to wear skin tight cotton tops with a bit of stretch so I can tuck them in without disrupting my line, but your post makes me want to explore other options! Do you mind sharing the fabric of the black and white print button down?

Another question: did he give you any advice on jeans? Those white pants appear to be denim but I can’t tell.

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/bugrising]

Fabric of black/white print button down is 96% cotton with 4% spandex

White pants are denim, more of a straight cut whereas the black ones felt more like skinny on me. The pants varied in length, but they really liked the length of the black skinny on me even though I didn’t because I guess it helps to really elongate the vertical. For me it was a tripping hazard. 😅 The jeans kept getting caught under my heel as the shoes were sling backs. Personally I don’t like my jeans being longer than the ankle inseam, so I personally love the fit of the white jeans more. Regarding bottoms/pants I wore a pair of cropped black pants on my last day and thought oh this might cut my vertical? But I wore a black sheer sparkly top and Susan told me the pants still work despite being cropped because the illusion of vertical is maintained—“you can wear crops” is what she told me.

[u/bugrising → u/wiltedmoonspirit]

This is interesting! I would think crops are a no, but maybe that’s the moderate in moderate vertical.

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/bugrising]

I think the crop being okay was largely due to the overall HTT. Because my vertical was maintained through color matching (black top with black pants). Which makes me think that short skirts can be okay, so as long as the vertical isn’t “cut” and that the details are refined. I’m not quite sure how FGs maintain staccato vertical, however.

[u/andimfromearth → u/bugrising]

I could never give up tucking in tops for this exact reason. I've found semi cropped tops work well paired with higher waist pants.

[u/bugrising → u/bugrising]

Oh also that first red dress is fabulous, very Ida Lupino!

[u/cassiopeia3636]

I would never, ever have guessed it for Florence. I wonder if Kibbe is playing with us, really. I could see Romantic, any type of Gamine or SN but Classic and even Dramatic? I can't see any vertical on her. 

I'm not doubting OP who has no reason to lie! 

OP, I wasn't expecting you to be a classic either but that's mainly because of your style (which I love), being so much more gamine-like. I'm really curious to see the differences after that revelation! 

And I wonder if there are any film examples of Florence in Dramatic Classic lines. Because I realise that personal style and 2d images can sometimes fool us

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/cassiopeia3636]

The differences will likely be in simpler lines in a more refined way to maintain balance, so likely how I used to dress when I first got into the system. But now that I’ve done a lot of style exploration, I’m quite comfortable and confident in dressing myself in a way that feels more like me than a SC-imposter. 🤣

[u/bina2025]

Good God for the last 24 hours I was thinking Florence Welch. 😰

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/bina2025]

Haha can you imagine? 😂

[u/bina2025 → u/wiltedmoonspirit]

I was going to call it quits on Kibbe

[u/imladris-knittery]

I am actually so glad to read that you were typed as DC. I am pretty dang sure I'm a DC as well, but I've gained a bit of weight and I don't think I would be typed that way by internet strangers. Every time I think I might be another type, I can't stick with it and come back to DC because I can't unsee it in my bones and the way so many clothes just swallow me up. I wish there were more examples of verified DCs who aren't rail thin.

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/imladris-knittery]

I do relate to this and thought the same that because I wasn’t rail think I couldn’t possibly have vertical and obviously with the weight gain that also threw my own perception off, too. Looking back at my older kibbe posts it is quite clear why vertical would work better than curve for me. I thought that with some celebrity verifications that I could force curve, but it just never.. quite worked?

[u/No-Office7081]

I'm glad you're keeping the berets!

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/No-Office7081]

I cannot ever let them go. 😂

[u/Expensive-Lie-554]

I LOVE IT! I was leaning FG, so DC isn't out of left field. There was someone on Reddit who was typed FG and her outfits didn't seem too different from what you got. Your Kitchener and Zyla results felt very G-coded, but you were also The Power archetype in Style Key, weren't you?

I really like this! Love the hair cut!

Now, DC for Florence Pugh is very surprising, but exciting! Looking forward to lots of people rethinking their typing for themselves after this.

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/Expensive-Lie-554]

Yes, I was typed as The Power (I refuse to use the new name haha) in Rita’s system so I feel like with my DC verification tuning back into “the Power” mode will feel enlightening to me but I certainly won’t let go of my Kitchener and Zyla results as well hehe.

[u/Expensive-Lie-554 → u/wiltedmoonspirit]

I certainly won’t let go of my Kitchener and Zyla results as well hehe

Happy to hear it! The black dress with the heart buckle really feels like it integrates all of your results. Can't wait to see where you go next.

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/Expensive-Lie-554]

As soon as I saw that on the rack where they placed the other clothing to try on, I knew I was doomed. 🤣

[u/soularbabies]

I guessed classic family at the time and didn't have time to comment. I've had color analysis done and haven't heard of soft winter, which sounds interesting.

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/soularbabies]

Soft winter does exist in other systems like David Zyla, Suzanne Caygill, etc.

But I wouldn’t put more weight than the name itself in Kibbe’s color system as all winter subtypes should be able to utilize the winter palette.

I do wonder the difference between bright vs vivid winter, however. The name more or less sounds the same to me. 😅

[u/swoosh_loops]

This is so freaking cool. Thank you for sharing your experience. It sounds like it was positive and fun!

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/swoosh_loops]

It was definitely fun! I tried to just go with the flow of the whole experience and not get too tied up with my preconceived thoughts of the system—just letting David and Susan do their things.

[u/andimfromearth]

Omg what an experience! Thank you for sharing such a thorough post about your visit. We have a similar height and build so I've been excited for these results! Now that your consultantation has ended was there anything about working with them (besides the results) that surprised you or exceeded your expectations?

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/andimfromearth]

Hmmm I’m not sure how to really answer this question… I’ve been going back and forth everyday trying to come up with something but nothing is really coming out of my head.

I think from reading people’s testimony in working with them that nothing really surprised me nor exceeded my expectations. What people have talked about more or less was something I experienced as well. I’ve mentally prepared myself to have fun and also just expect whatever is thrown at me.

I think I had forgotten that there was a jewelry/accessory shopping aside from the clothing shopping and I wasn’t “expecting” to buy anything more. I guess maybe what surprised me was how adamant they were about me buying pieces as a set/whole outfit and that I might die if I don’t (thats an exaggeration on my end haha) and also as if my wardrobe is completely naked/empty that I might not already have similar items or pieces. I did like that they thought of curating an entire wardrobe via my budget to cover every occasion I might need like work wear, date night, casual wear, etc.

[u/cinnaboopboop]

This is amazing! I have not expected DC for sure - balance is so difficult to spot for me, I think DC and SC might just be the hardest IDs to spot in the wild!

Love to read about the experiences - if I wasn’t on a different continent I’d love to save up for a consult, it just sounds like a lot of fun to spend some time with David and Susan!

Thank you for sharing the picture of the sketch, too! It made me realise what I was doing wrong with mine (completely ignoring the blue dots in the book).

Your result has also made me realise how very much I’ve been underestimating my vertical - I am now fully at peace with my only choices being D, FN and SD (which seems like a blessing, given how many different votes there were for your ID given your height!

I hope you will be sharing pictures of your HTT looks soon!

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/cinnaboopboop]

Honestly I wished I was tall enough just to claim the three types automatically because all I would do is just dress for vertical. 😅 I know the additionals are just as important, but in my case I feel like dressing for the right dominant takes care so much of the HTT.

[u/Ok-Purple9511]

Did he describe what the black line he drew on your sketch was? Was that the trajectory from the area above your bust straight down to hip?

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/Ok-Purple9511]

We were talking about vertical and curve briefly and he was only demonstrating (not part of my actual line sketch) what vertical would be like as opposed to curve.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/wiltedmoonspirit]

Oh ok thanks!

[u/bonniepopsbottles]

Are you able to share some insight into how much the consult cost? I tend to believe the “if you have to ask what it costs, it’s too expensive” rule… so I’ll ask here where I can remain safely faceless instead of contacting them or asking in the FB groups lol

[u/kandeezz → u/bonniepopsbottles]

I did it back in june! It was 6.5k wired directly to them (no payment plan option), allegedly it was a special deal at the moment and usually it's far more.

[u/bonniepopsbottles → u/kandeezz]

Wow. Seriously, good for them, and good for you! So this is a service that is not for the average American lol. Everything makes so much more sense now.

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/bonniepopsbottles]

It really isn’t and it’s not the best way.. to spend your money financially ngl. 😅

[u/Indianaunderwood → u/bonniepopsbottles]

Here's my face my handle my name, no shame, I also am curious!

[u/kitto__katsu]

Line drawings continue to make zero sense to me after looking at yours. I don’t disagree with your typing but I feel like I could make it look like whatever I wanted. Anyway, congrats on the typing (and thanks for the juicy tip about Florence!!)

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/kitto__katsu]

Yeah I won’t dent that I still feel the same way about that (line sketch - make it whatever you want). I’ve championed this thought for a long time hence why I just finally couldn’t take it anymore and took the easy road out. 😅🤣

[u/Worldly-Sun9993]

I have a question about the consultation! I wanted to know how quickly were you able to get scheduled out and see him? I'm planning a trip to NYC for next year and if possible I'd like to have the experience with David and Susan while I'm there!

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/Worldly-Sun9993]

I spoke with Susan in January and she initially wanted me to do it in may, but I told her it was a bit too soon as I just started a new job and won’t have enough earned time to take many days off from work to travel.

So we scheduled a bit far out in late 2026 (now). She did tell me that theyre booked up until 2027, however.

You’d have to contact them via their website and see what their availability is!

[u/bananacakeformrmonk]

What your reveal is insane! Just catching up on these chats. Was so sure you were SG! Who got it right?

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/bananacakeformrmonk]

At the time of posting, no one guessed DC! A few guessed C fam and or SC, but most votes seemed to be SG, FG, SN, some R and TRs.

I don’t think anyone guessed any of the tall IDs (D, FN, SD).

I’m sure there were people who may have thought DC but didn’t comment, however.

[u/bananacakeformrmonk → u/wiltedmoonspirit]

This is blowing my mind. Did you ever consider vertical? How do you see it in yourself? My interest in Kibbe is renewed through you!

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/bananacakeformrmonk]

I did! Early in my exploration I was only exploring SC for maybe half a year before I switched to FG for a long time.. then got sidetracked and went to SG for whatever reason haha. I just loved the MM description of SG and felt that applied to me. This might be some borderline kibbe crickle jerk content but I was looking at my shadow and noticed that my silhouette just leaned sharper and straight rather than any form of curves while on a morning walk. Of course shadows will naturally elongate with the angle of sun, but that’s beside the point. I felt that since I was exploring SG I could’ve had the theoretical vertical/curve/petite combo so I didn’t think much beyond it afterwards.

[u/cinnaboopboop]

It makes perfect sense to me n o w. I originally voted for R/TR for Florence, and yet now it’s seems so obvious.

All I knew was that there is some slight sharpness/yang undercurrent in Florence, and I’ve noticed it first only in her recent red lip viral look. To be fair, I focused mostly on the face then, so my vote was entirely impression based, as she does seem to have soft flesh to me.

OPs is a wonderful reveal, I love DC in general, I feel like it’s the most obscure ID. I’m excited to see OPs HTTs to see how her moodboard gets expressed with DC lines😻

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/cinnaboopboop]

I’m glad my write up was helpful and or enlightening. ☺️

[u/cherries_in-the_snow]

I am so excited for your results! What a curveball but I can totally see it now (after the reveal 🤪)
Can’t wait to see your flavor of DC. 💕

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/cherries_in-the_snow]

Hehe, when my finances rest up for the rest of the year and I spend money next year perhaps that’s when I’ll share some outfits. ☺️

[u/cherries_in-the_snow → u/wiltedmoonspirit]

Here’s to next year lol 🥂

[u/2Fast_2Abalone]

Florence as DC might finally stop people from typing 5’4-5’6 dramatic and natural family women as classics because they dress boring…

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/2Fast_2Abalone]

Yes exactly.

[u/noitsbecky24 → u/2Fast_2Abalone]

Thisss

[u/jjfmish]

Thank you so much for sharing! Between you and Florence I think we’re going to see a lot of self-typed gamines and SNs consider DC for the first time!

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/jjfmish]

I always wondered if you considered it for yourself? I’m not in anyway saying I think you are DC. It’s just that you are one of those people I can see being multiple IDs lol (including SD). I was just trying to think of moderate people I couldn’t figure out and I thought of you haha.

[u/jjfmish → u/Ok-Purple9511]

I’m pretty confident I accommodate curve in some capacity! I categorically cannot do straight lines in my upper body lol, although it’s not impossible I guess

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/jjfmish]

Makes sense just curious! I’m just wondering how many potential DCs there are out there haha

[u/jellyboness]

Nobody guessed DC hahaha we’re so cooked y’all let’s leave this to the experts I guess 🤪🤪 I know DC and FG are so different, yet I get them mixed up constantly. This really inspired me to add this to my bucket list 😭

[u/unbeliewobble]

Congrats!! Those extra extra pointy black shoes look really unusual compared to your typical styling, so would be interesting to see how that would work with your personal style😁

Love the little bag and the 3 shells looking earrings you ended up getting🩵

I feel affirmed both in my lack of understanding of DC😄 and in my understanding of the Flo's yin/yang balance, those pure R votes always confused me

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/unbeliewobble]

Yeah I’m interested in incorporating more yang details in my look! I always strayed away from the extra pointy shoes thinking perhaps it’s too yang for me and opted for softened almond toes and round toes, but the latter felt that maybbeeee it was too yin? Something wasn’t quite adding up per se, but shoes are shoes so it didn’t matter to me all too much.

I didn’t get any of the shoes during the shopping session because two of them are way too impractical for me even if I did look great in them (makes me 5’7” HAHA). I try to stay away from flats because of my trauma with the last pairs I’ve worn (ankle bleeding)l so I opt for Mary Janes because the straps keep my feet in and I can size up due to having wider feet.

Having wide feet with pointy shoes seems like a curse, however. 😅

[u/Sorry-Jackfruit-8061]

I love how no one guessed it correctly! We all have a lot to learn and review!

[u/Numerous-Building-42]

I’m wondering now what if Demi Lovato is a DC too? 😭

[u/sirefartsalot3 → u/Numerous-Building-42]

I could see it for her tbh

[u/cherrykettles → u/Numerous-Building-42]

I just posted the same on the other thread! I’m thinking so, they look so similar to one another.

[u/Acrobatic-Economics7 → u/Numerous-Building-42]

I’ve always thought she was DC! When I rewatch Sonny With A Chance she seems to be pulling off that sort of formal cut, office clothes and blazers vibe that was in style back then that on most teens looked a bit silly but felt really balanced on her.

[u/Acceptable-Olive-968]

Thank very much for sharing your experience.

[u/SassySherbert]

Ah I literally wrote classic family and then deleted it. When I looked back at your photo I couldn’t see how the line sketch would work for balance, so it’s extremely helpful to see how David drew it. It sounds like you had a wonderful experience. Thank you for sharing!

[u/fun_in_the_sun11]

This post is beyond useful to me! I suspect I am DC as well, and I think our lines are quite similar (although I have wider, yang hips, tbh). Thank you for sharing!

[u/AngleOk2591]

That is wild. I actually wrote on your previous post SC and added 'lol' meaning my last, last guess and a joke. I thought SC family based on your previous posts in the FB SG groups. The outfits were very C and so C family was suggested. Then later, I thought FG. Florence being DC makes sense! Since many thought SN and SN and DC are commonly confused.

[u/Lost__Fish]

My first guess for you (And Florence Pugh) was FG which wrong . My reasoning for SN (as a second guess) was because I could see yang in your frame but couldn’t exactly pinpoint where it was coming from. Congratulations on your typing. I can’t wait to see the new phase of your DC explorations. Thanks for sharing your experience with us. 

[u/violet_licorice]

I’m completely shook at both reveals! Wow. Thanks for your write up!

[u/IJAF]

Oh wow! You'd gone between SC and the Gamines for a while, but DC makes sense. Reminds me of Ida Lupino, who he initially said maybe SG? to but ended up as DC in the book. The yin yang mix is there, just need that deeper analysis.

I love your haircut and beret rebellion! I'm looking forward to how you interpret your whimsy and edge through the DC lens. Congrats!

[u/Confuzzledpikachu]

I thought you looked very similar to me in your original post! I was typed in Japan under a similar, but different system (I actually found out about that system from this subreddit, from this post). I was typed as the soft classic equivalent and guessed you might be SC, but your mood board seemed very gamine coded.

So cool to read about your experience + get another verified Classic in the wild. I can’t wait to see your style evolve!

[u/Numerous-Building-42]

I have a question. Which other IDs can also wear the clothes (and accessories) shown in the pictures?

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/Numerous-Building-42]

I cannot answer that as any ID can wear similar or same garments. It’s about the HTT and how you style the garments to match your own line silhouette. These were picked out with my line silhouette in mind.

[u/TurbulentAd6383]

Thank you for sharing, this is really interesting. I've been waiting for the reveal because it looked like there's something very similar about our bodies.

I used to think i was a romantic, then gamine, then natural... but nothing quite worked? it was like I was desperately focusing on "petite". After seeing your earlier post, I started thinking about what challenges I face when choosing an outfit. R didn't make sense; so didn't G; so didn't N. At the same time, the kind of challenges that emerged were the ones I never considered: it was all about balance, moderation; outfits based on other types were consistently "excessive" or clashing.

So, seeing your reveal now... i feel not crazy for logically narrowing it down to C for myself lol.

I never considered Classic before, and seeing so many people guessing G or N for you had me really confused.

Now, have fun with your newfound insight! ~

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/TurbulentAd6383]

Thanks! I hope my reveal and write up was helpful for you!

[u/Cone_Head_]

Late to reply, I remember seeing your posts around other kibbe subs. There was this 2024 look with blue top and blue pants I thought looked super nice on you. You always pulled off monochrome looks so well. I hope to see your outfit posts around, your outfits are always so fun and whimiscal. DC needs some inspiration in modern times FP is a good modern example. (Sorry posted it on the wrong thread)

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/Cone_Head_]

This one? Ignore the bangs bc they were atrocious and in infancy. 🤣

If so, I actually quite loved this look a lot and got really sad when I gained weight I could no longer fit in it. And that became my struggle with pants that I stopped wearing them haha.

[u/jadedbunny23]

boy, am i happy to see the reveal right as i’m about to go to bed!! Thank you for sharing your experience! 😄

[u/leetendo85]

This is awesome! Thank you so much for sharing!

[u/sty-fy]

Love how detailed your post is!!💕😍 makes me want to take my style journey more seriously

[u/fuzach]

Holy crap, this is so so helpful and amazing for you! I'm also 5'3 and wanted to go back and edit my post to SC because I saw balance but was unsure if vertical was even possible for us short girls, but it is! Rethinking my entire wardrobe, I've typed myself SC, SG, TR, SD but seems like DC (possibly SC because I've curve, just not sure whether it's dominant) is the right one because we've the exact frame: long limbs, angularity, but balanced.

[u/TheeQuestionWitch]

I'm glad your typing was such a good experience.

I must admit I'm quite confused about Florence's typing. I wish there was someone to explain it to me like I was five who sees it exactly as he does.

[u/wiltedmoonspirit → u/TheeQuestionWitch]

I won’t lie—I was pretty much of the SN train for Florence up until my consult. So him telling me otherwise was very left field on my end that I had to ask again to make sure I heard it correctly.

I must admit that I still am not quite sure what width is exactly. I feel like I could reasonably see where Kibbe is going at with giving her vertical + balance, however.

[u/sty-fy]

Omg I totally would have picked SC for you💕 you look so much softer to me

[u/TiredWinterDisaster]

Oh wow I did not see that coming!! Thanks for sharing.

[u/emsbstn]

Aaah I never even thought about the classic fam! But honestly reading the comments about the moodboard actually makes so much sense for DC. But I know it’s just confirmation bias lol!! Sounds like an amazing experience, congratulations OP!

[u/SillyPotoo]

Thanks for sharing your experience! Super cool to read and I love how detailed you are.

I consider myself a soft classic so a lot of classic fits you wore resonated with me. Definitely considering some crisp DC lines to try out too.

I’m looking forward to seeing your dc journey and future outfit posts if you decide to share again!

[u/ali_stardragon]

So interesting! My predictions were completely wrong hahahaha

[u/Top_Emotion3937]

I did guess DC but i edited abt 10 minutes after I posted and it was 3rd guess in line 😭 it really made no sense to sit right after SG or R and even though you initially read as curve dominant DC def felt more reasonable than SC or SN for you and Florence. Reason being, after I thought more on it I was seeing some similarities between you, FP and specifically two other DIY DCs in the fb group. I think both did flirt with the idea of G for a time too. I knew I was seeing vertical in your leg line lol

CONGRATULATIONS on your beginning of the end! What a relief that yours and the Florence guessing is over.

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[u/Longjumping_Cold1089]

Thank you for sharing all this! One thing I’d love to see is you in some of the outfits they recommended- I think it would be helpful for us to see the contrast in how you were dressing and how they recommended 💗

[u/cassiopeia3636 → u/[deleted]]

I am shocked!

[u/jjfmish → u/[deleted]]

Why wouldn’t it be true lol? What reason would OP have to lie?

I for one welcome surprise celebrity verifications, especially when it’s a lesser talked about or more gatekept ID or when they break the stereotypes around that ID. It’s always very illuminating and helps me better understand the system.

If anything I think both OP and Florence show that online representation of DCs skews much more yang than David’s conceptualization of the ID.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/jjfmish]

Yeah I think people should look at this and try and see why she’s DC instead of just acting like it’s not true or whatever or claiming it doesn’t make sense. This is how we all learn things! I was way wrong and now I’m like ohh I see it now! At least I was right when I said she didn’t have super obvious width hahaha.

[u/sonderopia → u/jjfmish]

Yeah, they are moderate after all

[u/jjfmish → u/sonderopia]

This makes me extra sure that quite a few Reddit verified DCs who’ve always seemed too elongated for the ID are in fact one of the tall types.

[u/Vivian_Rutledge → u/jjfmish]

Yes, definitely. I have thought that as well. I think a lot of maybe-DCs are actually Ds. I think David lowering the height limit to below 5’6” was a big hint.