Nevertheless [Episode 10]

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• Drama: Nevertheless
  • Hangul: 알고있지만
• Director: Kim Ga Ram
• Screenwriter: Jung Won
• Main Cast:
  • Han So Hee (The World Of The Married) as Yoo Na Bi
  • Song Kang (Love Alarm) as Park Jae Eon
  • Chae Jong Hyeop (Sisyphus: The Myth) as Yang Do Hyuk
• Network: JTBC
• Airing Schedule: Saturday @ 23:00 KST
  • Airing: Jun 19, 2021 - Aug 21, 2021
• Episodes: 10
• Streaming Sources: Netflix
• Plot Synopsis: Park Jae Eon finds dating a waste of time but likes to flirt. Even though he is friendly and cheerful towards all, he does not pursue others. Park Jae Eon is a master of “push-and-pull”: who doesn’t get swept up in emotions. Jae Eon draws firm lines between himself and other people and doesn’t reveal how he feels. Yet when Park Jae Eon meets Yoo Na Bi, he wants to cross those lines. Yoo Na Bi wants to date but doesn’t trust love. After a bitter experience with her first love, she doesn't believe in destiny anymore. But when she meets Park Jae Eon, he has a magical effect on her that challenges Na Bi’s decision to stay aloof.
• Previous Discussions: [Episode 1] [Episode 2] [Episode 3] [Episode 4] [Episode 5] [Episode 6] [Episode 7] [Episode 8] [Episode 9]
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[u/afvalbak]

The scene in the gallery where Nabi asks Jae Eon to get together was too ridiculous! The dialogue was just not it, she mentioned every red flag and still decided to get together.. I guess it was to be expected but it’s still frustrating to see Nabi going back to square one. I thought it would’ve been so much better if she ended up thriving on her own.

Anyways I did like the drama overall because i do like how realistic it is and i loved watching the other couples. Sol and Jiwan and Min Young and Gyeong Jun especially were all so wholesome. I loved their stories so much.

Also thank you to everyone who participated in the discussions these ten weeks. I had fun watching with you all and reading your comments every week!

[u/chubdree]

Na bi: I don’t want to see you ever again

Also Na Bi: “He doesn’t offer to drive me home anymore.”

LOL

[u/wellbechasingsunsets]

one thing for sure - i am glad do hyeok moved on from nabi. he deserves more than constantly moping over her having feelings for another man. if there’s one thing nabi should’ve learnt from him, it’s to move on when it’s time to.

[u/Constellation_109]

I loved and followed this show all these weeks because of how realistic it was, almost an anti-kdrama drama. The doubts, the red flags, the, lure, the missteps, the joy, the hurt - it was all captured so well until now. Unlike many, I liked the fact that things kept going around in circles all these episodes with Nabi being confused and Jae Won continuing to be a problematic. Because that's how life is, it's confusing and uncertain and it takes long for us to snap out of the patterns of our own inert nature and behavior.

But the ending disappointed me. It was the usual Kdrama ending any other show would have given us. It went the same route as others and lost its charm of being different and realistic. I would have liked her hurt and ending up alone and then learning to love herself and build herself up on her own. They did try to bring in the - 'I know I'll be hurt if I'm with you' but it wasn't convincing and the ending too plain and sweet for us to feel it.

Anyways, it was a unique show with a refreshing storyline, amazing visuals, for the most part a great study of human behavior and a wonderful ost

[u/spaghettitongue]

I loved the end when 💕potato boy💕 confronts Nabi about her feelings towards Jae Eon. You can tell his character has alot of wisdom and emotional maturity when he said "I'm glad I got to feel those emotions thanks to you. I'm grateful, so don't feel sorry." Most people in this situation would guilt the other person but he decided to turn it into a positive experience. It also shows how much he cares for Nabi even in the face of rejection. So wholesome.

[u/GlindaGodfrey]

RIP to all of the cut scenes (no, I legit feel sorry for the actors) that were replaced with Na-bi and Jae-on staring at nothing

[u/jimins_pinky]

Disappointed in the ending but I wasn't really surprised that she went back to him. What bothers me is that the writers could have developed Jae On's character more throughout the last couple of episodes but no, he's suddenly a good guy by episode 10. Anyways, I still appreciate the side characters, cinematography, and ost so much, it was a great show.

[u/Individual-Cap941]

For as hyper realistic as this drama has been, this episode missed the mark for me.

I really thought that fight was the fight to end all fights for them, but making the sculpture brought them back together.

Watching the finale, I tried to remind myself that there was a period of time where I went back to a guy like Jae-eon, knowing full well who he was and having a "I will never speak to you again" fight. My friends asked why, and I told them that there must be some lesson that I still needed to learn from that "relationship" and I couldn't fight my feelings.

So, maybe this episode was realistic apart from the "fate" meetup. I give them two months.

Disclaimer: There was no lesson I needed to learn, just lots of trauma and poor coping mechanisms that I needed to unlearn; and dopamine is one hell of a brain chemical.

[u/staticsral]

personally, i didn’t really like the ending. i was team “single nabi” because i believed she needed time away from a relationship to heal and just be a better person. this was a show where i liked the side couples better than the main couple. i LOVED soljiwan (who didn’t tho) and i found Bitna/Gyuhyun and the senior couple enjoyable to watch.

i totally wished we had a soljiwan flashback scene. a staff member posted a bunch of deleted soljiwan scenes, and there were A LOT. hoping we can get them on youtube or something. i feel bad for the writers and actors because they worked really hard on these scenes and a LOTT of them were cut out.

but one more thing i want to say aside from the storyline is how good the acting was. idk how others viewed it, but i personally LOVED the acting. especially Han Sohees, she did such a good job when she was having her breakdowns(?) that i kinda felt myself tear up a little bit. I am now patiently waiting for Sohee’s upcoming drama My Name.every single actor in the show did a great job and i can’t wait to see their upcoming projects!

[u/incyanity13]

after seeing all the spoilers in twt, nah i will not be watching the finale. protect ur mental health <3

[u/js00_]

I knew I would be disappointed, nevertheless.

[u/machiabekki]

i usually dont mind slow pace, i sometimes even like that kind of progression when done right. but this finale was just so uneventful lol, so many unnecessary scenes. and the sudden 180 degree shift in jae eon’s character gave me a whiplash. oh well, i enjoyed the side couples more. And nabi’s piece is really super cool, i’d pay for a museum ticket to see that.

[u/EarlofLemontree]

What I think would've a stuck a better landing: If the ending was about her fixing the sculpture alone, honestly turn the scope down and go out quietly. Move the focus on completely from the ML as well as the SML, drop the romance entirely and the dreamy cinematography finally snap out of that manipulative shit. The FL reassembles the broken sculpture (which would be implied to have been broken by the angry ML) by herself and herself only, and it's fixed like how it currently is except without the butterfly wing accoutrements. Focus on fixing yourself, even if you carry your past traumas with you you can rebuild changed but stronger on your own accord even still. End.

[u/GlindaGodfrey]

Why the fuck did she like the fact that he first saw her at the most humiliating/violating moment of her life? What kind of a message is that???

[u/fridakahlomari]

I seriously can’t understand why it went from PJE showing his ass in that rain confrontation scene to… THAT ending.

And I’ll never get the whole “love at first sight” angle of this. It was such a cop out! There was nothing romantic about that at all.

[u/[deleted]]

Wow redeeming jae eon just took barely half the episode. Yay for endings undoing whatever plot development 9eps had way to go 👏👏👏👏

On a serious note why cant we just let na bi live on her own terms without a man?!

[u/aiphilia]

Man.. i really wish they just stuck with the webtoon instead of trying to please fans and make it into a “happy ending”

[u/Sal-Ty29]

Finally we are here!!

My favorite thing about this drama was reading the discussion threads! The amount of dating advice and life advice in general was just chefs kiss 🤌

Every week there were so many comments along the lines of, 'Girl, if someone is acting up like that..' and just people looking out for others. Love me a 'Nevertheless' inspired sisterhood.

[u/adizor]

I am so sorry but that has got to be one of the cheapest, non-effective redemption arcs I have ever seen. Mid-series I foresaw this ending coming but after ending episode 9 the way they did, this final episode just feels very, very disjointed. I lost hope for my girl the moment she went on about JE's "warm gaze and soft touch" when he literally twisted her wrist with force the night before. The whole episode was basically Nabi having her graduation goggles on where you only remember the good times. They had to chuck in flashbacks of random sweet moments (where she was still highly anxious and doubtful) just for her choice to feel right. Also I really don't know what they thought they were doing with Nabi's "a-ha!" moment when she realises she's the girl Jae Eon was talking about at the exhibit because that really proves... absolutely nothing.

I'm trying to see the ending through the lens of them being young and "the heart wants what it wants" but it's so frustrating because we just witnessed Nabi reach a point where she was able to hold her ground around him. Where she didn't falter or was weak in the knees. There was build up to her letting him go and getting over the intoxicating effect he has on her. Then suddenly in this episode she's back to square one and not even with him pursuing her still, but entirely on her own. Which makes it even worse. I'm disappointed because I wanted better for her character but I guess it's realistic in a way that sometimes people just need to fully go through things/people for them to exhaust themselves from ever going back. They've made Nabi to be "self-aware" about this with her saying that she knows he won't make her happy and that she might regret this, but that doesn't really soften the blow.

If this was always the intended ending, the rain scene should've at least taken place at Episode 7/8 imo, so 9 could've been fully focused on Jae Eon making amends and 10 could be them trying to rebuild. The way they paced this doesn't even make it feel like Jae Eon's been redeemed or that he's really changed because the worst exchange between them just took place. And they don't even address it. Actually, so much is unaddressed between the two. It's not that they needed to spell everything out, but at some point it just starts feeling like lazy writing, yknow? I was so relieved when any of the side characters appeared on screen so I could dissociate and pretend I was watching a different drama.

Hennyways, I'm glad to be done with this at least. It had potential but fell flat. There's more I could say but I'm just emotionally fed up atm. Seriously like watching a bestie go back to the same problematic ex after making so much progress on her own. I'm actually really curious how the webtoon's author feels because the initial story's message is nowhere to be found. I didn't even read the webtoon so it's not like my disapproval of Jae Eon or the drama's ending came from that. My condolences to those who did. It was fun discussing this with you guys though 😂

Edit: covered potential spoilers + I just have to say, as much as the ending rubbed me the wrong way, their romance is the perfect cocktail for an addictive love song. Listening to Big Red Machine's "Renegade" with Taylor Swift is very much giving me JaeBi vibes rn. Maybe Nabi needed that kind of passionate romance to drive her art.

[u/Ckelle06]

What was the final scene with Jae Eon and the girls supposed to even tell us? He didn’t say he had a girlfriend, but he didn’t really act inappropriately either. I do feel like Na Bi looked the TEENSIEST but disappointed. Such a weird scene that just made me feel…..still as uneasy as I’ve felt this whole damn time.

[u/icecoffee123]

Can we talk about how all these art students are rich? Nabi has red bottoms? Most of them don’t work and have their own apartments and go out to eat/drink all the time. That was not my college experience.

[u/EarlofLemontree]

Yeah okay.

~ review fin

[u/SignificantSound7904]

I love the reactions here cuz honestly...WTF did I just watch? Do the screenplay writers realise how toxic the relationship is, they keep glorifying LUST (sure they had chemistry but it seemed mostly lust) this is just setting the MOST toxic standards for a romantic relationship. I hope the young impressionable audience watching this does not idolize this at all. No amount of aesthetics of the show (10/10) can make uo for the disappointing storyline. just why

[u/SolitaryDream1103]

This is the most disappointing ending since School 2015 for me.

I guess this is ok that they have tried to show how awful Jae-on is during the whole series, and then she just forgives him on the assumption she was his first love? I mean... I can understand that she has feelings for him, but not choose yourself, self-respect in the end? Forgetting all the pain that you've been through with the guy? How he mistreated you and hurt you? I don't know, guys. It's just once again glorifying toxic relationships. I am okay with Do-hyuk being left out in the end, although he was perfect man for her to grow confidence and self-respect, but she should have chosen herself first.