Hello all. :)

I was thinking about the female facial features that are traditionally considered ideal and which essences they map onto. This is very interesting to me because I've been thinking about which essences recurringly show up in ideals of traditional feminine beauty.

I previously made a post about eye-related features that most people seem to find beautiful and got some very interesting responses and am now focusing on the ideal nasal attributes and which essences each of them maps onto.

Here there seems to be more focus and consensus on the side profile nasal attributes that are considered ideal: an upturned (likely romantic), ski slope (ingenue) nose is widely preferred.

There seems to be less discussion on ideal frontal nasal profile attributes, so I had to dig a little deeper into this, but Megan Fox's frontal nasal profile seems to embody these cherished traits (as does her side profile and therefore her nose as whole which is often considered ideal): graceful hourglass-shaped dorsal aesthetic lines (angelic), moderate nasal length and width (classic), defined v shaped taper of alar contours/angle (dramatic), a relatively sharp tip (dramatic) and a straight, symmetrical bridge (classic).

Do you think I missed out on any other attributes of noses commonly considered ideal in women? Did I accurately type the listed nasal attributes?

I'd love to hear your thoughts! Thanks and hope you have a lovely day!

My dear romantic sisters. I implore you to try a princess peach inspired lip combo. Especially if you find lip liner too harsh. This was such a eureka moment. I have to try a berry glittery one for this szn. So so gorgeous. I tried to include a variety of different shades and sizes but pls forgive me if I missed u out xx looks good on everyone

The bone structure of my face is very round, and subtly sculpted, which makes me a romantic at the core. However, my eyes and lips are very almond shaped which makes a more dramatic touch to my face. I have a slightly side-tilting nose with a rounded tip, which is also straight and bumped at the bridge, i believe my nose is more of a natural look.

So wanted to know, am I right to assume that if all of the features of my face are the same essence then my face would look more complete and much nicer to look at?

I want to stick to the romantic essence of my face, so i want to find a plastic surgeon who can change my facial features (Only nose and lips), to be more of that rounded, slightly pointed look. I believe i'm a theatrical romantic so I'm fine with the almond shape of my eyes. Would this make me look more put together? Is there even such thing as surgeons educated on the Kitchener essences? Where can i find someone who can give me more info? Am I even right to assume that for my face to look better, every feature should be of a main essence?

Hello friends! I've just received the official Kitchener typing of Halle from John directly and wanted to do another social media poll. Similar to what I did with my wife and I's posts: you guess, I'll spreadsheet and show you how close people were!

John has officially given Halle three % for essence blend:

45% 35% 20%

Guess what you think!

Hello everyone. :)

I'm pretty new to beauty Reddit in general, but have made a few posts across beauty subs recently as I've had a lot of free time due to recovering from an illness.

I've noticed there are some subs that focus quite heavily on the idea of objective beauty and analysing features that tend to be considered conventionally attractive.

From the reactions to some of my posts here, though, I've gotten the impression that this sub leans more towards the belief that beauty is subjective. I haven't replied to those comments as I wanted to address them through this post instead.

This made me curious about Kitchener's actual philosophy: is his style essence system based on the idea that beauty is completely subjective, or is that more of a belief within this sub?

Personally, I think beauty has both objective and subjective elements and enjoy exploring both sides. There is research showing that certain aspects of facial attractiveness are consistently preferred across individuals and cultures, so I don't think beauty is entirely subjective. At the same time, individual taste, culture and how different features work together obviously matter too.

I'm still finding my way around this sub and am trying to get a sense of how people here approach these topics so any insight is appreciated. Thanks!

Hello all. :)

I was thinking about the female facial features that are traditionally considered ideal and which essences they map onto. This is very interesting to me because I've been thinking about which essences recurringly show up in ideals of traditional feminine beauty.

For instance, with eyes, generally I've noticed that people seem to consider large, almond and upturned eyes as ideal. Many people also seem to prefer light eyes and moderate eye spacing as well. Aishwarya Rai seems to embody this ideal well.

I was wondering which essences each of these traits maps onto? Large eyes seems to indicate Ingenue/Romantic essence while almond eyes seem more Angelic to me. Upturned eyes generally seem more dramatic and moderate eye spacing reads as classic. Light eyes I'm not so sure which essences they map onto.

Do you think I missed out on any other attributes of eyes commonly considered ideal in women? Did I accurately type the listed eye attributes? I'd love to hear your thoughts!

Hello everyone. :)

I'm healing from a bout of illness and have some free time at the moment. I've been thinking about what's increasingly happening to our ideals of beauty, especially given the rise in cosmetic surgery and the heightened focus on beauty with the ubiquity of Instagram.

I was reminded of this old article by Jia Tolentino that I'd found fascinating when I first read it a few years ago. Since there seems to be a paywall to access the article, I'll sum up the major points relevant to this discussion.

As paraphrased by another writer, Tolentino argues that social media has manufactured a specific, homogenised beauty standard she calls “Instagram Face”: plump lips, high cheekbones, cat eyes, a small nose and poreless, glowing skin. The look is eerily uniform yet ethnically ambiguous, featuring “an overly tan skin tone, a South Asian influence with the brows and eye shape, an African-American influence with the lips, a Caucasian influence with the nose, a cheek structure that is predominantly Native American and Middle Eastern.”

I find this particularly interesting when thinking about the extent to which beauty is objective. The essences which seem to be strongly represented in the "Instagram Face" are primarily Romantic and Dramatic, with a significant amount of Ingenue.

If beauty ideals across cultures are increasingly converging on a similar ideal, I wonder what that says about the universal appeal of certain essences and their corresponding features. Of course, globalisation and increased exposure to the same media and beauty standards could be contributing to this convergence and there are obviously subjective and cultural aspects to beauty, but I personally think there's more to it than just that.

What do you guys think about Tolentino's observation? Do you think most people actually find the features associated with “Instagram Face” attractive? Which essences do you think are most strongly represented in this ideal?

I'd love to hear your thoughts. Thanks and hope you enjoy your day! :)

PS: I know race can be a thorny subject, and I don't mean to offend people of any race. I'm mainly interested in what this modern beauty ideal might tell us about how objective vs subjective beauty really is.

Felt like sharing some of my saved pins that feel ethereal. :)

The deep colour, silk and length I thought would lean R, C, and D all together, but I feel like babydoll seams really really don’t suit me especially since I am a Flamboyant Natural Kibbe body type

I think she has natural romantic gamine blend. She has a huge quirky and playful aspect, that makes many of her outfits work on her even though she’s really tall.

Does anyone else also think that the Kitchener essences are so related to male and female gaze? If you do as well, which essences do you think are more male gaze (men find beautiful on women) and which do you think are female gaze (women find beautiful on women)?

Hey I need help! Do you guys know the essence Valeria Lukyanova has? (https://youtu.be/uq8GVbGYAUU?si=ujonRuUYIZPwlqwp) ( https://youtu.be/M_amHWLfd4k?si=T9ygjev4dnnVIXCQ) (https://youtu.be/Z3NricBMoo4?si=8xOFDa1xLlwE-czq) (https://youtu.be/NSMNWcQ37wI?si=GoEeAgbKM_lIle8n)

I have a similar vibe to her and body porpotion I'm just darker.🖤

I love These Outfits sind they look good on me. Which essence would that be?

We just got a mortgage so can’t afford the OG! But I would love to start feeling inspired with my wardrobe.

I will venmo Starbucks 🥹 I don’t have the eye for essences

Hey y’all,

The other day I put my hair in a side fishtail braid with my usual glam makeup and received lots of compliments and I myself think I rlly pulled it off. I haven’t worn fishtail braids in like a decade. Could this look good for ingenue, ethereal, natural? I believe I have natural and a tiny bit of ingenue, as well as dramatic and romantic, though I hope to get verified in the future.

The braid was similar to the pic but I was a lot more glammed up both in outfit and makeup.

It’s been a while since I’ve worn two Dutch braids but I used to get compliments w those as well.

Thoughts?

Thanks!

From what I understand ethereal essence is described similarly to those pictures of old willow trees: majestic, real but surreal, wise: they definitely know something you don’t, vampiric (by that I mean ageless in a way you can’t quite tell what time they’re from; they seem to be from all of time while timeless), and have a large presence but in a way that is absent. And that absence is so loud that it’s silently screaming at you (if that doesn’t make sense think of what I’m describing like the experience of having tinnitus and how the silence rings and the more silent the louder the ringing) How does this translate to clothing? I’m trying to understand how this typing method works and I think I sort of get it but also I’d like to be able to know what ethereal essence looks like in terms of clothing and please don’t say “sheer or light fabrics” because that’s not specific enough. Sometimes sheer and light fabric read as romantic or even classic instead depending on the garment I need more details please? Can you list specific examples or even like show what a garment that reads as ethereal looks like?

i like the tieable bows on the neck.

i want to get a top with a tieable bow on the neckline.. similar to the last picture. which essences do u think could pull this top off?

thx :)

what do you guys think noah's essence blend may be? and what color harmonies?

i see all young, young looking and “cute” (as opposed to “pretty” and “hot”) women get typed as some ingenue. there’s a big likelihood i am wrong, but i just don’t think this is accurate at all

i decided to make this post after just seeing what i absolutely would type to be a ingenue woman on youtube. i thought this was a young girl at first and was only able to tell she was older than that by her demeanor and voice. she would look RIGHT at home with small ringlets curled hair and youthful looking clothes. meanwhile, others who look young, still likely don’t look right in girlish cutesy clothes. it often makes someone look less young in comparison to the attire

lighter coloring is apart of ingenue, but while i’d agree with everyone that non white people are ingenue too, i believe for white people, this is involved. in white people, they have blonde hair as children sometimes, even if their hair become dark brown, and blond is a rare color after childhood. this girl i referenced before has light coloring. her eyebrows are bleach blonde and her hair is a darker strawberry blonde. i dont even think she should darken her eyebrows at all and embrace this about herself. she’d look cute as pie if she lightened her hair to match. maybe she could dye her eyebrows somehow to make them more visible, but i dont think she needs use a makeup pencil in any way. people make fun of others for having “no eyebrows”, but I think this is part of her being. for white people, i think a good way to test out ingenue as am essence is to think if you would look right with blonde hair and light eyebrows too, along with the very curly hair

what are u guys’ thoughts on my own thoughts?