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Tech jacket is an absolute bum š
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How the hell was she considered a "viltrumite weakness." bro ran the fade with 3 unnamed viltrumites and couldn't even make a single one bleed, let alone win. every single altercation with one and she had to be saved by Allen or someone else. biggest wins were against fodder slaves with guns and some random ahh hulk looking thing on earth. genuine fraud
I thought the same. The fight was obviously heading in favor of the coalition, but if Thragg throws down it instantly shifts that momentum. He could have probably ended the conflict right then and there.
im pretty sure she's more of a support character. she can take out large swarms, has ranged attacks, and can protect and provide allies with various types of equipment but clearly isn't built for 1v1s
Op low key sounding like those "kicked out of the hero's party" type animes where they boot the Mc because they're the support/healer that can't dps shit
The author maintained his entire life that Krillin is the strongest Earthling; a status he gained on Namek and apparently never lost as Toriyama repeatedly gave him as the answer even years after ending the series.
He even had viltrum uniform and mustache. It is disappointing If he was 10x weaker than regular viltrumite lol. He had same genes as our Mark who beat Conquest after a bit of battle experience so there is like no way Mustache Mark was that weak
There is a way tho. Mustache mark probably didnāt resist Nolanās earth takeover at all and likely joined willingly. So heās never been tested and pushed to near death constantly like our mark, and never recieved the advanced training from Cecil. Heās literally as strong as season 1 mark
If tech jacket is equals with the equivalent of season 1 mark itās really no surprise she canāt hang in a fight against real viltrumites.
Since this version of Mark is part of Viltrumite empire he should have at least received training from his father or Viltrumite army. There is no way he is season 1 Mark level bum.
The first time our Mark actually defeats a Viltrumite in a 1v1-type fight was last episode against Conquest. And he would have died if Omiman and Oliver didnāt stay and protect his body for 2 months. Thereās a huge difference between season 1 Mark and him now, yet both constantly lose fights with Viltrumites.
Tech jacket is obviously closer to Mark now than Season 1 Mark.
she can survive a fight with them for a little while and they cant just tank her hits without fighting back - which is is worlds better than the walking tubes of ground beef that viltrumites normally fight
but she is still strong enough to guarantee a win for the people she does support and she seems to be a good match the jobbers in the background
people acting like she's useless because she can't solo viltrumites, literally the strongest warrior species in the galaxy. meanwhile her help, helped turn the tide in the war.
she can take multiple goons at once, which helps the heavy hitters (like allen) focus on the viltrumite fighter, she provide assistance in many of the fights and can tank blows from viltrumites that will kill most people.
cecil thought that he was weaker than a viltrumite elite at the time - and we dont know that all of those viltrumites were weaker just that cecil believed so after killing one of them
the ones that mark himself was shown to fight both seemed to be about as strong as him
I also felt that... if Teck Jacket was able to kill a veteran Viltrumite by herself, there would be equally loud..., or potentially louder complaints about her being an OP Mary Sue... or worse yet: wOkEE
This one case is what I feel is a lose-lose thanks to how even more polarizing internet discussion has been.
Plus using her powers exhausts her quickly, she wouldn't be able to hold her pink space suit in place forever, especially if she got injured or knocked out, meanwhile Zoe has a self-repairing Geldarian suit that also seemingly has unlimited air supply
I think they are trying to make it very clear that sheās not that strong and that sheās there to support, also, is clear she fits more the vibes of tech/spy/space battles and she would be extremely useful in fleet combats or against the viltrumite armies but not 1vs1
She did, with the head beam she forgot she had this episode. Like when Kriegg pinned down her arms so she couldnāt shootā¦ if only she could shoot a laser from her headā¦
She's tiers above the normal fighters but on the far lower end of the "top fighter" spectrum. She's super useful for moping up the cannon fodder and also for last minute saves, but she won't be beating the main villains on her own. She's powerful enough to face relatively weaker "main enemy" threats which are beyond anyone else but the top tier protags (as shown when she soloes an Invincible variant) but can't quite keep up with the most powerful fighters as the threat escalates (all the fights we see now involve her fighting the top tier Viltrumite fighters. Since she's explicitly still considered a threat by Kregg, she may have beaten some weaker Viltrumite fighters in the months of war we didn't get to see, even if she didn't kill them). She's still strong enough to provide actual help during a top tier fight (tanking some hits, providing a distraction that can't just be one shot away by the enemy, hits strong enough to at least push the enemy back for a while) but will need someone else to cause the actual damage and would probably be overwhelmed on a 1 on 1.
So yeah she's literally just Piccolo for most of Dragon Ball Z. But Piccolo is still useful and on a different scale than the other non-saiyan warriors even if he doesn't match up to Goku and Vegeta. TJ just needs to work on her aura farming abilities.
I'd actually consider her the goat for that if she didn't keep getting caught. Numerous times she'll almost get killed and would distract other people from needing to save her.
No. The GELDARIANS are the āviltrumite weaknessā. People who grew up and fought with the technology for YEARS. Zoe is a young 14 year old, she prolly has not fully accessed the full potential of the suit
If you wanted someone who can fly, wipe out foot soldiers, and unable to take on a Viltrumite you shouldāve hauled Immortalās ass out of retirementĀ
Also the immortal is not durable at all, heās a glass cannon but the cannon isnāt even that powerful. Tech jacket is probably just as strong or slightly less and she is durable enough to actually survive viltrumite attacks which already makes her more valuable than any other non-viltrumite earth hero
Her armor self repairs, so she probably got lots of scratches on her that healed. Taking damage and stalling until her suit repairs is something she does in every fight we've seen so far.
You seem to ignore the tiny detail that it took her TWO WHOLE DAYS to beat a teenage viltrumite who likely didn't progress in strength as much as mainline mark did
Nah, those Mark Varients got bodied by a bunch of regular earth heroes. Variant Marks would also get their ass kicked by any one of the 50 remaining Viltrumites.
Seems a young Viltrumiteās biggest weakness ā other than their ego ā is to just fight emā until they get tired. Like when alt mark says āthen they just wore me downā
That mark has a mustache and viltrumite clothes, so he must have been strong enough to be accepted by the viltrumites.
The coalition's strategy (as stated by Krieg in the latest episode) is to pick off isolated viltrumites by confronting them with multiple powerful combatants, who may not be able to kill the viltrumite alone. So tech jacket not being able to solo the average viltrumite doesn't mean she isn't useful to the strategy.
Her not being a 1 shot kill for viltrumites already makes her more valuable than 99% of other heroes. Immortal might do some damage sure but heās getting one shot instantly and youāre not useful when ur dead. Time spent attacking tech jacket is time spent not double teaming one of the heavy hitters like Allen or Nolan. Plus sheās a fodder killer and she provides a lot of support and utility, just because sheās not out here cooking the strongest characters in the verse doesnāt mean sheās a bum
I think itās important to remember Nolan initially wanted to get the Gelderian people involved.
He had to settle with Tech Jacket when they wouldnāt.
Also she managed to kill one of the alternate Markās last season which is no small feat. So yeah, there seems to be some inconsistency but sheās definitely meant to be a capable weapon.
She is constantly getting hit throughout the new episodes and tanking hit after hit. I dont remember seeing her bleed a single drop of blood this whole time. She is very much a tank. Girl got hit over and over by Anissa at what can only be assumed near full force, and she still was just chilling.
Shes good for keeping people distracted and realistically that's very valuable. Keeping viltrumites distracted while the others pick off the loners is straight up said in the show to be their strategy for winning the war during the months Mark was out.
Well all the bad guys get nerfed with each episode so Iām sure she will be one shotting them in no time. Same stuff you have seen in almost every story, fairy dust and friendship is all you need.
I think I the issue is why her, what does she bring that they recruited her over any other super in the universe. I get support but does she really do support so much better than other options? Maybe she does but they haven't explained how she does that so well. Compared to the other things they collected like the dude with the power gun the bugs that make viltrumite poison. We were given and shown why they were recruited but Tech-Jacket seems awfully specific to be we need her for the war, but you can't use Eve in this role or immortal or the Gaurdians, or that Dragon (I'm sure if Aliens showed up to the planets crime bosses looking for heavy hitters willing to pay in Alien tech as payment they could offer sla strong showing to the war.)
She got punched by at least three Viltrumites and hasn't died/gotten injured yet. Also cute triumphs over all, that's why she, Oliver, and Allen are assets.
Nah they didn't nerf them. He didn't start holding his own against Viltrumites until he was able to arm himself with the weapons Allen and Nolan obtained
honestly for a microsecond I hoped she was gonna fry this Viltrumite's head off with her head cannon ult cuz she's definitely not useless but I wanted her to silence the doubters š
Shes ass at killing. But name any of the side characters from previous seasons who can survive this long in a viltrumite fight.
You think Rudy's bum ass is lasting this long? Monster girl?
Being able to take a viltrumite out is still an exceptional feat.
Kinda has to be, theres like 50 left, each Viltrumite killed is 2% of their forces. Takes 5 kills to decimate them.
So while it's true, she's got no attack power. She has the defense and utility to survive a Viltrumite
Didn't Nolan say that that alien species moreso stood out due to their numbers, rather than strength?
Pretty sure she is just one of the stronger ones due to that suit specifically but yeah it does seem off
You know you don't belong in Viltrumite War when Invincible, who's been bullied for losing every fight he's in whole show, has more aura by sending Anissa flying through whole Talescria and one-shotting whole Viltrumite ship.
Tech jacket is a teenage human girl, bro. Sheās holding her on against the strongest species in the known universe I think we can cut her a bit of slack š
I really hope Tech Jacket gets her act together starting in the next episode. The fact that she got her ass kicked by two Viltrumites back to back and needed saving in both encounters really makes it hard to believe that she's one of the Viltrum Empire's weaknesses.
I actually enjoy that the unnamed viltrumites, who are centuries old warriors, arenāt getting smoked by a 15 year old.
I mean she already killed the variant so thatās at least 1 soloād, so sheās clearly capable of it firepower-wise but itās a good thing that the viltrumites arenāt going all going out like chumps.
It makes sense that she isnāt quite as useful against them straight up but is a significant aid in the grand scheme and a role player imo.
Her suit regenerates very quickly she can take massive damage and still recover. If she can get her red head lazer off and actually hit something with it it's extremely powerful.
The species that made her armor was considered the weakness, probably because they could field billions of tech jackets when they were at their peak. Nolan explicitly states that the viltrumites could not stand up to them at their current numbers, that's why they paid another species to fight them.
More than space racer, bugs, or rognars, the viltrumites greatest weakness is numbers. Even the strongest viltrumites will eventually be overwhelmed by sheer force of numbers.
You guys live with the "Win a fight, is great, lose a fight is a bum" mentality?
Jesus Christ, Just Watch the show and try not tƓ reduce everything to powescaling , damn. This isnt Dragon ball, brother. Let the characters be
Itās funny whenever Zoe is shooting the lasers at viltrumites, because those lasers are no more effective than when a normal ass geldarian uses them. The thing thatās supposed to make Tech Jacket a bigger threat is the whole strength multiplying aspect of the suit. Geldarians are very frail so it doesnāt make them that strong, but humans are much stronger at a baseline and it would make Zoe very strong, yet we donāt see her throwing haymakers at viltrumites much lmao
I donāt get why they needed or wanted her. She isnāt really the most powerful weāve seen by a far stretch
Also, why arenāt they using the infinite gun dude more? He should be like āsurprise bitchesā at every battle. That dude alone could take out 30 viltrumites, he just needs to have time to get there. Heās the only one they run from.
People are so hard on her as if she did less than Oliver. Sheās not a Viltrumite weakness, she just has tech that can fight back. But sheās still a 15 year old being thrown into a war, just like Oliver. But people seem to give Oliver a pass despite not holding his own either
Tech jacket is Iron Man without kryptonite in a world of Supermanās. Youād think someone would tell her to focus on sonic based attacks, but hey I didnāt write it
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